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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 17:52:57
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hey guys, this stems from a game I played yesterday where my opponent asked why I was using the Farsight Supplement instead of the Mont'Ka Campaign Book. He was under the impression that the Mont'Ka book replaced the Farsight Supplement, however after reading through my own copy of the book it says nothing of the sort. When looking into it I came up with the conclusion that you can indeed still run the Farsight Enclaves Supplement and here is why.
-The Farsight Enclaves is a Supplement of Codex: Tau Empire, which means its legal to play even before Mont'Ka was released.
-Mont'Ka is a Campaign Book (Warzone Damocles) and not a Codex, therefore it does not invalidate the Farsight Enclaves Supplement.
-Mont'Ka has Special Rules in regards to running the Dawn Blade Detachment and new Formations that can be taken by the Tau, also rules for running the FSE if you choose to run them out of the Mont'ka Book.
-Raven Guard and White Scars Space Marines can choose to be run out of either the new Campaign Books or the standard Codex Space Marines, they are just different Detachments. Why would it not be the same for the Farsight Enclaves? The same goes for Blood Angels, Tyranids and every other force found in a Campaign Book.
Now based on this it seems pretty clear I can still field a CAD out of the Farsight Supplement as what is found in a Campaign Book (or Warzone Book) does not invalidate a Codex. Am I right in this assumption? I appreciate the feedback and thanks for posting!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:04:43
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Executing Exarch
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I'd say yes, the newer Codex is also called Codex; Tau Empire so seems fine to me
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:07:52
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lord of the Fleet
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gmaleron wrote:He was under the impression that the Mont'Ka book replaced the Farsight Supplement, however after reading through my own copy of the book it says nothing of the sort.
Do any of the codexes or expansions say that they replace a previous version?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:10:28
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Turnip Jedi wrote:I'd say yes, the newer Codex is also called Codex; Tau Empire so seems fine to me
http://www.spikeybits.com/2015/11/the-farsight-supplement-question-answered-by-gw-2.html
GW apparently confirmed it in a written reply, also if you remember you didn't even have to buy the new Tau Codex, you could have picked up the Kyuon book to get you the new stuff!
Scott-S6 wrote: Do any of the codexes or expansions say that they replace a previous version?
None, otherwise you couldn't run the White Scars or Raven Guard out of Codex Space Marines (which you can still do) or Blood Angels out of Codex Blood Angels for example.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:19:00
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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You might also want to point out that the supplement is still currently available for sale. It's not like we're discussing the viability of an out of print rules source. This is something you can buy from GW today.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Farsight-Enclaves.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:32:36
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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I think the only issue that you are going to see, is the conflicting rules.
Since Mont'ka reprinted the rules for taking FSE in your army and some of these rules are clearly different than that of the FSE: Supplement rules. Automatically Appended Next Post: For example.. under Montka you are not required to take a unit of 3 of crisis suits as troops. Simply, all crisis suits are now troops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:33:52
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lord of the Fleet
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gmaleron wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: Do any of the codexes or expansions say that they replace a previous version?
None, otherwise you couldn't run the White Scars or Raven Guard out of Codex Space Marines (which you can still do) or Blood Angels out of Codex Blood Angels for example.
But equally, when a new Space Marine codex comes out we know that it replaces the old one but the new codex doesn't say that.
As such, it's irrelevant that Mont'ka doesn't say that it supersedes Farsight Enclaves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:35:23
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Grizzyzz wrote:I think the only issue that you are going to see, is the conflicting rules.
Since Mont'ka reprinted the rules for taking FSE in your army and some of these rules are clearly different than that of the FSE: Supplement rules.
Maybe, however since a Campaign Book does not in any case invalidate a Codex if I chose to run a CAD detachment out of the Farsight Supplement the CAD would use the rules found in the Supplement. Likewise if I ran a Dawnblade Detachment out of the Mont'Ka Book I would have to follow the rules found in the Mont'Ka book for the FSE, even though I do feel an FAQ is needed in that regard.
Scott-S6 wrote:But equally, when a new Space Marine codex comes out we know that it replaces the old one but the new codex doesn't say that.
As such, it's irrelevant that Mont'ka doesn't say that it supersedes Farsight Enclaves.
