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 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
TS, why is it such a problem now? I had Tau allies in CoF 1. I'm sure we've had this discussion before. I have an explanation that works, so accept it, deal with it, and move on with your life.

I don't remember your Tau buddies in CoF1, but as GM, I am going to say that without solid and reasonable fluff behind it, there will be no Tau and Necron super friends apart from a shady back alley deal for a one time thing.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Not everyone wants to bargain like it, I wouldn't non combattants like that in a warzone and not expect them to be shot at. Especially considering how insane the enemy is, more often than not.

You are coming dangerously close to telling me how to take part, which to be honest isn't feeling great. I'm having to defend wanting to write the way I do.
In CoF 1 I specifically asked if a political entity was okay before even writing my character list, and Smudge said yes. I would have accepted no and rejigged. I wasn't avoiding fighting, I was playing to my strength and weakness that I write very slowly and enjoy dialogue.

CoF is a group writing project and part of that is I felt, cooperation and respect. I'm not about to walk up to the Orks and expect them to ignore me, but likewise I don't believe anyone here is going to go out of their way to gak on my guys sitting in the woods, if I say "hey, I'm writing about a dig site today, so please give me a bit of time to finish if anyone needs to pass through?"
It's 40K but it's not a *game* of 40K. If I'm wrong in expecting people to accommodate a neutral/buyable force, then I apologise sincerely. But neither TS nor chazz have said it's not okay.

I am not saying do it one way or the other, just that you can't expect everyone to accomodate you, especially if you show up where combat is highly probable.

If it comes to it. My wolves could alliy and provide back up security. Add knights, we could secure the admech camp/rougue trader taxi base.

Tammy, why are you still hounding Kharne about his democratic necrons? They changed the fluff literally years ago. Democratic necrons are canon.

Nicely done 2BJ1.

Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
TS, why is it such a problem now? I had Tau allies in CoF 1. I'm sure we've had this discussion before. I have an explanation that works, so accept it, deal with it, and move on with your life.

I don't remember your Tau buddies in CoF1, but as GM, I am going to say that without solid and reasonable fluff behind it, there will be no Tau and Necron super friends apart from a shady back alley deal for a one time thing.

I mentioned them every time I tried to supercharge the power core. There is solid and reasonable fluff behind it, I'm bringing them in.

Tainted wrote:Tammy, why are you still hounding Kharne about his democratic necrons? They changed the fluff literally years ago. Democratic necrons are canon.

Thank you Tainted

Thanks, it has some positive characters, Isos being a realist and a little optimistic, and Detta feeling bad about the whole mess but trying to put a positive spin on it.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I am not saying do it one way or the other, just that you can't expect everyone to accomodate you, especially if you show up where combat is highly probable.

I am not going to walk through combat and expect to be ignored, or anything so brazen. :(

And I ask: Why? There are what, max two dozen writers at peak timing and a discussion topic. Why can't I expect others to respect or at least acknowledge a polite request of "Please give me time to quickly move out of the way if you wanna go where I am?"
Bear in mind TS on the previous page described my Admech as easily ignored, and I will openly agree that they aren't counting as holding territory when they explore it.
If someone says "I want to go there because it's a base." then I'd move. If someone says "I want to go there because I want to shoot you." then that's absolutely fair and I wouldn't bail (though I may roll to hide).

And they aren't really unguarded. Blackjack's Kroot are starting with them and my base is not a moving force, but it's literally more effort than it's worth trying to get into it.
When the Kroot want to do something else, I have other solutions.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I am not saying do it one way or the other, just that you can't expect everyone to accomodate you, especially if you show up where combat is highly probable.

I am not going to walk through combat and expect to be ignored, or anything so brazen. :(

And I ask: Why? There are what, max two dozen writers at peak timing and a discussion topic. Why can't I expect others to respect or at least acknowledge a polite request of "Please give me time to quickly move out of the way if you wanna go where I am?"
Bear in mind TS on the previous page described my Admech as easily ignored, and I will openly agree that they aren't counting as holding territory when they explore it.
If someone says "I want to go there because it's a base." then I'd move. If someone says "I want to go there because I want to shoot you." then that's absolutely fair and I wouldn't bail (though I may roll to hide).

And they aren't really unguarded. Blackjack's Kroot are starting with them and my base is not a moving force, but it's literally more effort than it's worth trying to get into it.
When the Kroot want to do something else, I have other solutions.

Plus I may station one of my Knights to help protect you if you were fine with that.

The Kroot will probably spend a lot of time sitting back, wrapped up to their necks in furs, and wait for a passing walrus or something. If you want to send a few planes or something at them, fine, just try to crash land somewhere convenient so I can get at the pilots, please?

