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2016/01/13 16:30:36
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
d-usa wrote: So not a single dead girl that will somehow into every girl being raped to death?
Because being paralysed from the waist down after being brutally gang-raped for seven hours is nothing to worry about.
Maybe I'm just a liberal simpleton, but I always figure that people should talk correctly about the problem that is actually happening.
Like "immigrants have a different value system and they are not from a culture that respects women and they are more likely to commit sexual assault, so let's address that" instead of "Muslims will rape every single girl in our country to DEATH, rapes are up 1300%!!!!!!!!!"
Talk about the real issues with real facts and you will be taken seriously. Post junk statistics and bs "facts" if you want, but then don't be surprised if the tiny nuggets of truth get thrown out with the bath water when people stop listening to stuff that is largely manufactured.
I'm pretty sure that Walrus is feeling the same way as me there. Neither of us are denying that there is a problem, we are just countering junk statistics about the problem.
2016/01/13 16:33:19
Subject: Re:Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
In recent years, several revisions to the definition of rape have been made in Swedish law,[3] to now not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone passive—incapable of giving consent—because they are in a vulnerable situation, such as a state of fear or unconsciousness.[4]
In other words, you thought that Germany and Sweden were comparable in definition when they were demonstrably not. Are you starting to see why I'm scoffing at the Gatestone methodology yet?
That's literally the same ALL OVER THE WEST, Walrus. If a girl's drunk and you have sex with her (even if you're drunk at the same time), that is counted as rape. It's the same in the UK, the USA, Germany etc etc. If someone is in a vulnerable state and in fear for their lives, that's still rape!
There is very little difference. So why have Sweden's rape statistics shot up when the rest of the world's hasn't?
Do you want me to put more emphasis on the important part, or will that be enough?
God knows, Britain doesn't really have any far-left political parties. Just trust me when I say our centre-right political parties would be Sweden's far, far rights.
Common knowledge doesn't need citing, Walrus.
I wouldn't take your word that the sky was blue. Citation needed.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Yes, I'm saying that it's impossible to tell in certain circumstances.
Probably true, but certain circumstances is not all the time. You acknowledge that the vast majority of the time you will be able to tell?
Those certain circumstances being when someone is close to the age of 18, which is the ones that matter. It really doesn't matter if you can tell a five-year old isn't sixty, because that doesn't mean you can tell a nineteen-year old isn't seventeen, or vice versa. You're essentially advocating the dismantling of due process for asylum seekers, and you have the gall to claim that it's the left that's crazy?
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Where did he say that Sweden should "not belong to the Swedish" (bear in mind that something "belonging" to someone isn't the same as that person "owning" it), and where did he say that "the Swedish are a very boring ethnic group"? He was arguing along classical liberal lines that an open society is stronger than one that is closed. Hardly left-wing, unless one is to the right of Genghis Khan to start with.
POLITIK. Moderaternas avgående partiledare Fredrik Reinfeldt bröt tystnaden och gjorde inför julaftonen ett nytt vänsterpolitiskt uttalande apropå det kommande nyvalet. Den före detta statsministern hävdar nu att Sveriges gränser är påhittade och att Sverige tillhör de invandrare som kommer hit – inte svenskarna.
Uttalandena gjordes med anledning av det planerade nyvalet nästa år och Reinfeldt bekräftade Mattias Karlssons (SD) uppfattning om att valet i första hand är en omröstning om invandringen.
– Det är ett vägval om vilket land Sverige ska vara, sade Reinfeldt till TV4.
– Är det här ett land som ägs av dem som har bott här i tre eller fyra generationer eller är Sverige vad människor som kommer hit mitt i livet gör det till att vara och utvecklar det till? frågade han sig retoriskt.
– För mig är det självklart att det ska vara det senare och att det är ett starkare och bättre samhälle om det får vara öppet, konstaterade Reinfeldt sedan.
I samband med TV4:s "Nyhetsmorgon" under julaftonens morgon gick han ännu längre och hävdade att Sveriges gränser bara är påhittade.
– Vad är Sverige för land? Ägs det här landet av dem som bott här i fyra generationer eller de som hittat på någon gräns? sade han nedlåtande.
Därefter menade han att svenskarna är ointressanta som folkgrupp och att det istället är invandrarna som skapar det nya Sverige.
– Det är vad de gör av Sverige som är Sverige, hävdade han.
