Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2016/01/29 14:00:30
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2016/01/29 14:54:16
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Reading the review made me feel like this was bad Tom Clancy stuff.
DR:70+S+G-MB-I+Pwmhd05#+D++A+++/aWD100R++T(S)DM+++ Get your own Dakka Code!
"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
2016/01/29 14:59:32
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I've now seen many comments that this video is an indictment of pre-meditated murder on part of the FBI.
Like someone said, people still believe Sandyhook was a government op...
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
0018/01/29 15:30:08
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
hotsauceman1 wrote: So, yeah, the guy deserved it. He should have gotten out of the truck, laid on the snow and put his hands behind his head if he was surrendering. Can you blame the cops? with them hearing the Cop killing talk they kept bragging about?
....
I highly doubt that as keyed up as he was, he was thinking rationally any more than the officers were.
I find what you think of qualifying as 'deserved to be shot' a bit disturbing as well. I can understand why the officers did it, and don't find fault with them for it, but he did not 'deserve to be shot'. After all, if being an ignorant, loudmouthed, self righteous prick who threatens cops and other authority figures were a death sentence, the gas chambers and crematoria would have to run day and night to deal with 4chan alone.
He was going for a gun after claiming for weeks now that he'd rather die than go to jail and threatening to kill cops. The only way this shooting could have possibly been more justifiable is if he had actually managed to kill a cop or two before going down.
When it came to it, he really did prefer death to jail - at the least, he was a man of his word. I could probably respect that more if his dying act wasn't actively trying to kill police officers. Good riddance.
(full disclosure, my brother is a highway patrolman like the kind he almost ran over, so I'm probably a little biased).
Automatically Appended Next Post: I actually just watched the video of the shooting.
If I'm being honest, the trooper he almost ran over looks like that was on the trooper. He ran out from behind a car and got in front of the speeding truck.
But then, the stupid SOB obviously, OBVIOUSLY, reaches into his jacket no fewer than three separate times. The last one, where he's shot, it could not be more clear that he's reaching for something big. There's no audio, but I assume that the police officers warned him the first two times.
Protip: If you don't want to be shot by cops, don't reach into your jacket. Keep your hands visible at all times. If you do need something in your jacket or pants, like a wallet for ID, ask permission.
This goes double if you're a gun-crazed militiamen leader - who again, was confirmed to be holding a loaded, concealed pistol.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2016/01/29 16:06:26
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." Words to live by.
2016/01/29 16:14:00
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
But then, the stupid SOB obviously, OBVIOUSLY, reaches into his jacket no fewer than three separate times. The last one, where he's shot, it could not be more clear that he's reaching for something big. There's no audio, but I assume that the police officers warned him the first two times.
Protip: If you don't want to be shot by cops, don't reach into your jacket. Keep your hands visible at all times. If you do need something in your jacket or pants, like a wallet for ID, ask permission.
This goes double if you're a gun-crazed militiamen leader - who again, was confirmed to be holding a loaded, concealed pistol.
But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him. "Comply or die" only applies to dangerous unarmed minorities...
The double standard from the militia people is staggering. This whole situation shows the disparity on how people are treated. These guys pushed every limit and kept pushing farther and farther and got away with it solely on the fact they were white. Eventually it had to end. I am surprised only one of them died in that whole situation. Everything I have seen it looks like this was probably the least destructive way to end this whole situation, and while it had a loss of life, I think they did a good job in trying to keep it from escalating into an all out firefight this way opposed to doing it at the occupied location.
My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA."
2016/01/29 17:57:34
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Again, failure to actually read my posts in order to fit *your* narrative.
No, I read your post. It was wrong. Sharp's testimony was not consistent with it, it's pretty clear that she was coached and had her words heavily edited.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2016/01/29 18:43:23
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I think it can be argued that the light touch on the part of the feds
was due to the presence of weapons.
It can be argued. I don't know if I believe it entirely.
If the minority protestors showed up anywhere armed to the teeth,
the public would be calling for a nuclear strike.
DR:70+S+G-MB-I+Pwmhd05#+D++A+++/aWD100R++T(S)DM+++ Get your own Dakka Code!
