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If you were designing a TAC list, and you were forced to take a single Land Raider (points not being relevant), which one would you take? Let's leave the Heresy-era tech out of the discussion.

Phobos = 2 twin-linked lascannon sponsons, twin-linked heavy bolters
Crusader = 2 hurricane bolter sponsons, twin-linked assault cannons
Redeemer = 2 flamestorm cannon sponsons, twin-linked assault cannons
Helios = 2 twin-linked lascannon sponsons, Whirlwind Missile Launcher
Prometheus = 4 twin-linked heavy bolters
Achilles = 2 twin-linked multi-melta sponsons, Thunderfire cannon
Terminus Ultra = 2 twin-linked lascannon sponsons, lascannon sponsons, twin-linked lascannons
Excelsior = 2 twin-linked lascannon sponsons, heavy grav cannon w/grav amp

You're encouraged to take into account their options and/or special rules in your reasoning!

Crusader, simply because of the transport ability. Nothing more fun than 15 bloodclaws and a Wolf Priest charging into enemy lines.

Only the Helios and Crusader don't have schizophrenic loadouts, but for transportation it would be given to the Crusader.

That said, the Spartan is much better.

My vote is Prometheus.

Give it Psybolt ammunition = many S6 dakka.
It also has the great +1 to reserve rolls and reduces the cover of an enemy unit.

Yo dawg I heard you like laz cannons...



Land Raider Terminus Ultra, the third-manliest tank in the universe. PM me for the entire list of manly tanks, if you so desire.

Phobos.

All you kids can get off my lawn with your new-fangled “variants”

Grumpy old man aside, I do like the classic from a TAC sense. While the LRC/R are better battlefield taxies, they are crummy tanks. Some of the FW options have decent firepower, but IIRC they pretty much toss aside the transport aspect. And if I’m including a LR in a list, I want to have some guys charging down the assault ramp to smash something.

The Phobos might be schizophrenic, (or tactically flexible, as I like to call it) overpriced, and not as tough as it should be with all the D weapons and other shenanigans out there. But it’s a classic, and I love it.

You forgot the Ares.

It's still early, but I thought the Achilles would run away with the voting because of the Armored Ceramite upgrade.

Otto Weston wrote:My vote is Prometheus.

Give it Psybolt ammunition = many S6 dakka.
It also has the great +1 to reserve rolls and reduces the cover of an enemy unit.

That would be awesome, but I don't see where in the rules that's permitted. The Prometheus has a list of upgrades it can select from in IA2, and it does not have access to the Codex: Inquisition armory.

Nevelon wrote:Phobos.

All you kids can get off my lawn with your new-fangled “variants”

Grumpy old man aside, I do like the classic from a TAC sense. While the LRC/R are better battlefield taxies, they are crummy tanks. Some of the FW options have decent firepower, but IIRC they pretty much toss aside the transport aspect. And if I’m including a LR in a list, I want to have some guys charging down the assault ramp to smash something.

The Phobos might be schizophrenic, (or tactically flexible, as I like to call it) overpriced, and not as tough as it should be with all the D weapons and other shenanigans out there. But it’s a classic, and I love it.

Yeah, I'm still a big fan of the basic LR. It's always struggled with a dual identity of transport vs. pillbox, but my preference has always been to use it from my backlines as a firebase, with the added benefit of either protecting a valuable unit or carrying a counter-assault squad.



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 SickSix wrote:
You forgot the Ares.

Is the Ares an official variant from a published book? I always thought it was one of those homemade datafaxes.

GW puplished an Apoc data sheet for it back in 5th edition.

I gotta go Achilles

A thunderfire cannon, armored ceramite and 2 twin linked multimeltas. Yeah you cut down the transpo capacity, but throw a techpreist in there with some servitors and the IH tactics and it is basically invincible (until everyone and thier brother got D weapons)

Also it looks mean as gak, so it should have the fear rule IMHO (but I'm bias lol)



This is the one I got painted by atropos907 at "third fate creations" and I am still in awe

Redeemer. There's no confusion that you should be doing anything but going flat out 18" towards some fools that need punching by a character or 2 and 5 hammernators. Once they've gotten out, you are now perfectly in range to put out MEQ obliterating firepower in 2 directions with PotMS.

