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You know he won't. He'll insist that he gets to keep his character as is, despite the fact that he'd be pretty much un-killable as is.

Maybe we can ask Chazz for permission to virus bomb his butt from orbit

 War Kitten wrote:
You know he won't. He'll insist that he gets to keep his character as is, despite the fact that he'd be pretty much un-killable as is.

Maybe we can ask Chazz for permission to virus bomb his butt from orbit

I don't think that would work. He'd phase back into the Warp until the planet completely dies, then he'd come back to a more suitable moon. Guard regiments wouldn't be able to invade, and there aren't nearly enough marines to Kill a Daemon legion here. I say we get the Grimoire, get the Razor of [insert name here] and we kick his Biased ass.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
You know he won't. He'll insist that he gets to keep his character as is, despite the fact that he'd be pretty much un-killable as is.

Maybe we can ask Chazz for permission to virus bomb his butt from orbit

I don't think that would work. He'd phase back into the Warp until the planet completely dies, then he'd come back to a more suitable moon. Guard regiments wouldn't be able to invade, and there aren't nearly enough marines to Kill a Daemon legion here. I say we get the Grimoire, get the Razor of [insert name here] and we kick his Biased ass.

Good luck getting it. If you ask Jhe nicely you might get the support of 4 Knights in invading the moon

 War Kitten wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
You know he won't. He'll insist that he gets to keep his character as is, despite the fact that he'd be pretty much un-killable as is.

Maybe we can ask Chazz for permission to virus bomb his butt from orbit

I don't think that would work. He'd phase back into the Warp until the planet completely dies, then he'd come back to a more suitable moon. Guard regiments wouldn't be able to invade, and there aren't nearly enough marines to Kill a Daemon legion here. I say we get the Grimoire, get the Razor of [insert name here] and we kick his Biased ass.

Good luck getting it. If you ask Jhe nicely you might get the support of 4 Knights in invading the moon

To be honest, we don't even know he's here yet. How Warlord Titan evades sensors eludes me, but it's a Daemon, so eh.

But when we do find out. Mark my words. You will know hell TS.

If TS has a daemon the size of a warlord titan, can I have Cegorach in my force?

 The_Grey_Knight wrote:
If TS has a daemon the size of a warlord titan, can I have Cegorach in my force?

Assuming you're not joking... do I really need to point out why that's a bad idea?

Anyway, I'm also in the 'yeah, this doesn't really work with the fluff at all' camp.

For one, being a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided is supposed to be impossible now unless you're Be'Lakor, Lorgar or Peturabo.

Two, manifesting a body the size of a titan would take a ridiculous amount of juice from real world sacrifices, worship and other various chaos gubbins that would be literally impossible to hide even years in advance.

 Robin5t wrote:

 The_Grey_Knight wrote:
If TS has a daemon the size of a warlord titan, can I have Cegorach in my force?

Assuming you're not joking... do I really need to point out why that's a bad idea?

Anyway, I'm also in the 'yeah, this doesn't really work with the fluff at all' camp.

For one, being a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided is supposed to be impossible now unless you're Be'Lakor, Lorgar or Peturabo.

Two, manifesting a body the size of a titan would take a ridiculous amount of juice from real world sacrifices, worship and other various chaos gubbins that would be literally impossible to hide even years in advance.

Who knows, hes probably sacrificed a hundred sectors to the gods, we just don't know it.

Also the deamon prince may be giant but do we know how stable, how much energy it takes just to maintain form.

May not be the nigh deamon primarch it looks

It's not beating him that bothers me as much as the idea that we're supposed to have no idea where he is, or that he even exists, when a Daemon of that size manifesting in the materium should probably be felt by psykers across half the galaxy, that breaks my suspension of disbelief.

If you want to bring a titan-sized Daemon onto a moon, you should also accept the consequences of that - namely that titan-sized Daemons? They literally can't do subtle. Everyone is going to be aware of you.

 Robin5t wrote:
It's not beating him that bothers me as much as the idea that we're supposed to have no idea where he is, or that he even exists, when a Daemon of that size manifesting in the materium should probably be felt by psykers across half the galaxy, that breaks my suspension of disbelief.

If you want to bring a titan-sized Daemon onto a moon, you should also accept the consequences of that - namely that titan-sized Daemons? They literally can't do subtle. Everyone is going to be aware of you.

That was my initial thoughts upon reading his chunk, eh how does he stay hidden again ?

