Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

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**LordofHats**

Apparently two more guys were arrested unrelated to the shoot out pull over in Burns. Throw in the other arrests that have happened these past two-three weeks, seems the FBI and law enforcement have been picking these guys up whenever they leave the safety of the Refuge.

The dead guy/gal is definitely on the Militia side of things. Their name hasn't been given out but the update in the above article reads; "One person, who was the subject of a federal probable cause arrest and has not yet been identified, died during the confrontation." Not clear if the FBI/Law Enforcement were expecting the Bundy brothers to be present and still no word on who shot the first shots.

**Ustrello**

It has already been confirmed who the dead militia member was, I posted it last page.

**LordofHats**

Ah. Sorry. Missed that.

**Ustrello**

No problem. Like I said though with his past comments it makes me believe that they shot first *insert solo/greedo meme here*

**LordofHats**

Well with the whole "we'll defend ourselves if you try to remove us' bit, it certainly seems probable that the Militia side would open up once a bunch of flashing red and blue lights came upon them.

Still. Might as well wait. There's gotta be dash cam footage of this.

**d-usa**

I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

**LordofHats**

d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Also probable and all the more reason not to jump to conclusions

EDIT: Apparently the injured party is Ryan Bundy, who suffered an unidentified but non-life threatening injury during the shooting.

**The Airman**

d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

So let's not jump to conclusions.

**d-usa**

The Airman wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

And nobody is surprised.

**Ustrello**

d-usa wrote:
The Airman wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

And nobody is surprised.

Its never the fault of the poor defenseless militia's!

**The Airman**

d-usa wrote:
The Airman wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

And nobody is surprised.

I certainly hope not! It's reasonably to wait for the full account on what occurred rather than burn calories by jumping to conclusions. That's quite a funny position you're taking.

**Ahtman**

The Airman wrote:
Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

So let's not jump to conclusions.

You realize saying things like "fedcoat" while calling for reason is a bit at odds?

**SilverMK2**

Wonder how long it will take for the rest of them to try and slink off from the refuge now El-Presidente has been caught.

**Ouze**

Perhaps the guy that got shot also had a BB gun.

He had 11 foster kids. What a dumb, stupid, idiotic way to throw your life away. These morons should surrender before anyone else gets hurt.

**Kilkrazy**

The basis of this kind of militia thinking is delusional. You can't expect expect them to behave like sensible people, and they haven't previously.

squidhills wrote:
I'm really glad these guys were arrested, but I'm much less happy that somebody got killed in the process. No matter what the circumstances of the death turn out to be, whether or not the shooting was entirely justified, the death of any of these goofballs at government hands will just feed into the "dystopian police state" delusion their supporters already have.

Sadly such events are practically inevitable when you have a group of people who have committed arrestable acts driving around armed, having said they will use violence against the legal authorities, and they are stopped by armed police wanting to arrest them.

There really isn't a way to stop this feeding into goofball paranoia because, as noted previously, such people are delusional.

**Ouze**

Reporting is that the FBI has given a 4am deadline for the rest of the Branch Dildonians to vacate the premises, which is 30 minutes from now.

Fark provided, along with that delightful name, a link to livestream reporting.

**Tannhauser42**

LordofHats wrote:

EDIT: Apparently the injured party is Ryan Bundy, who suffered an unidentified but non-life threatening injury during the shooting.

Is it too much to hope for it being something hilariously embarrassing like getting shot in the ass?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Somebody better wake up Kronk and tell him it's all over. He specifically asked for an alarm call!

On a more serious note, I hope this doesn't encourage other people to start shooting at government officials/law enforcement.

Get the feeling this incident might only add to the siege mentality of some people.

**kronk**

The Airman wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI shot first in response to one of them raising their weapons towards the officers.

Waiting on footage of the event to be released before I rely on Fedcoat word.

So let's not jump to conclusions.

Fedcoat.

