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2016/02/03 23:21:51
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Relapse wrote: Which is ironic, since the tribes were warring against each other and taking each other's lands before White people showed up on the continent.
Things people say to justify colonial thinking for $200 Alex.
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2016/02/04 05:57:12
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Relapse wrote: Which is ironic, since the tribes were warring against each other and taking each other's lands before White people showed up on the continent.
Things people say to justify colonial thinking for $200 Alex.
No justification in what the Whites did, it was a series of atrocities, one piled on the other that shame us as a nation. The thing is, though, the tribes were no angels when it came to making war on each other, and to paint them as helpless innocents is revisionist. The Aztec Empire, for example well illustrates my statement.
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2016/02/04 06:06:19
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Relapse wrote: Which is ironic, since the tribes were warring against each other and taking each other's lands before White people showed up on the continent.
Things people say to justify colonial thinking for $200 Alex.
No justification in what the Whites did, it was a series of atrocities, one piled on the other that shame us as a nation. The thing is, though, the tribes were no angels when it came to making war on each other, and to paint them as helpless innocents is revisionist. The Aztec Empire, for example well illustrates my statement.
Plus the various tribes were more than happy to sell each other out. And the vast majority of natives were killed by disease, which would have happened weather relations were peaceful or not.
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Relapse wrote: Which is ironic, since the tribes were warring against each other and taking each other's lands before White people showed up on the continent.
Things people say to justify colonial thinking for $200 Alex.
No justification in what the Whites did, it was a series of atrocities, one piled on the other that shame us as a nation. The thing is, though, the tribes were no angels when it came to making war on each other, and to paint them as helpless innocents is revisionist. The Aztec Empire, for example well illustrates my statement.
Right, what with those firearms they had and all those horses. Certainly not helpless innocents.
2016/02/04 08:20:15
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
The tribes where not entirely innocent in the events, there was bad on both sides. The various germs, virus and such the Natives had zero resistance to. What was a few weeks rest for a white, could kill them.
Admitaly, small pox blankets never help
They knew Native Americans had no resistance so exploited that one.
History is never 100% cut and dried.
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2016/02/04 14:00:02
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
jhe90 wrote: The tribes where not entirely innocent in the events, there was bad on both sides. The various germs, virus and such the Natives had zero resistance to. What was a few weeks rest for a white, could kill them.
Admitaly, small pox blankets never help
They knew Native Americans had no resistance so exploited that one.
History is never 100% cut and dried.
Exactly. The tribes were slaughtering each other and taking over land when ever they had the chance before the Whites came. The Whites exploited this, as Templar said, along with using other advantages.
This is not me excusing the many disgraceful things that happened to the tribes here, but I am just pointing out that we shouldn't be thinking bad stuff didn't happen here before our ancestors arrived.
2016/02/04 14:05:52
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
2016/02/05 22:51:18
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Did you? I haven't seen any updates on this in like a week, or however long since Captain Doughboy went on that rant and then the dance-and-apology the next day.
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2016/02/06 00:27:17
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Final Oregon Refuge Occupiers Plan To Surrender After FBI Moves In During a phone call Wednesday night, the four remaining holdouts at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge discussed surrendering.
Late Wednesday night, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was also arrested in Portland.
Originally posted on Feb. 10, 2016, at 8:27 p.m.
Updated on Feb. 11, 2016, at 1:22 a.m.
FBI agents surrounded the four remaining occupiers at the federal wildlife refuge in Oregon Wednesday, prompting a tense standoff as a Nevada lawmaker raced to the scene to act as a negotiator.
Audio of the standoff was streamed on the YouTube channel of a supporter of the occupiers, who was on the phone with the holdouts as FBI agents reportedly moved to within 50 yards of their positions.
On the livestream, Nevada assemblywoman Michele Fiore — who has expressed support for the occupiers — could be heard telling the four holdouts that she was en route to the refuge from Portland and would arrive around 1 a.m. Both Fiore and one of the militants also discussed meeting with the FBI Thursday morning, and “turning themselves in” around 8 a.m.
Fiore also prayed with the occupiers, urged them to stay calm, and said she would negotiate with law enforcement.
In an unexpected development, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy — who is the father of Oregon militia leader Ammon Bundy — also was arrested Wednesday night at the Portland airport. The arrest came hours after the Bundy family posted a message to its Facebook page saying Cliven was headed to Burns, Oregon.
Authorities did not immediately say why Bundy was arrested, but Oregonian journalist Les Zaitz reported that it was over conspiracy charges stemming from his own 2014 standoff with federal officials in Nevada.
Four people remain at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where the FBI has reportedly surrounded them with vehicles. DefendYourBase / Via youtube.com
The four remaining occupiers at the Oregon refuge include David Fry, Sean Anderson, Sandy Anderson, and Jeff Banta. They have refused to leave the refuge despite calls from leader of the occupation Ammon Bundy.
The FBI confirmed in a statement its agents had surrounded the four remaining occupiers.
“We reached a point where it became necessary to take action in a way that best ensured the safety of those on the refuge, the law enforcement officers who are on scene, and the people of Harney County who live and work in this area,” Special Agent in Cahrge of the FBI in Oregon Greg Bretzing said in the statement.
One of the occupiers allegedly rode an ATV outside the barricades set up by the FBI surrounding the refuge, but drove away before agents were able to approach them.
Agents placed barricades ahead and behind the area where the four people are camping, according to the FBI.
“Negotiations between the occupiers and the FBI continue,” the FBI said. “No shots have been fired.”