"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
2016/01/29 18:54:21
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
If I'm being honest, the trooper he almost ran over looks like that was on the trooper. He ran out from behind a car and got in front of the speeding truck.
Probably from the trooper's angle of view it looked like the approaching car would hit the vehicle he was hiding behind and ram it into him.
I don't remember any calls for nuclear strikes and drones against the Malheur Visitors Centre occupiers.
Perhaps it is the sort of comment that might bandied about by swivel-eyed froth-mouthed loopies that don't represent anything but the most extreme opinions.
Gerry Costa • 10 months ago
These jerkoffs are allowed to roam free in America ???? A B52 strike might disperse the marchers
regulus30 • 10 months ago
These pukes are not going to like what happens next. LOCK N LOAD American Patriots.
bee • 10 months ago
you black scumbags want a war. its time to wipe your asses off the face of the earth. count on it.
Robert • 10 months ago
If these thugs are openly carrying rifles and threatening? tTe National Guard ought to be called out. I'm sure the bunch are convicted felons that should not own/carry weapons in defiance of fed law
.
I'm sure I can find many, many, many more like that but honestly I feel like reading Inforwars comments might not be the best use of mine or anyone else's time.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/29 19:58:34
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
2016/01/29 19:58:25
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
If I'm being honest, the trooper he almost ran over looks like that was on the trooper. He ran out from behind a car and got in front of the speeding truck.
Probably from the trooper's angle of view it looked like the approaching car would hit the vehicle he was hiding behind and ram it into him.
That was my thought as well.
2016/01/29 20:00:21
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
malfred wrote: I think it can be argued that the light touch on the part of the feds was due to the presence of weapons.
It can be argued. I don't know if I believe it entirely.
If the minority protestors showed up anywhere armed to the teeth, the public would be calling for a nuclear strike.
Sure it would. Not like any minority groups have ever gunned up and called for killing cops.
I don't remember any calls for 'nuclear strikes' or 'droning them' or what ever to be honest. Maybe I missed it.
Oh? Really?
Because Fox News and the people who love them wanted the Black Panthers labeled as a terrorist group.
And? Several folks have labeled these militia crazies as terrorists too.
And called explicitly for killing them.
Do you want to share the videos of Fox and their lovers calling to 'drone' or other wise kill the NBP marchers who were armed?
Too many folks are making statements that minorities would have been killed if they did exactly what these militia are doing. Not folks would have 'called for their deaths' but flat out stating they WOULD have been killed. I continue to say that is BS. Because it is.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/29 20:01:33
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2016/01/29 20:14:10
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
And? Several folks have labeled these militia crazies as terrorists too.
And called explicitly for killing them.
Do you want to share the videos of Fox and their lovers calling to 'drone' or other wise kill the NBP marchers who were armed?
Why bother? You've clearly got a case of persecution complex here.
Too many folks are making statements that minorities would have been killed if they did exactly what these militia are doing. Not folks would have 'called for their deaths' but flat out stating they WOULD have been killed. I continue to say that is BS. Because it is.
You can say it is BS, but the fact that you have an inordinate amount of minorities being killed in confrontations with police begs to differ with your statement.
2016/01/29 20:42:49
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
hotsauceman1 wrote: So, yeah, the guy deserved it. He should have gotten out of the truck, laid on the snow and put his hands behind his head if he was surrendering. Can you blame the cops? with them hearing the Cop killing talk they kept bragging about?
....
I highly doubt that as keyed up as he was, he was thinking rationally any more than the officers were.
I find what you think of qualifying as 'deserved to be shot' a bit disturbing as well. I can understand why the officers did it, and don't find fault with them for it, but he did not 'deserve to be shot'. After all, if being an ignorant, loudmouthed, self righteous prick who threatens cops and other authority figures were a death sentence, the gas chambers and crematoria would have to run day and night to deal with 4chan alone.
There's a big difference between making a threat and almost running over a trooper while trying to run a roadblock and then reaching into your jacket where your gun is. .
2016/01/29 20:45:25
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
If I'm being honest, the trooper he almost ran over looks like that was on the trooper. He ran out from behind a car and got in front of the speeding truck.
Probably from the trooper's angle of view it looked like the approaching car would hit the vehicle he was hiding behind and ram it into him.