You're a special kind of something.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Somebody better wake up Kronk and tell him it's all over. He specifically asked for an alarm call!

Huh, wha... *Hits alarm and goes back to sleep*

There, there Alyssa Milano. The bad guys are all gone. Again? If you in insist...

Zzzzzzzzzz....

**Mr. Burning**

So....Will 'the people' now rise up and throw of the federal shackles? Isnt this the clarion call these militia types dream and talk of?

**jhe90**

still got 10 or so held up armed to the teeth, with food, ammo and now paranoia overloaded as all leaders taken away and one dead.

its got more dangerous.

**Asherian Command**

jhe90 wrote:
still got 10 or so held up armed to the teeth, with food, ammo and now paranoia overloaded as all leaders taken away and one dead.

its got more dangerous.

Well all they have to do as the police is literally hunker down and siege the place, starving them of resources, turning off water, and power, cutting all areas around it off, and basically making the militia starve. By the time they surrendered they would of been weakened by it. Its brutal yes, but considering what these idiots have done......

**BrotherGecko**

Given the rhetoric I see from the right, pulling a gun on a federal agent or police officer, is all that is required for them to shoot to kill. Split second decisions and #bluelivesmatter and all that and a bag of potato chips.

I'd bet maybe a nickle (I'm a terrabad gambler) that they stepped out of their vehicle after being stopped with weapons in hand. Now I've been told that you should always cooperate with law enforcement even when innocent. Otherwise its your fault you get corpsed by an officer. I know it was advice for "thugs" to keep in mind but I assume it applies universally.

**Kilkrazy**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Somebody better wake up Kronk and tell him it's all over. He specifically asked for an alarm call!

On a more serious note, I hope this doesn't encourage other people to start shooting at government officials/law enforcement.

Get the feeling this incident might only add to the siege mentality of some people.

Weirdo delusional fabulists will make what they want out of any incident, so the forces of law and order will concentrate on carrying out matters in a way that makes sense to the general public.

**LordofHats**

BrotherGecko wrote:
Given the rhetoric I see from the right, pulling a gun on a federal agent or police officer, is all that is required for them to shoot to kill. Split second decisions and #bluelivesmatter and all that and a bag of potato chips.

I'd bet maybe a nickle (I'm a terrabad gambler) that they stepped out of their vehicle after being stopped with weapons in hand. Now I've been told that you should always cooperate with law enforcement even when innocent. Otherwise its your fault you get corpsed by an officer. I know it was advice for "thugs" to keep in mind but I assume it applies universally.

The updates have basically carried the story that when they were pulled over, they all cooperated with law enforcement save Ryan Bundy and the guy who was killed (so basically the two guys who got injured/shot weren't cooperating). There's still been no word on who shot first or what prompted the shooting.

**Scrabb**

Glad to hear no officers have been killed yet.

Throw the book at them.

**d-usa**

At least the bad guys still have other federal lands;

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/27/464490320/dispute-over-cattle-grazing-blocks-patrols-of-federal-land

**Kap'n Krump**

Slightly off topic - the first time I saw him, I thought his face looked odd, but I didn't want to mention it, but I'm seeing more and more pictures of ryan bundy and in every one it looks like someone slapped him in the face with a fish, and his face somehow froze that way.

Is that like a disease, or something? Or just really unfortunate (and repeated) photography? Sylvester Stallone's face is a little droopy because I read he had a minor stroke, or something, but this guy's face looks really weird.

On topic - if you're a crazed militiamen holed up in someone else's property, claiming you'd rather die than be captured, maybe don't give into that mcdonald's craving. And also probably don't resist arrest, given your stated intention to kill federal and local police officers.

**DarkTraveler777**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
Slightly off topic - the first time I saw him, I thought his face looked odd, but I didn't want to mention it, but I'm seeing more and more pictures of ryan bundy and in every one it looks like someone slapped him in the face with a fish, and his face somehow froze that way.