In the live audio stream Wednesday evening, the occupiers could be heard shouting to the agents that had surrounded them, saying at one point that they were armed but wouldn’t fire first.
“You guys killed LaVoy,” Fry could be heard yelling, referring to the deadly shooting of occupier Robert LaVoy Finicum. “You let Obama bring terrorists into this country. You continue to let Hillary run for president.”
At another point, it seemed Fry was on the phone with an FBI negotiator, but the four continued to say they would not surrender.
“They don’t want a peaceful resolution. They want to kill us,” a woman who identified herself as Sandy Anderson said. “I’m not going to jail for standing up for my rights.”
Fiore continued talking to the occupiers after she arrived in Portland and began the five hour drive to the refuge, telling them she would walk them out of the refuge.
“I’m here, and I will not leave you in a prison cell,” she told them.
However, the four occupiers have not aired any intention of walking out. When an agent asked them to walk out without their weapons, they said they would not.
“Not without our weapons,” Sandy Anderson said. “We’re not leaving without our weapons.”
Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who also sparked another standoff with FBI agents in Nevada in 2014, posted in a message in Facebook he was headed to Burns as well.
The occupation has been ongoing since Jan. 2, when Cliven Bundy’s son, Ammon Bundy, and several other people headed to the rural community to protest the arrest of two local ranchers.
Some of the protesters then headed to the refuge, where they demanded federal lands be turned over to local ranchers.
On Jan. 26, authorities arrested the leaders of the occupation, and killed Robert LaVoy Finicum after he sped away as authorities tried to pull over his truck.
FBI officials said Finicum was reaching for his left side, where he had a 9 mm handgun, when he was shot by an Oregon State Police officer.
Sixteen people involved in the occupation have so far been indicted by a grand jury on federal charges.
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2016/02/11 09:43:26
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
[…] “You let Obama bring terrorists into this country. You continue to let Hillary run for president.”
Damn you fedcoats, you let Hillary run for president! How terrifyingly un-American of you. I thought that this country was the Land of the Free, not the Land of Hillary Clinton Running for President. What are you, socialists? ROFL USA.
Seriously, I cannot believe how many of you are seriously campaigning for the right of those people to own and carry guns. Beats me.
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2016/02/11 10:06:59
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
[…] “You let Obama bring terrorists into this country. You continue to let Hillary run for president.”
Damn you fedcoats, you let Hillary run for president! How terrifyingly un-American of you. I thought that this country was the Land of the Free, not the Land of Hillary Clinton Running for President. What are you, socialists?
ROFL USA.
Seriously, I cannot believe how many of you are seriously campaigning for the right of those people to own and carry guns. Beats me.
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2016/02/11 10:09:26
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Just read on the internet that Bundy patriarch Cliven Bundy got himself arrested at an Oregon airport as he was on his way up to the standoff site. Which begs the question... why? They were already looking to surrender. What was he going to do? Make racist comments about how blacks were better under segregation so that the four remaining holdouts felt even more embarrassed to be there? I mean, if he was on his way to visit his sons in Federal lockup, I could understand it... but going to the standoff as it was winding down just seems like a desperate attempt to be relevant again.
But hey, at least they arrested him! A year and a half late is better than never!
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2016/02/11 12:41:28
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I believe the USA has a statute of limitations so that if you evade the long arm of the law for seven years, you are let off most crimes and misdemeanours, though not big ones like murder and treason.
Was it wrong for the police to have arrested Cliveden Bundy for alleged crimes committed 18 months ago that he is still wanted for?
In an unexpected development, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy — who is the father of Oregon militia leader Ammon Bundy — also was arrested Wednesday night at the Portland airport. The arrest came hours after the Bundy family posted a message to its Facebook page saying Cliven was headed to Burns, Oregon.
Authorities did not immediately say why Bundy was arrested, but Oregonian journalist Les Zaitz reported that it was over conspiracy charges stemming from his own 2014 standoff with federal officials in Nevada.
Good. Throw the book at him. Glad they got him without a shoot out.
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2016/02/11 13:16:10
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Kilkrazy wrote: I believe the USA has a statute of limitations so that if you evade the long arm of the law for seven years, you are let off most crimes and misdemeanours, though not big ones like murder and treason.
Was it wrong for the police to have arrested Cliveden Bundy for alleged crimes committed 18 months ago that he is still wanted for?
The statute of limitations varies depending on what crime was committed (rape being longer than theft, etc). And no, it's perfectly fine to wait to arrest someone until doing so isn't a danger to law enforcement or anyone else. Leaving his ranch was definitely a mistake on his part.
2016/02/11 13:39:30
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Kilkrazy wrote: I believe the USA has a statute of limitations so that if you evade the long arm of the law for seven years, you are let off most crimes and misdemeanours, though not big ones like murder and treason.
Statute of limitations doesn't work like that.
The statute of limitations refers to the amount of time that can pass before criminal proceedings can be initiated; ie charges filed against you. Once those charges are filed, they don't go away unless the court decides to dismiss them.
Was it wrong for the police to have arrested Cliven Bundy for alleged crimes committed 18 months ago that he is still wanted for?
The TLDR version? Nope!
The more explain-y version is that as long as charges have been filed within a reasonable amount of time for the crime he is accused of committing, then the arrest is good.
2016/02/11 13:40:17
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I wonder if they realized that letting Bundy get away with it for this long encouraged the kind of behavior that resulted in the siege, so they arrested him now.