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I'm rolling, why is it that my factions are always used as the crazy example? Because they are

Don't mind the Democratic Bonemen, they're almost gone. But do mind the Lizard men, they got beef, and it aint ground

Benny Badmen wrote:Any Primarch is applicable to come to the Imperium's aid as it stands now; that is the rule.

Well, seeing as we don't really know the fates of Alph/Om, and their possible role in the creation of the GK, I'm not sure we can really put them forward, seeing as we don't know what happens to them.

A character of such immense influence would not be allowed to live, not even with every Chapter at his back.

Goge Vandire did, and was stopped by Chapters and traitors from within. What possible traitor could threaten Guilliman? This is someone who could fight Angron to a standstill, and no Custodes (the only possible threat to a Primarch) would oppose a loyal Primarch.
Sebastian Thor is such a figure and created the Ecclesiarchy. He lived.
Saint Basilius had the power to condemn thirty Chapters to the Warp. He was only deposed when the Marines came back.
Macharius commanded a MASSIVE amount of the Imperial military on the Segmentum Pacificus.
Guilliman, a living Primarch and revered Saint, would be easily able to take power.

The schisms created in his wake would be unimaginable. The conflicts of interest could very well result in dozens, if not hundreds of successions taking place one after the other after each statement, new doctrine, rewritten policies...

Only if Guilliman loses control. This is a person who systematically conquered Macragge and both integrated a tribal colony and restructured the political system on Macragge before he was a man. If he keeps control, there will be no schisms or successions. Guilliman was an expert on appeasement and diplomacy.

And the Imperial Cult, now there's another disaster in the making. His power moves against so many organizations wouldn't end well. Such a powerful institution would be quick to proclaim Guilliman a fraud, anything to subvert him. That's the beating heart and soul of corruption and influence that's sewn into the minds of almost every Imperial. Few know the origins of the Primarchs as it would be heretical to even contemplate that the Emperor's very children dare attempt usurping him.

Except the Primarchs are revered in Imperial lore as the Emperor's brave sons. Hell, Sanguinus has notChristmas in the 40k universe. Guilliman's stasis field is a holy site. Even if the Ecclesiarchy backpedals, the general populace will still see him as the Emperor's son - the son of the Emperor who they worship. A few words form Guilliman about the corrupt and decadent Priesthood, and the people will be in his lap.

Yes, I'm not going to argue that Alpharius and Omegon wouldn't have the skills needed for such grand political feats, if anything they'd set the stage for such feats to transpire. The cleaner and fragmented Imperium could and would be pieced back together just not by them. They're so intertwined in these webs of corruption that they alone could find such purest individuals who wouldn't step into such webs... Unless needed. Honestly, it'd probably be an entire century before the stage was set but in the aftermath, a whole new Imperium would rise cleaner and purer than the previous.

If it could rise again. By the twins "cleansing" the Imperium, they would leave it open to attack from the myriads of threats the Imperium resists against. They would make it pure - pure for the slaughter.

Again, the twins were not builders. They burrowed into the weak points of their targets, and brought the whole things down. It wasn't quick, it wasn't clean, but it was precise. Precision isn't needed. Growth is.

To me, Guilliman is the gamble while Alpharius.Omegon are the long term guarantee.

How? I'd say it's the opposite: the twins might usher in a new Imperium, if it's not crippled and destroyed, and will be unable to lead it.
Guilliman will rebuild it, even if he has to destroy anyone who stands in his way. What he leaves will be ruled fairly, strongly, and efficiently.

CKO wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Please leave your sanity at the door.
Here be dragons.
In the grim dankness of the CoF, there is only memes.

This is how I enter this crusade, please give me instructions so I can explain how losing your sanity is one of the things you must lose so that no one including yourself can fathom the type of power you have!

I think BlackJack can sort you out here, or if not, I'll find his standard introduction.

Because you're stealing my job, Kharne. The kroot are supposed to eat people, marines are there to steal the glory of all of the regiments we have lying around. Well, the tyranids are supposed to eat everything, but we don't talk about them because no one wants to bring up the fact that there are tyranids on the main land and no one knows about them besides orks.

And I've already got you covered Smudge. Just gave the intro on the last page.

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Because you're stealing my job, Kharne. The kroot are supposed to eat people, marines are there to steal the glory of all of the regiments we have lying around. Well, the tyranids are supposed to eat everything, but we don't talk about them because no one wants to bring up the fact that there are tyranids on the main land and no one knows about them besides orks.

So what are Tau meant to do?

And I've already got you covered Smudge. Just gave the intro on the last page.

Ah, that saves me having to look back and find it. Once again, living up to that role!*

*Unfortunately, I appear to have misplaced your paycheck...

