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well yeah the shark has eaten the smaller fish, damn I knew I should have bought more greatcoats from them.

Well at least I still got my Warhammer Fantasy Nippon army in time.

Damn I was really looking forward into WF
   
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I will be sad if warlord makes the prices even higher. Cost was wgf's selling point to me.

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They're re-branding the Woodland Indian and Colonial sets under Warlord's own Black Powder range and removing references to Wargames Factory. I thought it was supposed to be a distribution partnership, but this looks more like WGF was bought out.

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I would say WGF is going to production only, no longer designing or marketing their own models, just producing for 3rd parties.

Probably an easier, more focused business. And that way they don't compete wtih their own customers like WWX or malifaux.

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I reckon Warlord will still bring those bikers out at some point. Probably at a different price point than WGF would have been, but c'est la vie. At least Warlord's (non-Antares) prices are still very reasonable.

   
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WGFs AWI figures are starting to show up in Warlord packaging.

Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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Good God, Gamers are so cheap. It makes me wonder why anyone would get into this business.

.Only a fool believes there is such a thing as price gouging. Things have value determined by the creator or merchant. If you don't agree with that value, you are free not to purchase. 
   
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I find "gamers" that feel a need to bitch about other gamers without any real need or reason to be more annoying. Makes me wonder why they choose to also be "gamers".

   
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I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

.Only a fool believes there is such a thing as price gouging. Things have value determined by the creator or merchant. If you don't agree with that value, you are free not to purchase. 
   
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Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.

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General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.


I'm glad your store was shut down and hope the community disbanded. Companies that expect their customers to take it in the wallet so they don't have to work for their sales deserve to die. I support my FLGS because the people working there are not hideous examples of the worst of human nature. But I certainly don't buy the items they refuse to discount when I can get them more than 40% cheaper online. That really would be asking to be treated with disdain.

It's not like I don't already have more minis than I can assemble in the next two decades. With a decreasing hobby budget and more competition, it's pretty laughable when miniatures producers make their products less attractive or remove the impulse buy price points that made the products worth buying in the first place.


The fact is, the price point was a major factor in my WGF custom, the way the Old World was a factor for WHF customers or the metal is a factor for Infinity players. Their post-Tony sculpts were also better than Warlord's, but then so are everybody else's.


   
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 Cruentus wrote:
Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.
Heh, when I bought my first bag of Minifig Prussians, it was fifteen cents per model.

In lead.

Since then, you had the State of New York deciding that lead models were bad, which led to the use of tin - and the tin market has been leaping for ever higher prices as both China and India went from exporting tin to importing it.

Not all that long ago, one of the owners of Reaper stated that tin prices were unsustainable. That the higher prices for the metal would kill the market.

Shortly thereafter... Bones.

The Auld Grump

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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.

The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
 
   
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Yikes! That response seems a little harsh, BobtheInquisitor. It is tough to make it off miniatures as that 40% discount accounts for almost all the profit margin the seller has. Most stuff is bought at 45-60% retail and sold at MSRP. Etailers don't have the same overhead costs that a B&M has, so they can survive on much thinner margins. But General Hobbs is right- they don't offer the gaming space and support a B&M store (usually) does, either. And without support and somewhere to play most players will abandon the game.

I have also seen it from the retailer perspective- surviving in a niche market with razor thin margins is tough and I would never recommend a hobby game store as a sound business. MTG and similar CCGs is about the best as it takes little space, consistently sells, and has great support. Miniature games are terrible as they have poor margins, require large startup costs (both money and time), need lots of space, and often have poor support.

For miniature players and painters, we are in something of a golden age of choice, though.

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I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?

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 agnosto wrote:
I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?


You don't. If you don't play at a store, who cares where you buy?

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 TheAuldGrump wrote:
 Cruentus wrote:
Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.
Heh, when I bought my first bag of Minifig Prussians, it was fifteen cents per model.

In lead.

Since then, you had the State of New York deciding that lead models were bad, which led to the use of tin - and the tin market has been leaping for ever higher prices as both China and India went from exporting tin to importing it.

Not all that long ago, one of the owners of Reaper stated that tin prices were unsustainable. That the higher prices for the metal would kill the market.

Shortly thereafter... Bones.

The Auld Grump


Which is concerning for Corvus Belli who are stubbornly sticking to metal. I mean, their stuff is amazingly detailed, but if tin prices push high enough they might find themselves with a range they have to charge too much for and too little time to develop plastics.
   
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I find it weird that Warlord is releasing these wgf sets with so little fanfare. They're really hard to find on the store. There no new tab for wgf, they're just being repackaged under the Warlord name and tucked away out of sight under existing tabs with no announcement as far as i can tell.

You wouldn't even know there was a new release without checking every product range tab regularly.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I find it weird that Warlord is releasing these wgf sets with so little fanfare. They're really hard to find on the store. There no new tab for wgf, they're just being repackaged under the Warlord name and tucked away out of sight under existing tabs with no announcement as far as i can tell.

You wouldn't even know there was a new release without checking every product range tab regularly.


Actually, I am pretty sure they mentioned having Wargames Factory stuff in at least one of their recent email newsletters.

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I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.
   
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 jmurph wrote:
Yikes! That response seems a little harsh, BobtheInquisitor. It is tough to make it off miniatures as that 40% discount accounts for almost all the profit margin the seller has. Most stuff is bought at 45-60% retail and sold at MSRP. Etailers don't have the same overhead costs that a B&M has, so they can survive on much thinner margins. But General Hobbs is right- they don't offer the gaming space and support a B&M store (usually) does, either. And without support and somewhere to play most players will abandon the game.