You guys do realize that there's nothing stopping you from writing a piece where your psykers do detect a disturbance in the Warp? I mean, back in the first Crusade, a lot of people wrote about the effects the Hybrids' psychic presence had on their psykers, with all sorts of headaches and visions popping up every now and then, even if those psykers hadn't come in direct contact with them yet.

So yeah, all major psykers should probably be getting a massive headache right about now, especially the Harlies and the Eldar.

I'll sit here and wait while you think of some ridiculously complicated plan to get rid of him, all the while telling the Imperials to go plow themselves because they're filthy mon-keighs, only to eventually get railroaded by the Orks because, you know, Orks, after which the Sorcerer will facepalm and prepare himself for another round of Whack-A-Daemon.

Now if only I still had an Acting-Captain to help me out with that...

Umm now now.

We never saw the acting captain die?
Just not found.... Sooo may be still alive..

I kind of like TS's daemon, it gives everyone a reason to band together to kill him, now all we gotta do is discover this beast. Whichever imperial authority does discover him should perhaps call another meeting of imperial leaders but I feel like this will be near the end of the crusade

Hi folks, I'm not dead! Really sorry for going AWOL. I just needed some time to sort some gak out. Give me another week or so and I'll get back to writing.

Oh, and if you're looking for a way to kill a titan-sized daemon, the answer is staring you right in the face. Use the dragon.

I'd also think the manifestation of a Daemon of that size would attract unwarranted attention.

I just read through the second one... wow. So the concept is that everyone writes their own short stories tied to eachothers stories? How do I get in on this?

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
More orks? Welcome aboard! Currently, I'm the only one running orks, and the place is overwhelmed with ferals. It will be nice to see more greenskins around here, lootin' and fightin'.

Now, we have a few things to go over, as the welcome initiation.

1) On the first page you'll see a map, pick a suitable place to deploy. Do note that the roster has where others are deployed, and some places cannot be deployed on.
2) Please send a PM to Chazz or Tactical Spam about yout force, what they want out of the crusade, who the leader is, etc. Nothing too in depth, just a little outline. Tactical Spam is in charge of wildlife and the moons, while the planet is Chazz's domain.
3)Sign here, agreeing that any casualties coming from trees are not our fault, and that you will not be able to hold a trial against us for said casualties.

Sincerely, Kroot Shaper Ta'lok. (Proofread and approved by Gorgrim BadToof) Hope you enjoy your time in the crusade.

Courtesy of Blackjack but the same rules apply, Welcome friend !

1) Pick a faction you would like to be
2) Looking at the map, you can see various places you can start at. Note that a number of them are already occupied, but there are also plenty that are unavailable.
3)After coming up with a general idea of you're army, it's commander(s), etc, PM Chazz or Tactical_Spam.

Enjoy the crusade, and do not feed the tyranids.

Edit: I just got ninja'd... by myself?

Blackjack needs a pay rise for being the welcomer to the crusade

 Matthew wrote:
I just read through the second one... wow. So the concept is that everyone writes their own short stories tied to eachothers stories? How do I get in on this?

Basically what BlackJack (didn't) say.

Treat this more like an RPG than a fiction pile - if you want to invade someone, fortify your base, search for something, etc, you give a roll to one of our GMs, who tell you how well it goes.
Developing on your faction or just writing a follow-up is free to do, and you can do what you like there. Basically, if you have any questions, ask a GM about it, and choose your faction and goals.

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Blackjack needs a pay rise for being the welcomer to the crusade

Sigged.

Also, I'll hopefully be able to get more progress done on my Kroot today, if not finish it.

 War Kitten wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
How can a daemon prince grow to the size of a Warlord Titan anyway? I mean, Daemon Primarchs are like 5-6 times the size of a Space Marine, and I have a feeling that Erwhateverhisnameis isn't nearly as powerful. Care to explain TS?

TS doesn't exactly play by the fluff. If you saw the last Crusade he had a Sooper special ship that could kill worlds in a single shot, and it was Sooper hard to kill, and it was Sooper cool. He also had Sooper cool Assassin marines who were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Funnily enough the class of ship he had was one that I think only existed in the HH

No, the Warpath Furnace was just a battle barge designed for the sole purpose of firepower (Sorry, I only had the HH ships to base it off of). The ship itself was slow as balls and only had decent frontal shielding, which was why it had to be escorted by other ships. If it wanted to destroy a planet, it had to destroy its guns... Which is a very bad thing for a ship whose sole purpose is to use those guns against other ships.