Tau are meant to complicate what was supposed to a pretty run of the mill squash-the-heretic mission

 Bobthehero wrote:
Tau are meant to complicate what was supposed to a pretty run of the mill squash-the-heretic mission

What do you mean? No Tau in New Pavus, no idea what you mean
*smiles sweetly*

I'd say Tau are good at being a thorn in the backside. And giving firework shows with plasma. Very, very big firework shows.

And I'm really counting on that check, Smudge. Like the kroot, the payment is what keeps me going. Then again, payment for kroot is normally food, so it really does keep them going, or they'll starve.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Tau are meant to complicate what was supposed to a pretty run of the mill squash-the-heretic mission

What do you mean? No Tau in New Pavus, no idea what you mean
*smiles sweetly*

Spoiler:

Actually, there ARE very few Tau in New Pavus, five, three of which are in Stealth Suits which, unless opened from the inside, will detonate, leaving no trace of the Tau pilot. The other two are hidden amongst the humans, and are disguised just like them.

In fact, the only people actually aware of the Tau are Nassau, O'Connell, the Tau themselves, and the mercenaries, who cannot be trusted.

And what about the suspiciously powerful lasgun that my men retrieved? Men who fought Tau in the past.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Tau are meant to complicate what was supposed to a pretty run of the mill squash-the-heretic mission

What do you mean? No Tau in New Pavus, no idea what you mean
*smiles sweetly*

Spoiler:

Actually, there ARE very few Tau in New Pavus, five, three of which are in Stealth Suits which, unless opened from the inside, will detonate, leaving no trace of the Tau pilot. The other two are hidden amongst the humans, and are disguised just like them.

In fact, the only people actually aware of the Tau are Nassau, O'Connell, the Tau themselves, and the mercenaries, who cannot be trusted.

And what about the suspiciously powerful lasgun that my men retrieved? Men who fought Tau in the past.

Not even the Tillers themselves know it's Tau modified.
They may have fought Tau before, but who's to say this isn't just an amped up lasgun? Or even that the Tau gave it to them? They may have stolen the tech, much like how the Imperials at AHC-02 stole Tau modified weapons. It might be Tau-related, but nothing points at Sunstrike's involvement.

Tillers don't know gak, Scions have a lot more means and experience when it comes to that kind of things.

Hey, it's not my fault if my guys get hugry

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
I'd say Tau are good at being a thorn in the backside. And giving firework shows with plasma. Very, very big firework shows.

I've noticed - I tend to feature Tau lighting effects a lot. I might just cut down on it.

And I'm really counting on that check, Smudge. Like the kroot, the payment is what keeps me going. Then again, payment for kroot is normally food, so it really does keep them going, or they'll starve.

Good point - unfortunately, with all the cool GW stuff coming out and birthday gifts to get, I will be broke as all hell.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Tillers don't know gak, Scions have a lot more means and experience when it comes to that kind of things.

Still, nothing to indict anyone other than an unknown Tau force, or even just stolen Tau tech.

Mhmm, I forgot Payne didn't reveal the existence of Tau forces to other Imperial forces. Idiot.

His incompetence us keeping me employed. Ta'lok snuck in through a window, twice, to talk to him. But the Shaper is happy being an advisor for the guy, he's giving plenty of opportunities for employment.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Mhmm, I forgot Payne didn't reveal the existence of Tau forces to other Imperial forces. Idiot.

The Governor is not the brightest bean in the pod.

To be fair, he does need to have a zero tolerance policy, to appease the Astartes. If everyone knew he'd authorized a ceasefire with them, he'd look very bad. He can't announce the Tau presence without needing to mobilise against them, and if he engages the Tau, he diverts his power against a competent enemy who could easily strike back.

Even as it is, and the Scions *are* aware of Tau tech, who's to say it belongs or is related to Sunstrike? It may have been stolen, randomly crafted, or taken from another Tau force. Say, another Tau force allied to the Necrons?

The allegiance of the Tau doesn't matter, really.

Hey, speaking of Astartes morals and stuff, how would your Astartes/Scions react to some Marines doing sneaky-beaky gak, such as spying for someone?

Not makin' any implications if that's what you're thinkin'...

*Whistles innocently*

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Another bluefoot, eh? Well, in that case: Welcome to the Crusade!

Step 1: Pick a faction you would like to write about. We have just about everything, from filthy heretics to humanoid shark marines that eat the corpses of their enemies. Bon appetite. We have a roster at the first page of this thread to see what's already being run, but feel free to do doubles.

Tau

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
2: Looking on the first page of the CoF SS thread, you'll find some maps. Those will show where current factions have their HQ's at. Pick somewhere you would like your faction to start at.

Eynov I guess?

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
3: PM Tactical Spam a description of your army, so he can update the roster. Quick and simple.

