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Sisters of battle, because GW will forget to kill them off.

Necrons. When the tyranids consume all the bio-matter in the galaxy, they move onto another galaxy and the necrons wake up again and have fun.

Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

Again, in that case, daemons still prevail

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

Again, in that case, daemons still prevail

How? Daly I don't think you understand how Daemons work even at their best, they only exist due to the Warp energies. If Chaos stops being able to feed on human emotions, die, or the connection is otherwise severed, the Daemons usually poof and go back to the Warp.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

Again, in that case, daemons still prevail

How? Daly I don't think you understand how Daemons work even at their best, they only exist due to the Warp energies. If Chaos stops being able to feed on human emotions, die, or the connection is otherwise severed, the Daemons usually poof and go back to the Warp.

It's you who doesn't understand how daemons work.

Orks love war, khorne gets stronger
Orks are easy to manipulate, tzeentch gets stronger
Orks live excess, whether it be looting, fungus beer, fighting. Slaanesh gets stronger.

Orks prevail, so do daemons.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

Again, in that case, daemons still prevail

How? Daly I don't think you understand how Daemons work even at their best, they only exist due to the Warp energies. If Chaos stops being able to feed on human emotions, die, or the connection is otherwise severed, the Daemons usually poof and go back to the Warp.

It's you who doesn't understand how daemons work.

Orks love war, khorne gets stronger
Orks are easy to manipulate, tzeentch gets stronger
Orks live excess, whether it be looting, fungus beer, fighting. Slaanesh gets stronger.

Orks prevail, so do daemons.

Except Chaos feeds off mortal psychic energy, and Orks don't have Psychic energy (except for Weird Boys, but that usually runs rampant and blows itself up, so not really contingent to helping Chaos). Also, the Dark Gods feed off worship, power, manipulation, everything that an Ork doesn't do or won't do. Orks are generally hard to control, love a good fight, and can't be tempted like normal humans. They're also not really susceptible to corruption, the main way Chaos works.

Really, the only way Orks would feed Chaos would be if the gods they worship, Gork 'n Mork, were retconned to be Khorne and Tzeentch. But that'd be down right silly and I'd burn my 40k models in protest.

Let's go through the armies...

The Imperium (Space Marine Chapters, Astra Militarum, Inquisition, Sisters of Battle, Mechanicus, etc - Wiped out. Whether by Orks, Chaos, Tyranids, Necrons, or some other huge force. Really all it takes to destroy mankind is the failure of the Astronomicon combined with overwhelming attrition from the various xenos threats. Mankind dies.

Tau Empire - Wiped out. Tau have no means to survive the long-term incursion into their territory by Necrons or Orks or Tyranids. They only have some possible protection from Chaos due to having no psychic ability, but it's likely not even that would keep them safe forever.

Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins - Wiped out. Eldar could survive in the Webway for awhile, but eventually Necrons or Deamons would find them, given enough time. Their only hope for survival would be a secret weapon in the Black Library or the last great joke, the "Final Act" from Cegorach.

Chaos Space Marines - Eventually die out. All remaining Chaos Marines are eventually killed, or completely succumb to Chaos and become Deamons.

Necrons - Likely wiped out. Even though Tyranids don't care much for them, nor do the forces of Chaos, the Orks would eventually overrun them.

Orks - Survive. The Orks survive the end of the galaxy in an endless WAAAGH! amongst the Tyranids, Deamons, and Necrons. Only the complete destruction of all planets in the galaxy would wipe out the Orks. They can survive, thrive, and multiply almost anywhere, and will continue fighting under almost any condition.

Tyranids - Survive? The assumption is that the Hive Fleet tendrils currently moving through the Milky Way are merely the vanguard of a much more huge Tyranid intergalactic Hive Mind. If true, eventually the Hive Fleets conquer most of the known galaxy, and remain in endless conflict with the Orks.