Except for the fact that Mont'Ka is not a Codex, it is a Warzone Damocles Book. The fact it is not a new Codex means that it would not make the current one irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:40:40
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lord of the Fleet
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gmaleron wrote:
Maybe, however since a Campaign Book does not in any case invalidate a Codex
Firstly, where is that stated?
Secondly, Farsight Enclaves is NOT a codex - it's a supplement.
gmaleron wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:But equally, when a new Space Marine codex comes out we know that it replaces the old one but the new codex doesn't say that.
As such, it's irrelevant that Mont'ka doesn't say that it supersedes Farsight Enclaves.
Except for the fact that Mont'Ka is not a Codex, it is a Warzone Damocles Book. The fact it is not a new Codex means that it would not make the current one irrelevant.
You're missing the point. You imply a significance to Mont'ka not saying that it replaces Farsight Enclaves but none of the codexes or expansions state that even when they clearly do replace a previous version. As such, this isn't evidence either way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:43:14
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Ok so my other counterpoint... Sorry I am intentionally playing devils advocate here....
Kauyon and Montka bring new rules to the table. Such that they specifically override rules in the 6ed Tau codex.. which you can still use in combination with the new campaign books.
I view this then, that montka being 7ed would override specific rules where different from the FSE: supplement then.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well the only thing with what I just said was Montka references codex tau empire .. rather then codex supplement FSE..
but then codex supplement FSE also references codex tau empire >_>
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:44:51
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Scott-S6 wrote:Do any of the codexes or expansions say that they replace a previous version?
Only one I know of specifically was Codex: Space Marines 6th Edition in regards to Codex: Black Templar. It stated to treat all previous references to Codex: Black Templar as coming from to referenced Codex: Space Marines (Black Templar Chapter Tactics).
gmaleron wrote:Except for the fact that Mont'Ka is not a Codex, it is a Warzone Damocles Book. The fact it is not a new Codex means that it would not make the current one irrelevant.
Nor is Farsight Enclaves a codex.
Still, going by Codex: Imperial Guard and Codex: Eldar, I'd wait until we see the supplement's sale stop before calling FSE dead.
Of course, there are also the 'Hunter codices as well. Never fully replaced in name, but replaced in spirit by Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Sisters of Battle/Adeptus Sororitas, Codex: Inquisition, and Codex: Assassins.
Still, if you want to use older books, check with the game organizers, some just may not allow it all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:57:23
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The point im making is that it is not considered old and is still viable today, the Farsight Enclaves Supplement I mean. When Codex: Tau Empire got updated they said you could keep your current 6ed. Tau Codex and just pick up Kyuon for the new Units and Formations. And since the Farsight Enclaves Supplement States:
"A Farsight Enclaves army is chosen using the army list presented in Codex: Tau Empire. It also has a series of supplemental rules (presented below) that can be used in addition to the material found in Codex: Tau Empire. Note that you can only use the options from one codex supplement when choosing your army."
This means that you can still field the Farsight Supplement in 7th Edition, also because they have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition currently.
Grizzyzz wrote:Kauyon and Montka bring new rules to the table. Such that they specifically override rules in the 6ed Tau codex.. which you can still use in combination with the new campaign books. I view this then, that montka being 7ed would override specific rules where different from the FSE: supplement then.
What rules do they bring that override what is found in the Tau Codex? Because you can still use your current 6ed Tau Codex to this day, if you want to run any of the new units or Formations you would just have to pick up Kyuon Campaign book to get the rules, which was clearly stated in the release by GW and in the White Dwarf.
Scott-S6 wrote: You're missing the point. You imply a significance to Mont'ka not saying that it replaces Farsight Enclaves but none of the codexes or expansions state that even when they clearly do replace a previous version. As such, this isn't evidence either way.
Except there is, no one is questioning wether or not the Raven Guard or White Scars can or cannot be taken from the current Space Marine Codex, why should the Farsight Enclaves Supplement face that scrutiny when they are in the same situation as them? And with rules found in their Supplemental Book that allows them to be played in 7th Edition, including an FAQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 18:58:36
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lieutenant General
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Grizzyzz wrote:Kauyon and Montka bring new rules to the table. Such that they specifically override rules in the 6ed Tau codex...