That was my thought as well.
That's a good point - I guess a parked vehicle seems a whole lot less secure when a crazed gunman's truck is careening toward it. Guess he just picked the wrong way to dodge. Don't think he got hit, though, which is good.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/29 20:51:06
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." Words to live by.
2016/01/29 21:19:12
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
nkelsch wrote: But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him.
We are definitely remiss when not considering the possibility he was simply reaching for a concealed dildo.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
2016/01/29 21:23:02
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
nkelsch wrote: But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him.
We are definitely remiss when not considering the possibility he was simply reaching for a concealed dildo.
Attempted assault?
2016/01/29 21:28:00
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
nkelsch wrote: But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him.
We are definitely remiss when not considering the possibility he was simply reaching for a concealed dildo.
But he was reaching in to his jacket, not his pants.....
2016/01/29 21:51:56
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
nkelsch wrote: But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him.
We are definitely remiss when not considering the possibility he was simply reaching for a concealed dildo.
But he was reaching in to his jacket, not his pants.....
Different strokes for different folks.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
1516/01/29 21:56:47
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I dunno, man. I drive and and deliver for a living, and when I slip on the ice in crappy parking lots I know I commonly thrust my right hand into the left side of my jacket at hip level for balance.
Must be what he was doing. It's just bad luck that location also happens to be where he kept a loaded firearm that he boasts about being happy to use, as well as almost just driving over an officer.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/29 21:58:13
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2016/01/29 22:00:24
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
hotsauceman1 wrote: So, yeah, the guy deserved it. He should have gotten out of the truck, laid on the snow and put his hands behind his head if he was surrendering. Can you blame the cops? with them hearing the Cop killing talk they kept bragging about?
....
I highly doubt that as keyed up as he was, he was thinking rationally any more than the officers were.
I find what you think of qualifying as 'deserved to be shot' a bit disturbing as well. I can understand why the officers did it, and don't find fault with them for it, but he did not 'deserve to be shot'. After all, if being an ignorant, loudmouthed, self righteous prick who threatens cops and other authority figures were a death sentence, the gas chambers and crematoria would have to run day and night to deal with 4chan alone.
He was going for a gun after claiming for weeks now that he'd rather die than go to jail and threatening to kill cops. The only way this shooting could have possibly been more justifiable is if he had actually managed to kill a cop or two before going down.
When it came to it, he really did prefer death to jail - at the least, he was a man of his word. I could probably respect that more if his dying act wasn't actively trying to kill police officers. Good riddance.
(full disclosure, my brother is a highway patrolman like the kind he almost ran over, so I'm probably a little biased).
Automatically Appended Next Post: I actually just watched the video of the shooting.
If I'm being honest, the trooper he almost ran over looks like that was on the trooper. He ran out from behind a car and got in front of the speeding truck.
But then, the stupid SOB obviously, OBVIOUSLY, reaches into his jacket no fewer than three separate times. The last one, where he's shot, it could not be more clear that he's reaching for something big. There's no audio, but I assume that the police officers warned him the first two times.
Protip: If you don't want to be shot by cops, don't reach into your jacket. Keep your hands visible at all times. If you do need something in your jacket or pants, like a wallet for ID, ask permission.
This goes double if you're a gun-crazed militiamen leader - who again, was confirmed to be holding a loaded, concealed pistol.
A good example of how cops feel about people they are dealing with putting their hands in their pockets is well illustrated in the video posted earlier of the drunk moron who was arrested at the gas station.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
malfred wrote: I think it can be argued that the light touch on the part of the feds
was due to the presence of weapons.
It can be argued. I don't know if I believe it entirely.
If the minority protestors showed up anywhere armed to the teeth,
the public would be calling for a nuclear strike.
I think they learned some lessons with Waco and Ruby Ridge. As far as minority protestors remember that in Baltimore, they were given, "room to destroy".
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/29 22:04:21
2016/01/29 23:05:26
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
nkelsch wrote: But but... he's white! He should have been given every benefit of the doubt available!!! Hell, the FBI had bulletproof jackets, they should have waited for him to fire a shot to confirm his intentions before they executed him.
We are definitely remiss when not considering the possibility he was simply reaching for a concealed dildo.
