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Does this mean I have to send back the inflatable sheep doll I was gonna send them?

I'm sure you can find a good use for it.

Perhaps as a new design of four legged Chaos Titan.

 LordofHats wrote:



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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
And I'd be interested to know what was going on in the past couple weeks inside. I mean, did they have doubts about their plan? Did they think that maybe this wasn't going their way?

My guess is situational homosexuality.

Well, there probably wasn't much else to do with a cabin full of donated dildos and lube!

 Ouze wrote:
Update from the Dildopolis: Welfare Rancher Queen Cliven Bundy has called on the holdouts to disband and leave. 3 of the holdouts have since surrendered and were charged with the rest of the militants.

No word on the status of the 55 gallon drum of lube.

Additionally, word on one of the militia's facebooks is reinforcements are inbound!



It's fun to pretend sometimes, isn't it?

Well, gak. They already have a Green Beret Col. with "sealed" records. A group of honest to heavens, no gak folks, they really are, believe me, "SEALs" will add nicely to the mix.


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sirlynchmob wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Update from the Dildopolis: Welfare Rancher Queen Cliven Bundy has called on the holdouts to disband and leave. 3 of the holdouts have since surrendered and were charged with the rest of the militants.

No word on the status of the 55 gallon drum of lube.

Additionally, word on one of the militia's facebooks is reinforcements are inbound!

Spoiler:

It's fun to pretend sometimes, isn't it?

LOL
He'll be waiting a long time for the fake seals to show up and help. Retired navy seal, the goto pretend job of all those stealing valor. Don Shipley is going to have a field day with these clowns.

Don Shipley is hilarious the way he tears these people down. Apparently someone photoshopped their face over a picture of one of his buds that had been killed in action. Do ya think Don was a lil' pissed?


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 Fenriswulf wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMP7OsqWq8

Big tough guy yesterday, telling people to shoot the police and FBI at roadblocks and to come and join them, is today blubbing and crying, begging to be allowed to leave without the FBI bringing him in on a felony warrant, nor to search any of the people at the refuge, and basically pretend nothing actually happened at all.

They were just on a camping trip, honest!

Also, look at the state of mess they have made in the refuge. It's been turned into an absolute rubbish dump by these idiots.

The youtube channel "defendyourbase" is legit and is from one of the guys holed up there, David Fry. I think he has some actual mental health issues, and just wanted some people to actually acknowledge he exists. Thing is, the kinds of people he is holed up with wouldn't give a damn about him in any other circumstance. They are no real friends of his.

Melodramatic feth. I was just waiting for him to say he was fighting so his kids didn't have to. I swear, you could make a bingo card out the go to phrases militia members use.

Relapse wrote:
Update from the Dildopolis: Welfare Rancher Queen Cliven Bundy has called on the holdouts to disband and leave. 3 of the holdouts have since surrendered and were charged with the rest of the militants.

No word on the status of the 55 gallon drum of lube.

Additionally, word on one of the militia's facebooks is reinforcements are inbound!



It's fun to pretend sometimes, isn't it?

Well, gak. They already have a Green Beret Col. with "sealed" records. A group of honest to heavens, no gak folks, they really are, believe me, "SEALs" will add nicely to the mix.
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Actually, renting a small plane for jumping isn't too hard to do.

Unless the FAA put out a NOTAM for a no fly zone around the area, you can probably fly through with no problem as well.

Not that I believe a group of retired SEALs is going to do so for these guys.

And, the FAA did issue a no fly zone. Not sure if it was just for that one night or what though.

 Ouze wrote:
And, the FAA did issue a no fly zone. Not sure if it was just for that one night or what though.

I'm not surprised. They would want to keep media/press 'copters, planes and drones out of the AO.

 LordofHats wrote:

But Finicum, with police in hot pursuit, attempted to leave the main road and drove into a snow bank. When he emerged from the vehicle, FBI and state police ordered him to surrender. That's when, authorities say, Finicum reached down toward his waistband where he had a gun.

The SWAT team opened fire. Finicum was killed. Ryan Bundy suffered a light wound on his arm.

The shooting was captured on camera by the SWAT team. FBI and Oregon police officials are discussing possibly releasing the video, in part to counter claims by supporters that Finicum was gunned down while trying to surrender.