Where has GW ever said that new rules override old rules?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:01:08
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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gmaleron wrote: Grizzyzz wrote:Kauyon and Montka bring new rules to the table. Such that they specifically override rules in the 6ed Tau codex.. which you can still use in combination with the new campaign books. I view this then, that montka being 7ed would override specific rules where different from the FSE: supplement then.
What rules do they bring that override what is found in the Tau Codex? Because you can still use your current 6ed Tau Codex to this day, if you want to run any of the new units or Formations you would just have to pick up Kyuon Campaign book to get the rules, which was clearly stated in the release by GW and in the White Dwarf.
Precisely what I mean. You can still use your current 6ed codex, but there are additional rules that apply to them.. For example, Fireteam and MCs and vehicles being taken in squads.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:01:08
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Given that the majority of GW publications don't tell you what rules are invalidated, I prefer to use an in print/out of print system for determining active rules.
If a publication is in print, and there are no other in print publication telling us to ignore certain rules, the rules are considered active and valid.
If a publication is out of print and was published under a previous edition of the core rules, the rules are to be considered inactive and invalid. As an example, the most recent Codex: Eldar is out of print, and was originally published for Warhammer 40k 6th Edition. I would consider it invalid. The Stormclaw campaign box is out of print, but was published for 7th Edition. I would consider it still valid. When a new edition of 40k comes out, it'll go invalid.
This is my system. There is no RaW to cover this, but my system seems to work pretty well.
The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:02:54
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lord of the Fleet
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gmaleron wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote: You're missing the point. You imply a significance to Mont'ka not saying that it replaces Farsight Enclaves but none of the codexes or expansions state that even when they clearly do replace a previous version. As such, this isn't evidence either way.
Except there is, no one is questioning wether or not the Raven Guard or White Scars can or cannot be taken from the current Space Marine Codex, why should the Farsight Enclaves Supplement face that scrutiny when they are in the same situation as them? And with rules found in their Supplemental Book that allows them to be played in 7th Edition, including an FAQ.
Really? Way to dodge the point, yet again. You can't claim significance to the lack of a statement when that statement is never present, even when a book is being replaced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:03:18
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
Scott-S6 wrote: Really? Way to dodge the point, yet again. You can't claim significance to the lack of a statement when that statement is never present, even when a book is being replaced.
Your not making any sense? No book was ever replaced. And I haven't dodged anything, I got when you said that "nothing is ever written that says its been replaced" however we are talking about how a Campaign Book (Warzone Book) does not mean you cannot run your army out of the armies intended Codex. It gives you options for different detachments and some new Formations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:05:00
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lord of the Fleet
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gmaleron wrote: Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
FSE is out of print in the UK. I would expect to see the digital version get pulled in the relatively near future.
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gmaleron wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: Really? Way to dodge the point, yet again. You can't claim significance to the lack of a statement when that statement is never present, even when a book is being replaced.
Your not making any sense? No book was ever replaced.
Let's make this really clear for you.
When a book comes out that DOES NOT replace a previous book it doesn't mention anything about replacing a previous version.
When a book comes out that DOES replace a previous book it doesn't mention anything about replacing a previous version.
This means that the fact the Mont'ka does not say that it replaces FSE doesn't add anything to the argument either way.
And, again, FSE is not a codex, it is a supplement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:07:16
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Scott-S6 wrote: gmaleron wrote: Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
FSE is out of print in the UK. I would expect to see the digital version get pulled in the relatively near future.
Are you sure? Because you can still download the digital version which means it is still in print, and in the USA the Softback copy is still available. Also have to remember that there is rumors of a new Farsight Supplement coming in January which is why the Softback is sold out on the UK site.
Scott-S6 wrote:
When a book comes out that DOES NOT replace a previous book it doesn't mention anything about replacing a previous version.
When a book comes out that DOES replace a previous book it doesn't mention anything about replacing a previous version.
This means that the fact the Mont'ka does not say that it replaces FSE doesn't add anything to the argument either way.