Chaos Deamons - This depends heavily on how the Shadow in the Warp interacts with the Warp and the Chaos Gods. The Warp has a relationship with real-space and the living beings within it. When those living beings are mostly Tyranids / Orks / Necrons does that mean that the Chaos Gods would cease to exist, since they no longer have the psychic energy of Humans, Eldar, and other sentient races to feed upon?

In my opinion Chaos would simply stagnate, and become isolated within the Warp. Given enough time, say a millennium or ten or a hundred or a thousand, the Eye of Chaos will stabilize and close. With the destruction of most sentient races in the galaxy due to Tyranids or Orks, Chaos will have no more cause to encroach upon the material plane. They reign forever within the Warp,and forever maintain the endless war between the great ruinous powers.

One could make the case that Slaanesh would lose so much power with the destruction of all the sentient races that she would be destroyed. This becomes further more likely if you trust that the "Last Act" of Cegorach is a plan of revenge against She Who Thirsts.

One could also make the case that Teenzch would also be destroyed. The Lord of Change would lose quite a bit of power over time with the gradual stagnation of the galaxy and destruction of all sentient races. The Shadow in the Warp may also affect him the most of all the Chaos Gods.

This leaves Khorne and Nurgle. If Orks in fact survive, it might give Khorne the energy he needs to keep up a constant battle against the God of Decay. But I think it's more likely that eventually there is simply so much death in the galaxy and Nurgle gains so much power that he can overwhelm the other powers and rule the Warp.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

The_Grey_Knight wrote:
Anyone familiar with the history of the harlequins? I bring this up because they might yet survive because of Cegorach's Final Dance that tells of the Eldar (and by extension the harlequins) surviving the final battle with chaos while chaos dies. Nids will get nuked to pieces by the Imperium, their worlds destroyed. Orks? They'll outlast us all 'cos they're everywhere.

Again, in that case, daemons still prevail

How? Daly I don't think you understand how Daemons work even at their best, they only exist due to the Warp energies. If Chaos stops being able to feed on human emotions, die, or the connection is otherwise severed, the Daemons usually poof and go back to the Warp.

It's you who doesn't understand how daemons work.

Orks love war, khorne gets stronger
Orks are easy to manipulate, tzeentch gets stronger
Orks live excess, whether it be looting, fungus beer, fighting. Slaanesh gets stronger.

Orks prevail, so do daemons.

Except Chaos feeds off mortal psychic energy, and Orks don't have Psychic energy (except for Weird Boys, but that usually runs rampant and blows itself up, so not really contingent to helping Chaos). Also, the Dark Gods feed off worship, power, manipulation, everything that an Ork doesn't do or won't do. Orks are generally hard to control, love a good fight, and can't be tempted like normal humans. They're also not really susceptible to corruption, the main way Chaos works.

Really, the only way Orks would feed Chaos would be if the gods they worship, Gork 'n Mork, were retconned to be Khorne and Tzeentch. But that'd be down right silly and I'd burn my 40k models in protest.

Any time blood flows, or excess occurs slaanesh and khorne are fed. Doesn't HAVE to be psychic energy... Not to mention ALL orks have latent psychic energy...Any time there's a plan to thwart, or scheme to unhatch, tzeentch is there as well.

If Orks exist, chaos will ALWAYS exist with them.

 LethalShade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Not in the 5th book. They do have FTL, but its very slow, and nothing like what they had before.
If they actually wanted to get anywhere, they had to use something called a Dolmen Gate and hijack the webway.
It was pretty dumb.

Apparently FW tried making it less dumb, but I already forgot.

Damn, my Chapter relied on eventually finding a Necron inertialess drive. feth 5th edition, I'm keeping that.

Don't worry, just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean they stopped existing. Necron inertialess drives are still canon as of Shield of Baal: Exterminatus.