Is that like a disease, or something? Or just really unfortunate (and repeated) photography? Sylvester Stallone's face is a little droopy because I read he had a minor stroke, or something, but this guy's face looks really weird.

I just saw the mug shot of Ryan Bundy. My guess would be some kind of stroke might cause the drooping on the side of his face. I am not a doctor, though, so I may be completely wrong.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Saw this on Vox.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/26/10838390/oregon-militia-bundy-takeover

Eight members of the militia group that has occupied Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon have been arrested, including leader Ammon Bundy.

Bundy and four others, including his brother Ryan Bundy, were arrested after a traffic stop, which resulted in a gunfight. It's not clear who shot first.

Militia member Robert "LaVoy" Finicum was killed in the gunfire, and Ryan Bundy was shot in the arm.

Two other militia leaders were arrested separately, and a third, Jon Eric Ritzheimer, turned himself in to authorities in Arizona, according to the Los Angeles Times.

The arrested militia members face charges of attempting to impede a law enforcement officer by force, which is a federal felony.

The Bundys have led an occupation of the federal wildlife reserve since January 2, in protest of federal land use laws and government ownership of grazing lands.
What happens next?

There are still an unknown number of militia members occupying the main building of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. Oregon Public Broadcasting's John Sepulvado tweeted that they have decided to stay, and that the FBI has surrounded roads to the refuge.

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who is the father of arrested militia leaders Ammon and Ryan Bundy — and whose 2014 standoff with federal law enforcement agents was the precursor to the Oregon takeover — didn't seem to indicate that the occupation had come to an end with his son's arrest. In fact, he appeared to justify the death of the militia member who had been killed in the shootout.

Here's what Bundy said to the Los Angeles Times:

Cliven Bundy wrote:"We believe that those federal people shouldn’t even be there in that state, and be in that county and have anything to do with this issue. ... I have some sons and other people there trying to protect our rights and liberties and freedoms, and now we’ve got one killed, and all I can say is, he’s sacrificed for a good purpose."

While Cliven Bundy's comments imply that Finicum died defending the militia, however, the actual circumstances of his death are unclear. (Cliven Bundy is in Nevada and did not have direct knowledge of Finicum's death.)

According to supporters of the militia, Ammon Bundy said in a call to his wife that Finicum was killed after surrendering to police, and was shot while he was on the ground.

Early in the occupation, Finicum had made remarks that he would rather be killed than surrender: "There are things more important than your life and freedom is one of them," he told NBC News.

However, it's possible that over the course of the occupation he changed his mind. The last interview with Finicum, conducted with the Oregonian the day before his death, shows Finicum expressing concern about the ramped-up law enforcement presence around the refuge:

Robert Finicum wrote:"Have you felt the change of the tone and tenor of the FBI agents out there? We certainly have. We used to walk up to the feds and talk to agents in a friendly manner unarmed and stuff. But the tenor has changed. Now they have become more hardened. And when they step out of their vehicles, now they’re stepping out with their rifles and they’re not willing to engage in friendly dialogue.

And then I’m assuming you’re aware of all the extra vehicles that they’re bringing in and the increasing manpower that they’re ramping up. And we’re saying, why the rattling of sabers? Why, when we’re so far away from anybody out here in the middle of nowhere, why are you ramping it up? Why do you fly your planes above us nonstop?…They’re droning us now. And they’re flying their photographer planes.

They’re doing all the things that shows that they’re taking some kinetic action against us. And we’re saying, why be so unfriendly? Why are you so threatening? Why are you threatening lethal force when we’re so far away?"

How the mighty have fallen. This group started with such bluster, and now just yesterday Finicum was wondering why the Feds were being so unfriendly?

**Kap'n Krump**

All things being considered, I feel as if the feds are being more than reasonable here. These guys have been squatting in property that does not belong to them for weeks now, and they're wondering why the police are being unfriendly?

If someone had been squatting in my home for 3+ weeks, I damn sure wouldn't be friendly with them.