Hassassins were just stealthy Xenos hunters. They weren't too special outside of that. I might have played them off as if they were sooper cue-el but they were just stealthy Xenos hunters.

Edit: I would also like to point out that Warlord titans are pretty short. The Statue of Liberty in America is actually taller than him without the pedestal.

 2BlackJack1 wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Blackjack needs a pay rise for being the welcomer to the crusade

Sigged.

Also, I'll hopefully be able to get more progress done on my Kroot today, if not finish it.

Nice

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
How can a daemon prince grow to the size of a Warlord Titan anyway? I mean, Daemon Primarchs are like 5-6 times the size of a Space Marine, and I have a feeling that Erwhateverhisnameis isn't nearly as powerful. Care to explain TS?

TS doesn't exactly play by the fluff. If you saw the last Crusade he had a Sooper special ship that could kill worlds in a single shot, and it was Sooper hard to kill, and it was Sooper cool. He also had Sooper cool Assassin marines who were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Funnily enough the class of ship he had was one that I think only existed in the HH

No, the Warpath Furnace was just a battle barge designed for the sole purpose of firepower (Sorry, I only had the HH ships to base it off of). The ship itself was slow as balls and only had decent frontal shielding, which was why it had to be escorted by other ships.

Hassassins were just stealthy Xenos hunters. They weren't too special outside of that. I might have played them off as if they were sooper cue-el but they were just stealthy Xenos hunters.

Edit: I would also like to point out that Warlord titans are pretty short. The Statue of Liberty in America is actually taller than him without the pedestal.

And the firepower was the most valuable thing to have in the situation. By being able to wipe out planets with impunity and capital ships in such a way, it posed a relatively unstoppable threat in the situation.
And it was FAR larger than a Battle Barge. That single ship DWARFED every other ship in the sector. Against another ship of the same size, it would have had decent armour, but there were no comparable ships. Hence why I actually requested for you to leave the ship at Crusade Command as a deterrent vessel during the Crusade, so that fleet actions weren't painfully one sided. Which didn't happen.
Thankfully it didn't have that much of an impact.

The Hassassins weren't the worst thing, but your portrayal of them, especially in the early stages, had them come across as Space Marines +1, using forbidden xenotech without repercussions and having an intimate knowledge of xenos better than the Deathwatch, the actual xenohunters.
Might not have been your intention, but it came across as that.

Warlords might be small in regard to that, but no-one HAS anything Warlord sized in the first place. It will be utterly dominating, far more so than Archarus, who was already incredibly powerful. A Battle Barge flyby might even be needed again to weaken him.
I do think he's a little overscaled, if I'm honest. Especially given the lack of a build-up or any particular explanation for being so big.

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I think now would be a decent time to give my main comment regarding homebrew factions/groups:
Why have I not heard of them?

The idea is basically that, if I had a homebrew Chapter of Marines (which for all intents and purposes are called the Disciples of Vengeance), who are more tactically skilled than Ultramarines, more ferocious than the Carcharodons, ride BIGGER wolves than the Space Wolves, are more perfect and aesthetic than Blood Angels, have a deep dark secret bigger than the Dark Angels, are super caring - more so than the Salamanders, stealthier than Raven Guard, best buddies with every Imperial faction, use heretical tech, and only have a few members but are all super elite, etc etc - why are these guys not displayed in the fluff?
Even when they're better in every way than other Chapters, the other Chapters are the ones written about, and the Disciples are not mentioned.

In my experience, it's always better to be more subdued in why your faction is different and better. Instead of being Faction+1, make your backstory and culture more interesting. Your leader doesn't need to be the Best Swordsman, or the Best Shot, or the most/best at anything - make us sympathise and know the character, and people will respect them and like them more. The reason I've heard of the actual fluff chapters is because they probably are the best around.

Of course, this is just my experience and opinion, but in response to what seems like a bit of an arms-race regarding the CoF as it is, I think it's worth putting it out there.
And this isn't directed at anyone in particular - even if your faction is well written and genuinely interesting, it's still worth having another opinion, if it helps or not.

Have a good day.

Agreed Smudge, with the Emperor's Hounds I tried to steer away from the special snowflake syndrome that many homebrew forces fall to.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

And the firepower was the most valuable thing to have in the situation. By being able to wipe out planets with impunity and capital ships in such a way, it posed a relatively unstoppable threat in the situation.
And it was FAR larger than a Battle Barge. That single ship DWARFED every other ship in the sector. Against another ship of the same size, it would have had decent armour, but there were no comparable ships. Hence why I actually requested for you to leave the ship at Crusade Command as a deterrent vessel during the Crusade, so that fleet actions weren't painfully one sided. Which didn't happen.
Thankfully it didn't have that much of an impact.