"Turning his fleet toward the glinting crimson orbs of Cryptus, Anrakyr engaged his
inertialess drive, his vast Necron armada streaking off into the void. Unlike the ships of
the Imperium, those of the Necrons did not travel through the Warp, and so the great
psychic barrier cast out by the Hive Mind was no impediment to their fleet. Likewise, the
Aegis Diamando, so deadly to life, registered only as a minor spatial anomaly to Anrakyr’s
Crypteks. With ice still flaking from their vessels, the Necrons descended upon Perdita.
There they found that the first Necrons had already awoken, and had scattered a human
landing force. Anrakyr himself went down onto the snow-covered planet to meet its
masters and assess the situation."

Also, while it is true that there are no new Necrons, there is no practical limit to the number of Canoptek Constructs they can build.

I've done a little reading in the codex's that I have and in no place is Khorne said to be the god of war. He is the embodiment of slaughter, brutality, and violent actions. He used to be the god of martial pride, but GW has long since abandoned that notion.

But in any case he is not the god of war. As such say a pin point strike where your enemy is vaporized offers him no skills.

In addition everything I've read shows that it is mankind that feeds the Chaos gods. Not a real issue since there are so damn many of them, but I've found no official publication that shows say a Necron vs eldar conflict feeds Khorne. In almost all cases that I've read only those that worship each individual god feed that god. There may be some passive power gained maybe. But I'd gather that in an Ork vs.. Ork conflict the vast majority of psychic power goes to gork and mork.

Read about the part where khorne let's orks regenerate in his realm just to slaughter them again and again.

Also, with the first part of your post, you're just waxing semantics...

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Read about the part where khorne let's orks regenerate in his realm just to slaughter them again and again.

Also, with the first part of your post, you're just waxing semantics...

. Absolutely not. Barbaric wars maybe. But when you fight with stratigy, superior tactics, and take a cut off the head of the snake approach war can be elegant and even dare I say it... Merciful.

History has shown us many examples of conflicts that would feed tzentch more than Khorne.

You're just incorrect

Khorne loves strategy and Challenge

What part of mindless brutality goes with strategy? I think your giving way too many attributes to Khorne. If he was everything your giving him credit for he would surpass the Big E and all others in power. Truth is, he just isn't all that and there would be no place for any of the others. Especially the Eldar Kaine.

You should actually read about the chaos gods before commenting about them.

Khorne is a warrior, he isn't mindless

I have... And my books say mindless brutality. But this is GW and according to them its all cannon. Including mindless necrons right along side the scheming and plotting necrons.

As such, your warrior and my brute are both equally acceptable. Your Khorne is all powerful and mine isn't suited to polish Gork and Morks boots.

As I've explained in other threads, the chaos gods are made up of all emotion, any act of violence, feeds Khorne, any act, so even in a tiny way, the nids also feed him, but it's not just violence, it's almost any form of action or thought linked with violence, honour is just controlled violence, mercy is just violence pointed at certain people over others.

This is all backed by fluff.

 Formosa wrote:
As I've explained in other threads, the chaos gods are made up of all emotion, any act of violence, feeds Khorne, any act, so even in a tiny way, the nids also feed him, but it's not just violence, it's almost any form of action or thought linked with violence, honour is just controlled violence, mercy is just violence pointed at certain people over others.

This is all backed by fluff.

Again, orks live, khorne lives...

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
As I've explained in other threads, the chaos gods are made up of all emotion, any act of violence, feeds Khorne, any act, so even in a tiny way, the nids also feed him, but it's not just violence, it's almost any form of action or thought linked with violence, honour is just controlled violence, mercy is just violence pointed at certain people over others.

This is all backed by fluff.

Again, orks live, khorne lives...

I'm gonna try and not be smarmy....but....read my post again....then stop.....then read it again....let it sink in....then see I'm agreeing with you genius lol

All thanks to the warrior khorne, Einstein.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
All thanks to the warrior khorne, Einstein.

And this is why I avoid threads started by Dalymiddleboro....