I really don't want to be morbid, but if they have the footage, can they at least show it to reporters so they can offer their thoughts on it XD Even I, as someone who thinks these guys are complete jack asses, would like some outside confirmation of the contents.

As you wish:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/28/fbi-releases-video-shooting-death-oregon-protester/79490322/



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 CptJake wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
And, the FAA did issue a no fly zone. Not sure if it was just for that one night or what though.

I'm not surprised. They would want to keep media/press 'copters, planes and drones out of the AO.

From the above link it looks like they had their own birds in the air and probably also wanted to minimize interference there.


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From the video it seems like he definitely left the truck with his hands in the air, and nobody was shooting him then. And then he made multiple quick reaches into his pocket before they opened fire.

Looks like he almost took out an agent driving into the snow bank.

Yeah almost purposely running over an agent and then reaching your hands into your pockets quickly, it was his own damn fault.

 d-usa wrote:

From the video it seems like he definitely left the truck with his hands in the air, and nobody was shooting him then. And then he made multiple quick reaches into his pocket before they opened fire.

Looks like he almost took out an agent driving into the snow bank.

State trooper.


Unedited version.




Yeah, he gets out of his car, hands up, then it looks like he loses his footing in the snow, takes his hands down, and then gets shot by the guy behind him, the way he turns toward the sound before he drops.

Ehh.... I can't find fault with the officers here, they'd have been pretty keyed up the way he came at the roadblock with the truck and would be justified in assuming he was armed. I don't see the gun they claim he had, and I don't see him specifically reach for anything, so what the female witness said mostly pans out as the truth, probably as far as what she could see from inside the truck went. It's hard to tell when the shooting stops and starts with no audio.

So, yeah, the guy deserved it. He should have gotten out of the truck, laid on the snow and put his hands behind his head if he was surrendering. Can you blame the cops? with them hearing the Cop killing talk they kept bragging about?

He was reaching to his left side, commonly where right handed people keep guns.

 Ustrello wrote:
He was reaching to his left side, commonly where right handed people keep guns.

Twice.

After saying multiple times that he would not go down without a fight.

And while actually having a loaded gun.

But yeah, "he tripped".

Again, not surprised. It's almost like I imagined that releasing the video wouldn't really change much.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, yeah, the guy deserved it. He should have gotten out of the truck, laid on the snow and put his hands behind his head if he was surrendering. Can you blame the cops? with them hearing the Cop killing talk they kept bragging about?

....

I highly doubt that as keyed up as he was, he was thinking rationally any more than the officers were.

I find what you think of qualifying as 'deserved to be shot' a bit disturbing as well. I can understand why the officers did it, and don't find fault with them for it, but he did not 'deserve to be shot'. After all, if being an ignorant, loudmouthed, self righteous prick who threatens cops and other authority figures were a death sentence, the gas chambers and crematoria would have to run day and night to deal with 4chan alone.

Considering he was the only person in both vehicles unable to think rationally, maybe his choice to go all militia was a bad one.

 BaronIveagh wrote:


Yeah, he gets out of his car, hands up, then it looks like he loses his footing in the snow, takes his hands down, and then gets shot by the guy behind him, the way he turns toward the sound before he drops.

Ehh.... I can't find fault with the officers here, they'd have been pretty keyed up the way he came at the roadblock with the truck and would be justified in assuming he was armed. I don't see the gun they claim he had, and I don't see him specifically reach for anything, so what the female witness said mostly pans out as the truth, probably as far as what she could see from inside the truck went. It's hard to tell when the shooting stops and starts with no audio.

He was clearly digging in his coat for something. CLEARLY. Even from the helicopter's vantage point you can tell.

Admit this.

 d-usa wrote:
Again, not surprised. It's almost like I imagined that releasing the video wouldn't really change much.

I'll admit I was hoping for better quality film. I've got this thing blown up pretty big, and I'm not seeing his hands disappear, and I'm not seeing the gun. It may be there, it may not be. As I said, the police were justified in shooting him, regardless.

But you won't read that last part as it does not fit the narrative you like to push on me.

Oh, and I'm still waiting, btw, for the 'I'm sorry, Baron, you were right, the video actually bares out most (thought not all) of what the female witness in the car said and we were wrong to embrace second and third hand reports that bore little resemblance at all to the events."


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 kronk wrote:

He was clearly digging in his coat for something. CLEARLY. Even from the helicopter's vantage point you can tell.

Admit this.

