I think I had my first encounter with 'that guy'. Please help me figure out his list.

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**MechaEmperor7000**

According to the OP, the man specifically said he was bound with that GK list. So no he wasn't trying to play unbound.

**HoundsofDemos**

sounds like he made a few mistakes.

this is why you should a couple of the books your using on you, either on e book or a dead tree version.

**womprat49**

I don't think you can have a really good pickup game with a stranger. It's way more fun to play with your gaming buddies.

**Galef**

womprat49 wrote:
I don't think you can have a really good pickup game with a stranger. It's way more fun to play with your gaming buddies.

Agreed, but sometimes, getting in a pick up games with a stranger is how they become one of your gaming buddies.

**roddo**

Lot of trolls coming on here bashing a guy who got nicely asked if he got cheated against. Pretty sure thats why the official GW forums got shut down, because of people who have nothing better to do than bash a guy for playing a legal powerful list, and heaven forbid get enjoyment out of winning or at least having a shot at doing so.

**Brennonjw**

Sounds like he duped you m80, sorry :( I'll echo everyone else and say ask for a list. I'll try and give him the benefit of the doubt, and just hope that he didn't know about the "paladins no longer being troops", but it's up to you if you ever wanna play him again.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I definitely call him cheating. There's no way he could have known about the 1 troop choice AND the term Bound without knowing about the new edition of Grey Knights, in which case he should have also known that Draigo no longer turned Paladins into Troops.

Even if not, there's no way all of that crap adds up to *only* 1500.

I would avoid playing him again, cuz there's plenty of legitimate cheese within the game especially if you can afford forgeworld, so there's no point in lying to this degree.

are people still whining about "forge world" cheese, which hasn't really been to major, when we have even worse gak popped out by GW?

**DirtyDeeds**

HoundsofDemos wrote:
He might have just been playing unbound, did he make use of any formation bonuses?

You can still use formation benefits as long as they are not listed as Command Bebefits like the Objective Secured rule for a CAD and an allied detachment.

**niv-mizzet**

Brennonjw wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
...cuz there's plenty of legitimate cheese within the game especially if you can afford forgeworld, so there's no point in lying to this degree.

are people still whining about "forge world" cheese, which hasn't really been to major, when we have even worse gak popped out by GW?

People fear what they don't understand...

**womprat49**

Galef wrote:
womprat49 wrote:
I don't think you can have a really good pickup game with a stranger. It's way more fun to play with your gaming buddies.

Agreed, but sometimes, getting in a pick up games with a stranger is how they become one of your gaming buddies.

Yes unless they totally table you and you end up bitching about it on dakkadakka

**WrentheFaceless**

If he used Paladins and made his Lancer his Warlord, most likely he went Unbound

7ed Draigo doesnt make paladins troops.

Nemesis Strike Force is 1 HQ and 1 Troop mandatory.

And yea, his list was about 2000 points

Guy cheated you

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
According to the OP, the man specifically said he was bound with that GK list. So no he wasn't trying to play unbound.

Then he played an illegal, unbound list.

**Dozer Blades**

Maybe he had a troop. We will never really know.

**Happyjew**

niv-mizzet wrote:
Brennonjw wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
...cuz there's plenty of legitimate cheese within the game especially if you can afford forgeworld, so there's no point in lying to this degree.

are people still whining about "forge world" cheese, which hasn't really been to major, when we have even worse gak popped out by GW?

People fear what they don't understand...

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

**Relapse**

pumpinchimp wrote:
Played a guy I'd never met before, he brought some beautifully painted Grey Knights against my Tau. I got well and truely out-cheesed, gave up before my turn 3!

He had -

Kaldor Draigo
a lvl 3 Librarian
A squad of 5 paladins (with an Apothecary, a banner and 2 psycannons)
2 dread knights (both with the torrent flamer and heavy psycannons)
1 Ceratus Knight Lancer (his warlord)
1 Knight Crusader (i think that's the right one based on the weapons he was using)

I want to give him the benefit of doubt and assume he misheard me when I said I had a 1500pt list (I make the above about 2000) but he also said his list was bound and I can't figure out how (using battlescribe, I don't know grey knights very well, never played against them before). He said that Draigo made the paladins a troop choice and that he only needed to take one troop.