A Hunter Cadre
PM sent

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
4: Plan your next move. Chazz is the GM of Crion, while TS is the GM of the moons. We use a roll system, similar to D&D, of 1-100. Think of your first step, be it slaying down orks, Imperials, or just building up a feth huge base, that is up to you. Give a PM to the respective GM of your location, a description of your first move, and a roll of 1-100. They'll give you a roll result of how well it goes, the closer your roll is to the roll result defines how well you do.

I rolled a 65 I am not sure if I am to share this or not but you live and you learn, right?
PM sent

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
5: Enjoy yourself, and don't mind the bird men. They're only interested in business deals.

Okay

If I land on Eynov is there already someone there? Do I make it up? I need to know because I need to go write, lol.

@CKO PM those to the respective GM, and give him a number rather than rolling one. He/She/It/Unicorn will roll for it and decide respectively with what they rolled.

IE. If it's on Crion, PM Chazz, if it's anywhere else that isn't the Space Elevator thing, PM TS.

P.S. If there's someone there already, the GM will tell you.

 CKO wrote:

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Another bluefoot, eh? Well, in that case: Welcome to the Crusade!

Step 1: Pick a faction you would like to write about. We have just about everything, from filthy heretics to humanoid shark marines that eat the corpses of their enemies. Bon appetite. We have a roster at the first page of this thread to see what's already being run, but feel free to do doubles.

Tau

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
2: Looking on the first page of the CoF SS thread, you'll find some maps. Those will show where current factions have their HQ's at. Pick somewhere you would like your faction to start at.

Eynov I guess?

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
3: PM Tactical Spam a description of your army, so he can update the roster. Quick and simple.

A Hunter Cadre
PM sent

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
4: Plan your next move. Chazz is the GM of Crion, while TS is the GM of the moons. We use a roll system, similar to D&D, of 1-100. Think of your first step, be it slaying down orks, Imperials, or just building up a feth huge base, that is up to you. Give a PM to the respective GM of your location, a description of your first move, and a roll of 1-100. They'll give you a roll result of how well it goes, the closer your roll is to the roll result defines how well you do.

I rolled a 65 I am not sure if I am to share this or not but you live and you learn, right?
PM sent

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
5: Enjoy yourself, and don't mind the bird men. They're only interested in business deals.

Okay

If I land on Eynov is there already someone there? Do I make it up? I need to know because I need to go write, lol.

Well, Eynov *used* to be occupied by the Inquisition forces, but they seem to have moved camp. I think Eynov should be open. Just PM chazz to be sure. You won't have to roll to deploy, but if you want to do something alongside it, like scout out, or attack a local herd of grox, you will need to roll.

Regarding the size of your force, you could easily make it bigger. My own force consists of:
Contingent Headquarters
2 Hunter Cadres
3 Infiltration Cadres
3 Optimised Stealth Cadres
3 Air Caste Support Cadres
1 Heavy Retribution Cadre
2 Ranged Support Cadres
3 Orca Shoals
3 Manta Gunships

You can easily make yours larger if you wanted.

Oh boy, more Tau. That just means another possible employer for the kroot, or some hiding if they don't like the kroot not spending all of there time serving the Greater Good.

Tell me if anyone minds the fact when I bring my marines in that Tau is a favorite enemy of theirs?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Regarding the size of your force, you could easily make it bigger. My own force consists of:
Contingent Headquarters
2 Hunter Cadres
3 Infiltration Cadres
3 Optimised Stealth Cadres
3 Air Caste Support Cadres
1 Heavy Retribution Cadre
2 Ranged Support Cadres
3 Orca Shoals
3 Manta Gunships

You can easily make yours larger if you wanted.

I rather just keep it a large Hunter Cadre I know it may be small in comparison to your force but in regards for what I want to write about I prefer for it to be just a large Hunter Cadre.

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Oh boy, more Tau. That just means another possible employer for the kroot, or some hiding if they don't like the kroot not spending all of there time serving the Greater Good.

Fear the KROOT!

Welcome to the jungle CKO. Beware the ones named Tactical_Spam and Ezra Tyrius and you just may survive this place with your sanity intact

On the bright side, Ta'lok won't be looking to pick a fight with any Tau, because he's honorbound to not eat the Tau. It might just come down to a "I won't shoot you if you don't shoot me" scenario.

Waiting for further instructions like a lictor waits for its prey! I am excited I guess I will read my fellow Tau comrade stuff first while I wait! Where is your first entry Smudge?

It should be on the first page of the Second Sun thread.

After reading the first entry for Tau I am sad because I am all about the Greater Good!

Sgt Smudge read your PM immediately please sir!

Everyone will respect the tau'va around here lol.

Late to the party, but still: Welcome CKO!

Glad to see more xenos around. Too much imperium. This place needs more HERESY! :p