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 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
It's a pretty good book, it kinda makes me feel better about my Democratic Necrons

I won't lie, I like Democratic Necrons. They don't all need to be Terminator-esque kill bots, or Flayer infected hordes, or Spess-Egyptians. They have the potential for just as much scope as Space Marines, and that's a lot.
Keep on Democracy-ing.

I was GOING to bring in hovering Terminators, but TS said I shouldn't, so I didn't. :(

So I'm curious. There doesn't really seem to be any real overarching goal for this Crusade, so how are we going to do this? Just keep going till Kharne runs out of Ram Scythes?

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
I was GOING to bring in hovering Terminators, but TS said I shouldn't, so I didn't. :(

I am a merciful god

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
I was GOING to bring in hovering Terminators, but TS said I shouldn't, so I didn't. :(

I am a merciful god

Thee art no longer our god! Stop corrupting thy place with yee foulness, daemon!

I have no clue where that came from.

Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
It's a pretty good book, it kinda makes me feel better about my Democratic Necrons

I won't lie, I like Democratic Necrons. They don't all need to be Terminator-esque kill bots, or Flayer infected hordes, or Spess-Egyptians. They have the potential for just as much scope as Space Marines, and that's a lot.
Keep on Democracy-ing.

Thanks will do

Sgt. Vanden wrote:I was GOING to bring in hovering Terminators, but TS said I shouldn't, so I didn't. :(

that would have been cool

War Kitten wrote:So I'm curious. There doesn't really seem to be any real overarching goal for this Crusade, so how are we going to do this? Just keep going till Kharne runs out of Ram Scythes?

Well it has to end eventually

 War Kitten wrote:
So I'm curious. There doesn't really seem to be any real overarching goal for this Crusade, so how are we going to do this? Just keep going till Kharne runs out of Ram Scythes?

This is my issue as well, but I was sort of told "save Crion".
Bit that cannot happen with writers on both sides constantly there.

And feth "ending" something that basically hasn't kicked off fully.

Agreed B.C., just thinking about it and nothing really has changed imo. Sure Gore demolished some cities and smudge is assassinating Payne's left right and center which is good but I feel like there needs to be more consequences for our actions. The dreadmob is a good example, it appeared out of nowhere which is fine but it was quickly defeated, yet a orkish horde of that size would be devastating for the surrounding farmland and whatever else. Blah I'm m gonna end this rant now

TL: DR I feel like sometimes our actions mean nothing

It does feel without direction it's basically just feudal clans, and there's a limit to how much of that can sustain an arc.

Also I'm vaguely concerned that my rogue trader will get smacked despite non combat status, which is why I didn't bring him back yet.
Last crusade there was an agreed amnesty as he doesn't actually fight, this crusade he got stabbed and some of his men I didn't even state were going to an event were killed.

I say we start murder-fething each other now.

Though I think that if we keep the -current- goal at "Supremacy for Crion and its moons", as in, either kill Payne, or feth the Tillers royally, that should set us up for a while.

The tiller conflict could split the imperium forces apart, that is if Horatio is not like atobias and more like his grandfather than my Hounds might back him, that story arc does have potential and i hope to see it utilised

The Horus Heresy wasn't done after Istavaan V, was it? So why would this campaign end in its first act?

The heresy had a visible arc plot though.
We clearly cannot wipe out one side or another, so it kind of feels stymied to bicker and reclaim various areas if all it does is move the pieces.

To use the HH example - each side had a longer plan.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
The heresy had a visible arc plot though.
We clearly cannot wipe out one side or another, so it kind of feels stymied to bicker and reclaim various areas if all it does is move the pieces.

To use the HH example - each side had a longer plan.

Then maybe we should discuss the possibility of staggering the factions

Id be up for that

I quite agree, we need to outline goals for each alliance or faction that can be obtained without needing to obliterate another faction that also furthers the story arcs.
This way we can set several arcs for people to strive for. But first we need to get back to the lore of Crion.

We know there are Dragons, so far we've seen two (Gorgon Dragon [Does he have a name?], and Murrogg). With more being discovered, perhaps something happens there?

We also can have group events which could alter the arcs depending on their resolution, like the Megalith or the Gargant.

