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Super shard Japanese blades would not be so effective vs European knight in full armour. A broadsword was heavy, thick and solid to id not penetrate but still break bones, impact damage and such.

Plus later armour was easily bow proof, rarely pistol proof or early fire arms and hard to penetrate without a weapon designed to do job.

Alot of armour of Japan used lower levels of steel, wood, leather, etc which vs a broadsword impact would do not much. Japan had less experience or need of weapons to take down a steel clad knight.

Also the hand and a half sword also popular as easy to use one ir two handed has some weight to it and two handed would still hit hard.

Sword to sword, Europe wins as its just thicker, heavier and stronger Than a lighter Japanese blade.

I fail to see how having a lighter weapon is a downside. A samurai would easily outmaneuver a armour-clad knight with almost 50 kilo's of extra weight on him,

Yeah but that armour renders Tha attacker having a hard task inflicting a serious wound.

Impact force, if you canny pen the armour, the hevy impact shocks the wearer/does damage. A light weapon just hits armour and does nor do same secondary damage.

Also contary to some myth, knights where stong and fit as hell, training from a young age on good diets. Not weak guys and in well designed armour the impact on movement was not as bad as it could be. Not so lumbering tanks.

I would still assume the samurai would be light enough to dodge. And no matter how well trained a knight is, he still would not be able to move freely. The samurai would also then stab the weak unarmoured points in the back of knees etc. So the knight would bleed out as the samurai danced infront of him.

Ahem.

Perhaps we could keep discussions about medieval warfare limited to a minimum in this thread?

 Ezra Tyrius wrote:
Ahem.

Perhaps we could keep discussions about medieval warfare limited to a minimum in this thread?

Oky Ezra-san...

Now, if we pin an unpowered Katana vs an Astartes in full power armour, Astartes wins. Even if you hit the Astartes in the joint, I am sure his bones are going to stop the sword.

Vanden... that it... probably the funniest thing I have ever seen...

That fething thunderh- Thundershark

Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

EDIT: If we need more Guard I can bring in the Redeemer's

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

How, exactly? There's, like, one thing in the entirety of existence that the Eldar hate more than the Necrons, and that's Slaanesh.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
I fail to see how having a lighter weapon is a downside.

Easier to push away, less strenght behind the blow, I've seen people complain about weapons being too light, and the katana is almost the smae weight as a longsword, but far shorter, the blade is thicker on the back, stiffer, too.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
A samurai would easily outmaneuver a armour-clad knight with almost 50 kilo's of extra weight on him,

Try about 30 kilos, actually, the tournament armors were the ones weighting about 50 kilos and were never intended for a serious fight. The weight is also distributed a lot better than you'd thing (for the record I carry about the weight of a full plate in my rucksack, its annoying as balls but I can move around freely, it'd be a lot better if the weight was spread all over my body). Furhtermore, the samurai armor still has weight and encumberance, I've read its apparently move constrictive than plate armor, but I wouldn't know. And even if the samurai could dance, around, the shorter lenght of his weapon means he's at a disadvantage.

 Robin5t wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
Okay, so thats that. Have we finished todays edition of 'Mines better than your's'?

Edit: By yours I mean history v history.

Samurai vs Knight should be a fight.

The trouble with that match-up is that, while both can be assumed to be of quite similar quality in terms of skill and attitude in battle, the Knight is significantly larger and stronger and also has significantly higher-quality equipment available to him at most points in history - European steel is much higher-quality than Japanese steel, as the latter didn't have access to a lot of iron and what they had was quite poor in comparison (this was what the famed 'steel folding' technique was actually for - not a secret trick to make a super-sharp blade, but a means of making the most of bad iron by diffusing the carbon content throughout the metal).

Word for word what I would've said if we had continued the argument

 Ezra Tyrius wrote:
Ahem.

Perhaps we could keep discussions about medieval warfare limited to a minimum in this thread?

^^^

Can't leave misinformation go around like that.

Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

Robin5t wrote:How, exactly? There's, like, one thing in the entirety of existence that the Eldar hate more than the Necrons, and that's Slaanesh.

Well, seeing that my Necrons dislike both Slaanesh and other Necrons, and a planet is about to be destroyed... it's a long story and a long series of events but it ends with the Necrons and the Eldar in Non-Aggresive Pact. It's hard to explain without giving full details

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

Robin5t wrote:How, exactly? There's, like, one thing in the entirety of existence that the Eldar hate more than the Necrons, and that's Slaanesh.

Well, seeing that my Necrons dislike both Slaanesh and other Necrons, and a planet is about to be destroyed... it's a long story and a long series of events but it ends with the Necrons and the Eldar in Non-Aggresive Pact. It's hard to explain without giving full details

Next, you are going to ally WHFB Dwarves with Vampire Counts.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

Robin5t wrote:How, exactly? There's, like, one thing in the entirety of existence that the Eldar hate more than the Necrons, and that's Slaanesh.

Well, seeing that my Necrons dislike both Slaanesh and other Necrons, and a planet is about to be destroyed... it's a long story and a long series of events but it ends with the Necrons and the Eldar in Non-Aggresive Pact. It's hard to explain without giving full details

Next, you are going to ally WHFB Dwarves with Vampire Counts.

For my next trick I will create Khornate Tau breachers.... (I jest of course)

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Anywho, on another note, I've managed to justify Necron's allying with Eldar (Not in CoF2 but in WZ : P)

Robin5t wrote:How, exactly? There's, like, one thing in the entirety of existence that the Eldar hate more than the Necrons, and that's Slaanesh.

Well, seeing that my Necrons dislike both Slaanesh and other Necrons, and a planet is about to be destroyed... it's a long story and a long series of events but it ends with the Necrons and the Eldar in Non-Aggresive Pact. It's hard to explain without giving full details

Next, you are going to ally WHFB Dwarves with Vampire Counts.

For my next trick I will create Khornate Tau breachers.... (I jest of course)

Considering my Tau's increased preference of close range combat...

Speaking of which you'll be getting a message from some Tau pretty soon

Gonna write up on my defeat for my black ops later tonight.

I've been picking away at part 1 of my Kroot taking out Edgar. It's mostly me debating on how to go about it, so there's been a lot of me shooting myself in the foot.

Love the posts about the decent into the spidy caves, Smudge. I have a feeling I'm going to be running into some Tau soon...

I've been plinking away at a blurb for my Knights. Just need to figure out what they're doing.

Little blurb is up for the cultists, still deciding on my next actual roll, but that'll hold for now.

Last few posts were really good. Ascension, uncertainty, risk and reward... It's like we're telling a story or something

Blurb up. Thickening the plot.

Can we take a moment to appreciate the hysterical onomatopoeia that is the word "blurb"?

Love it, love everything about it.

Nice writing EoN and TS.

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Nice writing EoN and TS.

No, Kharne, good writing on your part.

So I finally finished the piece (again) but I forgot my hard drive at my mates. I'll be goin back there in a few hours, so it'll be up then.

Sorry for the delay.

Does anyone know if the spine would stay together if it was taken out of the body? I'm thinking it would because of ligaments and all that, but I'm not sure.

Sure, but you have to sever the spinal cord in order to remove it without tearing it out, which would likely break the tendons and all. So completely doable, but more likely if cut out rather than torn out.

Source: don't ask questions