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Sigh.

That Michone may see me walking away from this one... It may be dead to me..

I was gonna make one out of my WGF survivors and stopped when I heard about this... Now I'm not so sure I couldn't just do a better job myself. Beyond the chunk legs the katana is unreasonably broad and her pose is boring. For a model I was really excited to be getting....not ecstatic about Michone.

I would be inclined to drop out and come back around 48 hour notice but the money the early bird saves almost covers the estimated shipping. Guess I'll squat on it but...losing my interest.

I like the Studio Miniatures Michone set. I may need to pick it up at some point:



They have another pose which is nice too:

I rather like that second one.

 GrimDork wrote:
That Michone may see me walking away from this one... It may be dead to me..

I was gonna make one out of my WGF survivors and stopped when I heard about this... Now I'm not so sure I couldn't just do a better job myself. Beyond the chunk legs the katana is unreasonably broad and her pose is boring. For a model I was really excited to be getting....not ecstatic about Michone.

I would be inclined to drop out and come back around 48 hour notice but the money the early bird saves almost covers the estimated shipping. Guess I'll squat on it but...losing my interest.

What's bizarre is that there's something a little off of some of the preview miniatures. Daryl looks fine, but Rick's head is slightly off. Glenn looks like a boy than a young adult Asian. Could just be the paint job. Michonne looks like a mechanic. Dale is... black?

Also, USPS has increased shipping rates twice in the last year. CMON doubled its shipping costs from its estimated costs. IIRC, FFP charged a fair amount of money for shipping for Wave 1.5. Not a good time for small companies to ship product.

OT: If you look at this Oathsworn half-orc female, this is the level of attitude a Michonne figure should have : http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/66581-heroines-in-sensible-shoes-oathsworn-miniatures-kickstarterstarts-21st-jan/page-16#entry1307456

EDIT: Any other forums actively discussing this game?

I'm interested, but I think I want to wait for retail and have better flexibility over which expansions to get.

Aeneades wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Gee. Who's looking forward to painting Scavenger 1 and Scavenger 4? I'm *really* hoping Scavenger 2 makes it into the campaign. Scavenger 3 doesn't do it for me but I hear he's really popular among new gamers.

I was a random Savior in issue 107 so if they ever get that desperate for characters I might get a chance to appear in miniature form. Walking Dead wikia hasn't been kind enough to designate me a number though.

 GrimDork wrote:
Sigh.

That Michone may see me walking away from this one... It may be dead to me..

I was gonna make one out of my WGF survivors and stopped when I heard about this... Now I'm not so sure I couldn't just do a better job myself. Beyond the chunk legs the katana is unreasonably broad and her pose is boring. For a model I was really excited to be getting....not ecstatic about Michone.

I would be inclined to drop out and come back around 48 hour notice but the money the early bird saves almost covers the estimated shipping. Guess I'll squat on it but...losing my interest.

I think it's because they're sculpting due to the limitations of the PVC material. Thicker legs to stop bendy ankles, making the Katana any thinner would cause some major erectile dysfunction in that pose, etc etc. Sculpting to the medium is a good thing, but it creates a specific style that may not to be to some tastes, and can suffer when you put it next to models cast in a superior material like metal or resin.

There's this in the comments:

The complete boxed game is funded. The starting contents on here is what we are pitching to our retailers also. There are no stretch goals for the boxed game at all, it was totally complete to start with. What you are getting now are game boosters, like the A-wings and tie interceptor packs you'd find in the X-wing game.
'still don't know that putting out a gameplay and the rules are the 101 basic...' - er, we are putting BOTH of those things out.
@ Angelripper - The retail version of Dungeon Saga ended up with less heroes in to compensate for the furniture going in.
The plastic scenery will not be in the retail version, it is a booster pack that you can purchase at retail. The card scenery is included in the boxed game, just like X-wing.

Yes, the Zombicide models had some distinctly odd poses as a result of being one-piece. They were actually able to go quite thin on limbs (although swords always had to be quite chunky) due to the rigidity of the material, but in my opinion the fine detail suffered quite heavily from the plastic used. More importantly, they are 35mm+ scale, rather than 30mm for WD.

So it looks like Mantic is going quite heavily on the X-Wing model for how to package & sell this game. It's interesting, because the key aspect of X-Wing is that people are willing to pay a lot of money to have pretty pre-painted models that are display pieces in themselves.

Are people willing to pay the cost of a painted TIE Fighter + cards from X-Wing for 3 unpainted Walking Dead models + cards?

My only experience of the Walking Dead are the Telltale games. I'd buy those characters in a heartbeat, so that indeed might be the magic of licensing.

They say X-Wing, but I still think it's much closer in reality to Imperial Assault, which is equally unpainted.

I'm surprised they didn't break $200k on the first day.

$189,282 opening day their second best opening day only DBX is ahead at $251,616 although most of their KS open to similar numbers however opening day is never the issue for Mantic it's the mid point run.

Other opening day figures

DBX $251,616
DS $184,954
MA $179,316
DZ $177,190
WP $174,640
DZI $154,803
KoW2 $124,790

EDITED I forgot about Dreadball

It seems pretty good to me for this KS to raise almost 200k first day.