I get what your saying and I have been understanding that, the point I am trying to make is that some people have said that Mont'Ka replaces the Codex which is why I brought the question up to begin with. And using the Space Marine Chapters that are also in the Campaign Books as examples (in regards to being able to be run out of their Codex or the Campaign Book) is what I was trying to point out. If they can do it why not the Farsight Enclaves? Not arguing your point, its why I brought the question up to begin with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:07:18
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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gmaleron wrote: Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
Scott-S6 wrote: Really? Way to dodge the point, yet again. You can't claim significance to the lack of a statement when that statement is never present, even when a book is being replaced.
Your not making any sense? No book was ever replaced.
I would agree with the bit about the FAQ. Given that there is an update to Farsight Enclaves for 7th Edition, I would effectively consider it + the FAQ to be a 7th Edition era publication. I didn't realize there was an FAQ. I have the iBooks version, which periodically auto updates... which makes tracking the changes a little challenging.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:09:40
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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gmaleron wrote: Scott-S6 wrote: gmaleron wrote: Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
FSE is out of print in the UK. I would expect to see the digital version get pulled in the relatively near future.
Are you sure? Because you can still download the digital version which means it is still in print, and in the USA the Softback copy is still available. Also have to remember that there is rumors of a new Farsight Supplement coming in January which is why the Softback is sold out on the UK site.
Yep, the physical book is gone in the UK and will not be returning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:09:48
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Scott-S6 wrote: gmaleron wrote: Kriswall wrote: The Farsight Enclaves book is still valid as it's still in print. If it goes out of print, it'll instantly become invalid as it was published for 6th Edition.
Don't forget that they actually have an FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves to be played in 7th Edition as the book did come out in 6th if I am not mistaken. So if the book is in Print and has an updated FAQ I would think it is still viable to be played.
FSE is out of print in the UK. I would expect to see the digital version get pulled in the relatively near future.
Even when there is a physical edition still available?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:11:21
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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^^ That is for the United States, not the United Kingdom. However the UK does have a Digital Copy available which still means it is in print.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:13:28
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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True, but when they decide that they won't be printing any more physical copies that usually means that the writing is on the wall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:13:44
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Try it at a tourney and see what's happens. I wouldn't let you use it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:17:56
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Scott-S6 wrote:True, but when they decide that they won't be printing any more physical copies that usually means that the writing is on the wall.
It does, however it coincides with the rumors of an updated Farsight Enclaves Supplement.
Ceaser wrote:Try it at a tourney and see what's happens. I wouldn't let you use it.
For what reason?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:29:56
Subject: The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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gmaleron wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:True, but when they decide that they won't be printing any more physical copies that usually means that the writing is on the wall.
It does, however it coincides with the rumors of an updated Farsight Enclaves Supplement.
Either it's going away and it will be clear that Mont'ka replaced it or we're going to get a new FSE supplement (which will, presumably, contain the exact same rules as Mont'ka) and it will be clear that FSE is replaced.
The result will be the same either way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:33:19
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Out of curiosity, what rule are you trying to use from the Supplement that is not covered (or nerfed maybe) in Mont'ka?
I can't remember anything that would make a difference in a game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:38:48
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Lusiphur wrote:Out of curiosity, what rule are you trying to use from the Supplement that is not covered (or nerfed maybe) in Mont'ka?
I can't remember anything that would make a difference in a game.
I'd guess taking members of the Eight (other than Farsight) without taking all of them (which basically means you'll almost never take them).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/21 19:49:17
Subject: Re:The Farsight Supplement is Still Legal
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Scott-S6 wrote:Lusiphur wrote:Out of curiosity, what rule are you trying to use from the Supplement that is not covered (or nerfed maybe) in Mont'ka?
I can't remember anything that would make a difference in a game.
I'd guess taking members of the Eight (other than Farsight) without taking all of them (which basically means you'll almost never take them).
That is one of them, also in the Farsight Enclaves Supplement it says Riptides can take Signature Systems like the Earth Caste Pilot Array which was designed for them. In the Mont'Ka book it doesn't say wether they can or cannot take Signture Systems so it leaves it up for debate. Personally I feel that a Signature System that is clearly designed for a particular unit that unit should be allowed to take it despite vague rules, however im doing this to basically avoid that drama. Its not the only reasons however, sometimes I want to just play a normal CAD with my Tau, especially in friendly games.
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