With this video quality we can't make out his HEAD clearly. I'm not gonna say what he was doing with his hands until we get something a little clearer. The way his legs and body move though on the snowbank, however, that's him losing his footing.

That snow really made the black SS uniforms pop though, lovely.

Hands up, they go back down and right hand goes to left side. The hands jerk back up a tiny bit, then the right goes back to the left side for a good second/second and a half and he is shot. I literally do not get how you don't see that Baron.

 d-usa wrote:
That snow really made the black SS uniforms pop though, lovely.

You know that SS field gear was actually feldgrau, right? Only the dress uniform was black.


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 Ustrello wrote:
I literally do not get how you don't see that Baron.

Because he turns away from the camera. All i can see are his elbows, though his left hand does reach for something on his left side, though we can't tell (no sound) if this is because he was just shot there, or if he was going for a gun. Without sound, we can't tell when the shooting starts, only see when he falls down. I'm reviewing the unedited film on a damn near seven foot screen, and not seeing the level of detail you're talking about.

Then your "seven foot screen" either has two pixels for the entire thing or you are being obtuse on purpose because you were wrong about the big bad federal government.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
...so what the female witness said mostly pans out as the truth, probably as far as what she could see from inside the truck went. It's hard to tell when the shooting stops and starts with no audio.

No, it was utter bs. The guy wasn't on his knees, and clearly reached for his waist before being shot. If, as she said, she was down on the floorboards she couldn't have seen anything; any testimony she provides is what she was told to provide.

d-usa wrote:It won't matter what the camera shows to these guys. This will continue.

d-usa wrote:Everyone should just consider if it's worth their time to try and argue with someone who is seriously considering a reality where the FBI kills people in the street SS style as the truth.

Wise words.

You can't make someone see something they don't really want to.

Anyway, imo it was a righteous shoot. I think he was pretty clearly reaching in his waist/pocket for something, and that coupled with his many previous statements that he wouldn't be taken alive gives the police at least some leeway, in my opinion, to open up even before they see a gun. He had a lot of opportunity to surrender peacefully right up to the end there, even with the cop he nearly killed with his vehicle at the roadblock there.

Interestingly he clearly did have his arms in the air briefly, so witnesses may not have been lying per se, they may simply not have seen it all (or embellished the truth with a lie of omission)... What's with her being on the floorboards? I missed that.


Anyway, what's the saying? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 dogma wrote:
No, it was utter bs. The guy wasn't on his knees, and clearly reached for his waist before being shot. If, as she said, she was down on the floorboards she couldn't have seen anything; any testimony she provides is what she was told to provide.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
“He’s like, just shoot me then, just shoot me — and they did, they shot him dead,” Sharp said. “They shot him right there, he was just walking — I saw it. I swear to God, he was just walking with his hands in the air.” supposed witness Victoria Sharp.

Again, failure to actually read my posts in order to fit *your* narrative.


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 Ustrello wrote:
Then your "seven foot screen" either has two pixels for the entire thing or you are being obtuse on purpose because you were wrong about the big bad federal government.

Huh? I don't give a gak about the the US Fed beyond atm they sign my pay checks.

Are you a member of the Seneca Nation of Indians?

Is that where your FedCoat hatred comes from?

Are you vision impaired? You started gaming in 1981. If you were 20 then, then you're 75 now? I dunno. I'm not good with the maths.

I am good at knowing the difference between stumbling, kneeling, and trying to pull a gun on an officer. I have all 27 seasons of COPs on DVD.

And they keep getting funnier, every time I see it!

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Well, gak. They already have a Green Beret Col. with "sealed" records. A group of honest to heavens, no gak folks, they really are, believe me, "SEALs" will add nicely to the mix.

I think it is important to note that "SEAL" is not capitalised in those tweets.

So they are not getting commandos but are actually getting some highly trained aquatic mammals from the US Navy's Marine Biology research division.

Now, this raises the question of where one of the militia members learned to speak seal...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Now, this raises the question of where one of the militia members learned to speak seal...

Must be in one of the sealed parts of their records

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/29/us/lavoy-finicum-chase-timeline/index.html

A better timeline of the whole event.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Now, this raises the question of where one of the militia members learned to speak seal...

Must be in one of the sealed parts of their records

Why is it any militia member I knew who claimed to be in some form of special forces or operations told me their records were sealed?