I personally don't see the value but It would seem think KS will be sent out faster and with less issues than usual for a Mantic KS, since everything seems pretty far along (they'd have needed confirmation from the licensor) and it's a very simple KS layout without a lot of fiddly addons.

I would assume that the people backing it this early is more likely to be existing tableop gamers rather than the "new-blood" fans of the comics and Tv series that Mantic hopes to get on board. So it could see a slow but steady rise if this manage to draw a decent crowd of non-regular backers and somewhat avoid the usual mid-campain slump.

 Zywus wrote:
everything seems pretty far along (they'd have needed confirmation from the licensor)

Approval is pending on much of the product.

Final approval is pending but I assume they must have had some communication during the design process.

Official approval won't be given until actual samples of the final product can be shown but they have far enough gone renders to be able to produce painted models. (even though the manufacturing process is probably different for the paint samples)

As an AvP backer, I assume nothing, and take nothing for granted, when I see "pending approval".

If they think they are going to deliver in August, the approval better be coming quickly.

I suspect the main game and contents are approved already.

I HOPE that horrendous Michone sculpt has not been approved (and won't be without modification).

I edited my opening day post as I forgot about DBX which opened with $251,616 (some $60k better than TWD) and closed at $575k

 DaveC wrote:
I forgot about DBX

To be fair, so did Mantic

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
I forgot about DBX

To be fair, so did Mantic

Ice burn. The truth hurts man, the truth hurts.

DBX was an odd one, looked like it was going to explode on the first day, and just deflated afterwards, largely a result of Frenzy level ($375) EB backers on day 1 dropping down when the KS and stretch goals didn't deliver the content that was expected.

TWD shouldn't fall into the same trap, $125 is an easier sell, and they should be able to keep up a very slow burn in terms of the mini count increasing up to around 100 at the $1m mark.

You just know they're going to do something like +12 walkers soon, that's a very easy one to go ahead with. They always do the least interesting or generous stretch goals in the first few days, saving the better ones for when things are going more slowly.

Best just to grab an EB at the start, then wait and see if it is worth it at the end.

I said it'd be $1m, and still think that's possible, although personally I'd have preferred it to be the TV licence, with the character sculpts looking like the actors rather than the comic books.

Hopefully they do a $10 level for .pdf rules, I think some people would go for that with minis they already have, or alternate minis. It might not sell the minis, but it would still help create a playerbase for the game, which is probably more important as far as selling minis goes.

Will be interesting to see what happens with terrain, they're going to have to do something very impressive to beat the renedra terrain for modern american buildings, and the Mars Attacks stuff I have already is also solid.

Yeah the DBX screwup was having early birds for both the $150 pledge and the $375 pledge, so loads of people pledged for both, intending to drop one or the other at the end. Massively inflated the early numbers and caused havok later on. It's something Mantic haven't done since for very good reason.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I said it'd be $1m, and still think that's possible, although personally I'd have preferred it to be the TV licence, with the character sculpts looking like the actors rather than the comic books.

I'm glad it's not, it's a pain in the arse to paint a model that actually looks like a real human being. Painting a comic book character means I don't have the massive let down when I compare my hideous painting to the face of an actual person

Mantic on the KS comments wrote:You fight around buildings. Nothing stopping you inventing rules for fighting in buildings, but I don't think we're going to do that.

I understand wanting to do simplicity, but when you basically have a gang vs gang game in an urban and suburban environment it seems kind of silly to not include rules for indoors right up front.

I admit I'm not too familiar with the comic (but I do have the first two compendiums on the way from Amazon!) but I can't imagine looking for loot and not having to enter buildings to do so. And encountering a member of another gang while doing so, or getting trapped inside a building with another gang outside seem to be reasonable circumstances to expect.

What rules do you need for indoors though, if the rules are fairly simple? Treat doors and windows like Xcom does, solid until you want to walk through them and then they're effectively not there. Done, fighting indoors is solved There are probably other games if you want some kind of realistic breach and clear but I don't think you really need special rules to move through buildings.

That said, for my own little ruleset I've been tinkering with, there are a few things...but that's mostly because of how I spawn zombies and all that junk. For a skirmish game, just treat them like boxes you can take the top off of or whatever.

 GrimDork wrote:
What rules do you need for indoors though, if the rules are fairly simple? Treat doors and windows like Xcom does, solid until you want to walk through them and then they're effectively not there. Done, fighting indoors is solved There are probably other games if you want some kind of realistic breach and clear but I don't think you really need special rules to move through buildings.
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I don't disagree with you, and that is why I am surprised Mantic is not including even such simplistic mechanisms in the rules. It would not take much page space and would add a lot to the game. By not including at least rudimentary rules, even as 'optional' or 'advanced' rules, they are (in my opinion) hurting the game.

[edit: duplicate removed]

Ouch endtransmission, I've deleted my own double posts to similar non-post infamy as well =/

@CptJake, yeah what you say makes sense. I think more or less, they don't intend to include buildings that you can go into within the kickstarter itself and so are staying away from the subject entirely. But like we say, would be really easy to ignore buildings without being weird about it.

If they have any sense, they'll pay AMC to run ads for the Kickstarter when The Walking Dead returns this month. Thats the best way to bring the game to the attention of the new blood TWD fans.

TV commercials are hella expensive, especially if they want it to air during a high rated show. They'd probably have to do a new kickstarter just to fund a 15 second spot.