I think I'd wait to see what the plot is.

I think there's likely gonna be better use of your Knights than that.

Well BC, I'm sure I can manage to ignore you, if you ignore me combat wise. :-)

Well, I see that TS has labeled himself as misc Chaos. So, he'll roll for how well the trees can throw apples at Dorothy?

Out of curiosity, what would happen in the event that two forces controlled by the same player were to come into conflict? For example, if the EC were to bump into the AdMech, would Buttery have to make a roll for each faction, or would the controlling player get to decide which side came off worse?

I assume he would have to roll for each side. What's more curious is what happens if both sides get a critical success or failure. I'm assuming the defending force would win in a tie? I never did anything with my Histans against Archarus, or vice versa, so I don't have any firsthand experience with it.

 Tainted wrote:
Out of curiosity, what would happen in the event that two forces controlled by the same player were to come into conflict? For example, if the EC were to bump into the AdMech, would Buttery have to make a roll for each faction, or would the controlling player get to decide which side came off worse?

I think one would have to examine and breakdown the motivation of the two sides in the encounter.

In that example, EC are there to fight and prive themselves primarily. So Admech are not on their radar. Then are the Admech impeding a second objective? Likewise will the EC obstruct their goal?
Then roll to see who gets first say over the thing they both want.

I suppose I should write up something for my orks, eh?

Might be a good time to do that yes.

Kinda getting tired of checking in on this thread only to read more people arguing with each other. Could someone just shoot me a PM once CoF1 settles down and we get the green light for Round 2?

At this point I think COF 2 just needs to start. Some people here seem to be going stir crazy whilst they are waiting

 War Kitten wrote:
At this point I think COF 2 just needs to start. Some people here seem to be going stir crazy whilst they are waiting

That kinda sucks for me, to be honest.
I'm not at home to get my ending up. Guess I can just hold back on joining 2. It's not like everyone has to turn up at the same time anyway, though.

(So much for not rushing the after party. :p )

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
At this point I think COF 2 just needs to start. Some people here seem to be going stir crazy whilst they are waiting

That kinda sucks for me, to be honest.
I'm not at home to get my ending up. Guess I can just hold back on joining 2. It's not like everyone has to turn up at the same time anyway, though.

(So much for not rushing the after party. :p )

I get that it sucks for you, but right now Kharne and TS are at each other's throats, and it would probably be best if Chazz put up the new thread so people could have something to focus on other than arguing

Ouch man, ouch.

TheEyeOfNight wrote:Kinda getting tired of checking in on this thread only to read more people arguing with each other. Could someone just shoot me a PM once CoF1 settles down and we get the green light for Round 2?

I'll PM EoN

War Kitten wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
At this point I think COF 2 just needs to start. Some people here seem to be going stir crazy whilst they are waiting

That kinda sucks for me, to be honest.
I'm not at home to get my ending up. Guess I can just hold back on joining 2. It's not like everyone has to turn up at the same time anyway, though.

(So much for not rushing the after party. :p )

I get that it sucks for you, but right now Kharne and TS are at each other's throats, and it would probably be best if Chazz put up the new thread so people could have something to focus on other than arguing

I mean, there wouldn't be a problem but TS feels the need to question anything and everything I do. I see no one else getting that level of scrutiny and I'm not the only one that has fun wacky ideas.

I'm not sure how much starting the crusade early will fix it. There was still arguing during CoF 1, the only thing that happened now is that it has became more noticeable without another crusade to look at.

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
I'm not sure how much starting the crusade early will fix it. There was still arguing during CoF 1, the only thing that happened now is that it has became more noticeable without another crusade to look at.

I agree

Fair enough I suppose. I just agree with EON that it wears on the nerves a bit to see people constantly arguing

WK, that's possibly because you aren't on the receiving end of having your ideas criticised..?

I'm not saying Kharne's taucron is canon, or credible, but I can understand him feeling hurt that fluff he created is shot down pretty much daily at this point. I'm guilty of teasing him too, I won't pretend I'm not.

And in my case, I just felt myself having to justify how I write. .. I dunno, it made me feel sad. I don't have big words at this time of night. I was a peripheral writer for CoF due to my approach and limited 40K knowledge (I had fun, but I was very aware that I was basically not in anyone else's league), and starting out CoF2 by feeling I'm not fitting in has made me sad and uncomfortable. I don't want to get in the way of people by being offbeat. That wasn't my goal at all.

My RT piece aside, I think it's respectful to at least wait for Blackjack, as waiting for 3/4 of the end pieces but saying "enough now" doesn't sit comfortably with me.

I wasn't saying that we should rush, just that it's frustrating to see the arguing day in day out. And you're right, none of my ideas have been criticized, so maybe I just don't get it.