Is there a formation or something that makes it fit?

Sounds like a Grey Knight player here I had a game with in an escalation league. I was getting back into 40K after a couple years and got smoked. I found out later as I learned more about Grey Knights that he brought over 1100 points into a 750 point game.

**SagesStone**

roddo wrote:
Lot of trolls coming on here bashing a guy who got nicely asked if he got cheated against. Pretty sure thats why the official GW forums got shut down, because of people who have nothing better to do than bash a guy for playing a legal powerful list, and heaven forbid get enjoyment out of winning or at least having a shot at doing so.

Probably more the whining, but yeh people tend to be a bit caustic at times and it wrecks discussion.

**KharnsRightHand**

nekooni wrote:
Davor wrote:

And then continue on to add that you only accept physical rules which may not be copies or print-outs. How do you expect me to field my Codex: Inquisiton forces then? Or Battle Sisters? Otherwise you'll just start cheating? You do not sound like a pleasant opponent.

Right? I'm not gonna spend $100 or so on an Imperial Armour book to field one Malanthrope. Hell yea I got a printout of those rules online. Not to mention the Shield of Baal: Leviathan units that GW hosts the rules for free in PDF form on their website. Not buying an $80+ book for that.

**SlaveToDorkness**

pumpinchimp wrote:

I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was honest mistakes, he seemed like a really nice bloke otherwise.

I've played plenty of guys who were really nice up until the point they got caught cheating. Being pleasant isn't a sign that you're not getting screwed.

**Smarteye**

So with only the upgrades listed, nothing else, The opponent's army comes to 1825 points.

I would be legitimately upset if I were in the situation you claim to be in.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
With only the upgrades listed, his list comes to 1825 points.

I would be legitimately upset if I were in the situation OP claims to be in.

**eleven11**

pumpinchimp wrote:
Grubass wrote:
Hmm looks some1s butthurt abit

Maybe a little but no one likes losing

I was trying to learn from it, looking at his list and working out how to combat it and what I could have done better, that's when I realised the points didn't balance.

This was my list (which I don't think is weak!) -

Retaliation Cadre:
··Commander
····XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster, Shield Generator, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]
··XV104 Riptide Battlesuits
····Riptide Shas'vre [Heavy Burst Cannon, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Smart Missile System, Velocity Tracker]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Burst Cannon]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Burst Cannon]
··XV88 Broadside Battlesuits
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

Optimized Stealth Cadre:
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster, Target Lock]
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster, Target Lock]
··XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits
····Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Fusion Collider, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]

Combined Arms Detachment:
Cadre Fireblade

Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]

Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]

You brought the optimized cheese cadre and still lost? You should give the grey knights player a pat on the back. I can't fathom how you lost.

**FireSkullz2**

eleven11 wrote:
pumpinchimp wrote:
Grubass wrote:
Hmm looks some1s butthurt abit

Maybe a little but no one likes losing

I was trying to learn from it, looking at his list and working out how to combat it and what I could have done better, that's when I realised the points didn't balance.

This was my list (which I don't think is weak!) -

Retaliation Cadre:
··Commander
····XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster, Shield Generator, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]
··XV104 Riptide Battlesuits
····Riptide Shas'vre [Heavy Burst Cannon, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Smart Missile System, Velocity Tracker]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Cyclic Ion Blaster]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
··XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Burst Cannon]
····Crisis Shas'ui [2x Burst Cannon]
··XV88 Broadside Battlesuits
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]
····Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

Optimized Stealth Cadre:
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster, Target Lock]
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster, Target Lock]
··XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits
····Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Fusion Collider, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]

Combined Arms Detachment:
Cadre Fireblade

Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]

Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]

You brought the optimized cheese cadre and still lost? You should give the grey knights player a pat on the back. I can't fathom how you lost.

Did you read any of the Forum? Or just his list?