I don't know if I said it dwarfed every ship in the crusade, but it was bigger than my own ships... I probably need to stop exaggerating in the meta.

The Hassassins weren't the worst thing, but your portrayal of them, especially in the early stages, had them come across as Space Marines +1, using forbidden xenotech without repercussions and having an intimate knowledge of xenos better than the Deathwatch, the actual xenohunters.
Might not have been your intention, but it came across as that.

They didn't use Xenos tech... Not that I was aware of...

Warlords might be small in regard to that, but no-one HAS anything Warlord sized in the first place. It will be utterly dominating, far more so than Archarus, who was already incredibly powerful. A Battle Barge flyby might even be needed again to weaken him.
I do think he's a little overscaled, if I'm honest. Especially given the lack of a build-up or any particular explanation for being so big.

OK! Saying he's as big as a Warlord is a little extreme. I will tone him down to somewhere between a Warhound and a Knight.

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I think now would be a decent time to give my main comment regarding homebrew factions/groups:
Why have I not heard of them?

The idea is basically that, if I had a homebrew Chapter of Marines (which for all intents and purposes are called the Disciples of Vengeance), who are more tactically skilled than Ultramarines, more ferocious than the Carcharodons, ride BIGGER wolves than the Space Wolves, are more perfect and aesthetic than Blood Angels, have a deep dark secret bigger than the Dark Angels, are super caring - more so than the Salamanders, stealthier than Raven Guard, best buddies with every Imperial faction, use heretical tech, and only have a few members but are all super elite, etc etc - why are these guys not displayed in the fluff?
Even when they're better in every way than other Chapters, the other Chapters are the ones written about, and the Disciples are not mentioned.

They weren't as tactical as the Ultramarines.
Nor as ferocious as the Space Sharks
Nor ride bigger things like the Space Wolves (Sorry, I wanted to have a scene where Sylus rode a dinosaur. Curse my child-like fantasies.)
Nor are they as aestheticly pleasing as the Blood Angels (Good Lord, have I described their paint scheme?)
Nor are they as nice as the Salamanders (Sylus only helped Annala because of the prophecy...)
Nor are they as stealthy as the Raven Guard/Raptors (well, the Hassassins might be)
They do hide stuff like DA though...

They aren't super elite, but still elite (Thats kind of what you get when 2/3 of your chapter is technically the "First Company")
They don't use heretical tech... Ok ok, they did briefly.
The only reason they are buddies with a lot of other faction is because of their Inquisition handlers... That's the best excuse I have.

In my experience, it's always better to be more subdued in why your faction is different and better. Instead of being Faction+1, make your backstory and culture more interesting. Your leader doesn't need to be the Best Swordsman, or the Best Shot, or the most/best at anything - make us sympathise and know the character, and people will respect them and like them more. The reason I've heard of the actual fluff chapters is because they probably are the best around.

They really weren't like that to begin with. They started as "We want to restart the Great Crusade" then turned into the Alpha Legion... Oops.

Of course, this is just my experience and opinion, but in response to what seems like a bit of an arms-race regarding the CoF as it is, I think it's worth putting it out there.
And this isn't directed at anyone in particular - even if your faction is well written and genuinely interesting, it's still worth having another opinion, if it helps or not.

I might have that one-upsmanship complex...

Have a good day.

Hey, you too.

Guys remember, if you ever need to disable a ships weapons, send Deathmarks

I kinda feel bad about the Megalith now.... being as massive as it is...

And I know exactly how to take our a Warhound sized Daemon

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Guys remember, if you ever need to disable a ships weapons, send Deathmarks

I kinda feel bad about the Megalith now.... being as massive as it is...

And I know exactly how to take our a Warhound sized Daemon

You hush. You have talky Necrons.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Guys remember, if you ever need to disable a ships weapons, send Deathmarks

I kinda feel bad about the Megalith now.... being as massive as it is...

And I know exactly how to take our a Warhound sized Daemon

You hush. You have talky Necrons.

Who are down to ally with Etwerkteil

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Guys remember, if you ever need to disable a ships weapons, send Deathmarks

I kinda feel bad about the Megalith now.... being as massive as it is...

And I know exactly how to take our a Warhound sized Daemon

You hush. You have talky Necrons.

Who are down to ally with Etwerkteil

Ewryht'eikl... Why would he ally with you?