Has the Gargant been resolved yet btw? I'll make another roll to orbitally bomb the out of it.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
The heresy had a visible arc plot though.
We clearly cannot wipe out one side or another, so it kind of feels stymied to bicker and reclaim various areas if all it does is move the pieces.

To use the HH example - each side had a longer plan.

Then maybe we should discuss the possibility of staggering the factions

Or giving people an activity other than pasting each other?

I think the Gargant was destroyed and is being written up atm, and im happy to try and figure out the background to these dragons, although most likely conclusion is that they are remnants of the blood dragons which I believe is Jhe's goal of discovering what happened to them.

Duple Post

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
I think the Gargant was destroyed and is being written up atm, and im happy to try and figure out the background to these dragons, although most likely conclusion is that they are remnants of the blood dragons which I believe is Jhe's goal of discovering what happened to them.

Has anyone seen Jhe?

He has been active in other forums i think but I haven't heard from him myself

He's a bit behind on catching up, he said yesterday. I'll alert him to this topic.

Maybe direct him to the timeline, might help him out a bit

I like the time line, I'll be adding to it soon.

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
The tiller conflict could split the imperium forces apart, that is if Horatio is not like atobias and more like his grandfather than my Hounds might back him, that story arc does have potential and i hope to see it utilised

The Tillers are siding with Chaos and Xeno, openly, choosing their side makes you a traitor.

To clarify the tillers did not ask or accept help from chaos, they are forcibly helping them wheth are they like it or not, and the tau involvement isnt known is it ? And bob dont wanna bring this up again but I wouldn't be blowing the traitor horn if i were you

EDIT: That is not to say you do not have a point, if such things were known to my hounds they would condemn him as any other traitor

The Tau involvement is well known in the form of Kharne's airforce, which I have plenty of proof since my airforce fought them.

There's a difference between getting help from Xenos and Heretics and siding with a different imperial autority.

Bobthehero wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
The tiller conflict could split the imperium forces apart, that is if Horatio is not like atobias and more like his grandfather than my Hounds might back him, that story arc does have potential and i hope to see it utilised

The Tillers are siding with Chaos and Xeno, openly, choosing their side makes you a traitor.

The Tillers still worship the Emperor. That's not changed. What has changed is their uncalled-for allies:

Only a single squad of Gue'vesa fom Sunstrike Cadre have actually integrated into their force, and only O'Connell and Nassau are aware of their true nature. As far as any other Tiller knows, Vandred, Hound, and everyone else are just mercs hired.
The Disciples have only come on Mason's orders, and are just using the Tillers to absorb bullets. They might fight together, but will have different end goals.
The Prin'shek Cadre is answering a message from Skyhunter, who is responding to a message they sent ages ago. The Tillers aren't involved in that. To them, they're just very lucky, and will be glad for any help they get - but they are not traitors to the Golden Throne.

(Not to mention that both Pavus - who your Scions sided with - and Tobias Payne used Xeno Mercenaries, with Tobias recruiting an entire warband of Kroot and creating an armistice with my own Tau, and Pavus even committing treason against Zonand and those who opposed his plans. Which your Scions carried out.
Are your own men traitors? )



And I will echo those points on a better narrative drive. So far, there's no real division in the Imperial forces, not just in ideology or fealty but even just in taskforce or objective, and the Xenos and Chaos factions have no choice but to team up and fight head on, which doesn't make sense for many forces. Aside from "attack a city, maybe win, attack another city", there is very little to strive for. If the Megalith changes that, I'll be happy.

Take this how you will, but at the same time in the previous Crusade, I was three days away from posting the first of the three finale chunks. A month after that, the CoF was officially over, save for a few epilogue posts after. (I took a month to write two chunks? Jeez... )
Food for thought.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The Tau involvement is well known in the form of Kharne's airforce, which I have plenty of proof since my airforce fought them.

There's a difference between getting help from Xenos and Heretics and siding with a different imperial autority.

Yes. One is an interesting turn of events, the other treason.

Besides, there is plenty of evidence to show Tobias' alliances to xenos too.

He's not sending his xenos allies to fight loyal imperial forces. He's using to put down a rebellion, that's good enough in the Imperium book.