**Inevitable_Faith**

Xerics wrote:
Davor wrote:

Huh? Someone playing a turely out cheesed army and he is calling someone else TFG? I think looking in the mirror first to see who TFG is. Especially when playing against strangers.

I really Hate this mentality. STOP DOING IT! I play Eldar and have been for quite some time. Just because I play an Army doesn't make me TFG. Sure I have my cheeselists that I play in tournaments (at the local setting) but I have other lists that I bring out just to see how it measures up. This trend of "You play (insert faction here) so you must be TFG." really has to stop. It doesn't benefit anyone and never has.

Completely agree here. I play Eldar as well and I lose a lot more than I win. I know what the cheese is in my dex and I avoid it cause I want fun games. To instantly hate someone and call them TFG just because of the army they chose to play is really... disturbing to say the least. It's not the fault of the Tau or Eldar players that they have the rules/weapons/points costs they do. That's on GW, and not EVERY Tau or Eldar player brings cheese to every fight. Some bring legitimate fun lists. You know what hating on someone based on your biases towards their race is called in real life? RACISM. It's not ok in real life and it shouldn't be ok here.

/ end rant

**eleven11**

Inevitable_Faith wrote:
Xerics wrote:
Davor wrote:

Huh? Someone playing a turely out cheesed army and he is calling someone else TFG? I think looking in the mirror first to see who TFG is. Especially when playing against strangers.

I really Hate this mentality. STOP DOING IT! I play Eldar and have been for quite some time. Just because I play an Army doesn't make me TFG. Sure I have my cheeselists that I play in tournaments (at the local setting) but I have other lists that I bring out just to see how it measures up. This trend of "You play (insert faction here) so you must be TFG." really has to stop. It doesn't benefit anyone and never has.

Completely agree here. I play Eldar as well and I lose a lot more than I win. I know what the cheese is in my dex and I avoid it cause I want fun games. To instantly hate someone and call them TFG just because of the army they chose to play is really... disturbing to say the least. It's not the fault of the Tau or Eldar players that they have the rules/weapons/points costs they do. That's on GW, and not EVERY Tau or Eldar player brings cheese to every fight. Some bring legitimate fun lists. You know what hating on someone based on your biases towards their race is called in real life? RACISM. It's not ok in real life and it should be ok here.

/ end rant

Hey pal, if you play howling banshees and footdar I'm not gonna call you a cheeser, but the guy in this thread brought the optimized cheese cadre and retaliation cadre, I'm surprised he hadn't killed both knights by turn 2. The broadsides probably could have killed one knight by themselves.

Even if this guy did what OP says and brought 2k to a 1500 battle, I still see the tau as having the upper hand.

**_ghost_**

But still the guy with the 2k list is an ass becaus he claimed to field a legal 1,5k list

**SlaveToDorkness**

Lol so cheaters are better than people who build a good list. Ooookay...

TGFI

**MechaEmperor7000**

Brennonjw wrote:
are people still whining about "forge world" cheese, which hasn't really been to major, when we have even worse gak popped out by GW?

I didn't say all of Forge World was cheese, but Forge World still has plenty of cheese whenever they release experimental rules.

They're just more upfront about it because, hey, they're experimental.

**Crevab**

This thread reminds me of my favorite part of 40k, how short the games are!

Why you can have dozens of games in just a few minutes!

Afterall, the only relevant part of a battle is exchanging lists and promptly declaring a winner

**Imateria**

womprat49 wrote:
I don't think you can have a really good pickup game with a stranger. It's way more fun to play with your gaming buddies.

Complete rubbish, one of the best games I've ever had was a pick up game with a stranger (1500pts of Nids vs Harleys).

Why do some people think that an opponent you haven't played against before automatically has to be cheesemonger? Such a stupid outlook.

**Naw**

Why are people so upset now, when marines bring extra to every game?

**DirtyDeeds**

Naw wrote:
Why are people so upset now, when marines bring extra to every game?

Well their "extra" includes Rhinos, Razorbacks, and Drop Pods... Not Imperial Knights.