I have also seen it from the retailer perspective- surviving in a niche market with razor thin margins is tough and I would never recommend a hobby game store as a sound business. MTG and similar CCGs is about the best as it takes little space, consistently sells, and has great support. Miniature games are terrible as they have poor margins, require large startup costs (both money and time), need lots of space, and often have poor support.

For miniature players and painters, we are in something of a golden age of choice, though.


For the percentage, it doesn't work that way. If I buy a 100$ item for $75 I got 25% off, but if I bought that same item for $100, I would have spent 33% more than I could have, since. 25 is 33% of 75. Throw in taxes at the FLGS, and I'd be spending more than 40% higher than I would online. For an item with a 30% discount, the retail purchase is almost 43% higher before taxes, and more than 50% after. I guess it's all in how you look at it.

I don't play in a FLGS. I still support a couple of local places because I like to browse and because I like the employees, but I don't use their space or the community. If people stop playing the games that are tied into miniatures I like, on one hand it's a shame that the beloved setting will come to an end before it has jumped the shark, but on the other hand I tend to get great clearance deals at MM. I will promote ranges I enjoy and criticize those that could be better.

As for complaining... In my experience, the customers who are vocal or even strident in their dissatisfactions tend to get what they want while those who only stay positive end up losing out.

I bought almost every plastic kit WGF ever made because they were great deals for small, diverse ranges. I could buy some survivors to sci fi up as terminators or time tracers or superheroes, zombie vixens for the few parts useable to make damaged terminators, some WW2 troops to sci fi up in B5 or Star Wars styles, samurai, Persians, Romans, Vikings, etc. to make fantasy armies, Zulu wars British for not-TOS movie era ish uniforms, etc. Higher prices diminish the appeal, and so do larger boxes with more figures even if they are cheaper per mini, which they won't be. WGF had a winning formula that worked for casual converters, skirmish gamers, RPGers and army builders alike. Now, not so much.


   
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Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.


The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

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Keep the feet connected when you assemble the model and it becomes a lot easier. While thin parts can be tricky it certainly makes the skeletons look a lot better.

But keeping the feet connected to each other makes it very easy to put together... well easier. All WGF stuff is a bit tougher to assemble usually.
   
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General Hobbs wrote:

I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.
But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.
I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.
So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.


Aside from the fact that people are discussing a totally different thing here...

Enjoy your bitterness. The closest LGS to me is run by a douchebag who when he opened up felt that he was entitled to my business. Nevermind that I'd been ordering online for less, with better service for years before he turned up and never gamed in his store. The place I used to game at, years and years ago (and bought there at the time) is too far away now, and run by unfriendly gaks who have no concept of customer service. Last time I was in the area I wanted to buy some paints and stuff - over $100 worth but the two disinterested guys behind the counter had no concept of customer service and were way too busy talking to each other to serve customers, so I put the stuff back and left. So feth them, too.

I'll shop where I get good service, and for the last more-than-a-few years, that place is online. I just wish these retailers I buy things from online were local to me.


 timetowaste85 wrote:
 agnosto wrote:
I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?

You don't. If you don't play at a store, who cares where you buy?


Hobbs, apparently. He also thinks he's "shaming" people by being silly and rude on a forum.

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Random bits of information: Emailed Warlord, asking about when they were likely to re-release the Amazons, got a reply:

"Unfortunately it will be some time before we will release the Amazons and I can confirm that they will not be released within the next 12 months.

... but yes, we will release them again, eventually."

I kinda hope they're not trying to re-cut the things, its unnecessary (unless they've got an incompatible machine or something), and I rather liked the WGF style nesting sprue. Also, its likely gonna be a LOOOOOOONG while for some things.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.


The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

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I appreciate the heads up, but I did a bit of research on them before deciding to buy them initially. I'm not overly concerned with the fiddly nature, and much prefer the finished product's thinness.
They look like actual skeletons, rather than the bones being thicker than some parts still covered in flesh like the GW skeletons.
The modeling aspect is quite possibly my favorite part, so I'm willing to put a few extra hours in to get a nice finished product. I've drilled out over thirty PP metal Iron Fang Pikemen and replaced their spear shafts with brass rod, assembled three units of the Nyss Hunters, widely regarded as some of the most frustrating to assemble models in the PP line.
You could say I've been practicing.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

That's a nice idea - they really do look like they'd be well suited to adding character to other models and terrain, even if they are too fragile to use on their own.

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Vejut wrote:
Random bits of information: Emailed Warlord, asking about when they were likely to re-release the Amazons, got a reply:

"Unfortunately it will be some time before we will release the Amazons and I can confirm that they will not be released within the next 12 months.

... but yes, we will release them again, eventually."

I kinda hope they're not trying to re-cut the things, its unnecessary (unless they've got an incompatible machine or something), and I rather liked the WGF style nesting sprue. Also, its likely gonna be a LOOOOOOONG while for some things.


The Amazons each being on their own individual sprues (mine are, anyway) isn't the best design, especially as WLG tend to sell individual sprues and have a certain packaging style that the Amazon (and WLG Greek hoplite/warrior) boxes don't fit well. Anyone know if Warlord picked up WLG's orcs as well?

   
 
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