While the Crusader carries 2-4 more dudes, armour dependant, it's also got popguns instead of a pair of non-torrent baleflamers, and anything that can have their gak pushed in by a character or 2 and 5 hammernators probably wouldn't be fazed by 2 more hammernators anyway.

Anything with a grav cannon isn't terrible, but anything that encourages you to sit back and shoot with lascannons just means you're an expensive gun platform, and other stuff does that better.

The Redeemer has two sponsons that are impossible to use against even a mediocre opponent.

 Nevelon wrote:
All you kids can get off my lawn with your new-fangled “variants”

Back in my codex, we had one Land Raider type, and we were grateful! That said, the one with a Thunderfire seems juicy.

Im voting ares just because i built one years ago and who doesnt want a demolisher cannon on av 14

Crusader with Achilles as a close second.

Requiet wrote:
Im voting ares just because i built one years ago and who doesnt want a demolisher cannon on av 14

Moar dakka?

I have to say the Terminus Ultra, because nothing says "feth you!" like 6 lascannons

excelsior flat out its got the most utility, with it you can cut back on your amount of anti-air and your tank fighting gets better, it also gives you the ability to bring on reserves on a whim, the primaris also lets you basically ignore taking a techmarine

dont look at it as a 400 point land raider that has some fancy tricks look at it more like the land raider that comes with a free razorback, and a pile of utility

codex marines could use it to extreme devestation but people dont want to go chasing the use of it because its too cost effective to spam bikes like a lemming

 ionusx wrote:
excelsior flat out its got the most utility, with it you can cut back on your amount of anti-air and your tank fighting gets better, it also gives you the ability to bring on reserves on a whim, the primaris also lets you basically ignore taking a techmarine

dont look at it as a 400 point land raider that has some fancy tricks look at it more like the land raider that comes with a free razorback, and a pile of utility

codex marines could use it to extreme devestation but people dont want to go chasing the use of it because its too cost effective to spam bikes like a lemming

I'm thinking of running a proxy Excelsior in my DA list just to give it a spin. The rules look really good, tbh.

 War Kitten wrote:
I have to say the Terminus Ultra, because nothing says "feth you!" like 6 lascannons

But then you cram Chronos in there and give the tank the War of Murder or Schism of Mars LoG.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Crusader, simply because of the transport ability. Nothing more fun than 15 bloodclaws and a Wolf Priest charging into enemy lines.

I guess you haven't seen 15 Death Company and a Chaplain/Mephiston...

Spetulhu wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Crusader, simply because of the transport ability. Nothing more fun than 15 bloodclaws and a Wolf Priest charging into enemy lines.

I guess you haven't seen 15 Death Company and a Chaplain/Mephiston...

Nope, but I can imagine what it would do. My Sw pretty much live or die by how well their crusaders do.

Terminus Ultra:

F*CK
YOU
NECRON
MONOLITHS

- Sarg Chronus during the Damnos campaign

Rar!

Spetulhu wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Crusader, simply because of the transport ability. Nothing more fun than 15 bloodclaws and a Wolf Priest charging into enemy lines.

I guess you haven't seen 15 Death Company and a Chaplain/Mephiston...

Guess you haven't seen 10 honour guard with banner, a chaplain and Ordo Xenos inquisitor with rad/Psychotroke grenades

 kronk wrote:
Rar!

That's a sweet Terminus Ultra, Kronk. I hope that still gets out of the display case and fights in the Emperor's name on a regular basis

I really love the off-center templar cross, I have to side with the_Armyman and hope that thing smites in the name of the emperor

Why so few votes for the terminus ultra ? I like it too !
A big av14 destroying every other vehicle in the board.

 godardc wrote:
Why so few votes for the terminus ultra ? I like it too !
A big av14 destroying every other vehicle in the board.

Because it is mentioned once and lacks carrying capacity

Who needs transport cap when you have 6 lascannons? I would certainly field one and consider it well-worth it