The Moderates departing party leader Fredrik Reinfeldt broke the silence before Christmas Eve, and made a new political statement before the upcoming new election. The former prime minister now claims that Sweden's borders are fictional and that Sweden belongs to the immigrants who come here - not the Swedes.
Reinfeldt confirmed Mattias Karlsson (SD) perception that elections are primarily a vote on immigration.
- It is a choice of what country Sweden should be, Reinfeldt told TV4.
- Is this a country that is owned by those who have lived here for three or four generations or is Sweden what people who come here in mid-life makes it to be? he asked rhetorically.
- For me it is obvious that it should be the latter and that it is a stronger and better society if it may be open, said Reinfeldt.
In connection with TV4's "Nyhetsmorgon" during the Christmas Eve morning he went even further, claiming that Sweden's borders are only imaginary.
- What is Sweden? Is this country owned by those who lived here for four generations or those who invented borders? he said condescending.
Then he said that the Swedes are uninteresting as an ethnic group and that it is instead the immigrants that creates the new Sweden.
- It is what they do in Sweden that is Sweden, he claimed.
/quote]
You'll note that your source is using emotional buzzwords ("concesdending") and making political assumptions (confirmation of Mattias Karlsson's views) based on the source's own political goals.
Anyhow, the first source link used in that article is the same clip that you posted earlier in the thread. The article leaves out the greater context from the second video, where it's clear that Reinfeldt is talking about whether it's fair to assume that immigrants should uncritically and without complaining drop their entire identity and completely assimilate into Swedish society:
After the comment about who "owns" Sweden, the following is also said:
Reporter: Att tala så tydligt om sin övertygelse om att Sverige måste ta ansvar för människor på flykt är ett personligt och politiskt beslut Fredrik Reinfeldt inte backat från sedan det uppmärksammade talet i somras.
Reinfeldt: Det måste liksom få konsekvenser, jag måste stå upp motde som hävdar att "det här är ett land som stängdes för tre generationer sedan och ingen annan är välkommen" och "kommer de hit så ska de anpassa sig och de ska aldrig räcka upp handen och aldrig säga någonting som är avvikande". För mig är det ett ohållbart samhälle.
My translation:
Reporter: Speaking so clearly about his conviction that Sweden has to take responsibility for fleeing humans is a personal and political decision Fredrik Reinfeldt hasn't backed down from since the noted speech last summer.
Reinfeldt: It sort of has to have consequences, I have to make a stand against those that claim that "this is a land that was closed three generations ago and no one else is welcome" and "if they come here they should adapt and they should never raise their hands and never say anything divergent". For me that is an unsustainable society.
I'm starting to see a pattern in your sources where they leave out things that don't suit them.
EDIT: Actually, lemme fix that source for you so that someone gets it done.
There we go! That wasn't that hard.
The fact that I had to get a source for you is rather indicative of your lack of argumentational skill. As you way, it wasn't that hard, so why didn't you provide a source in the first place instead of being lazy?
d-usa wrote: So not a single dead girl that will somehow into every girl being raped to death?
Because being paralysed from the waist down after being brutally gang-raped for seven hours is nothing to worry about.
Maybe I'm just a liberal simpleton, but I always figure that people should talk correctly about the problem that is actually happening.
Like "immigrants have a different value system and they are not from a culture that respects women and they are more likely to commit sexual assault, so let's address that" instead of "Muslims will rape every single girl in our country to DEATH, rapes are up 1300%!!!!!!!!!"
Talk about the real issues with real facts and you will be taken seriously. Post junk statistics and bs "facts" if you want, but then don't be surprised if the tiny nuggets of truth get thrown out with the bath water when people stop listening to stuff that is largely manufactured.
I'm pretty sure that Walrus is feeling the same way as me there. Neither of us are denying that there is a problem, we are just countering junk statistics about the problem.
Thank you, that's my point exactly.
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2016/01/13 17:35:31
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
HiveFleetPlastic wrote: Looking at the other page, as d-usa said, the number of rape convictions has dropped since 2005. If there is an epidemic caused by migrants flooding the country, why is the conviction rate going down?
Police incompetence / policy. Look at the fact that the police didn't arrest any of the hundreds of migrants that were escorted out of the festival after they sexually assaulted little girls.
Sweden's rape conviction rate is abysmal, too:
In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on rape in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden, citing previously published estimates from Brå of around 30,000 incidents of rape, with less than 13 percent of the 3,535 rape crimes reported resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings and 216 persons convicted in 2007.
d-usa wrote: Maybe I'm just a liberal simpleton, but I always figure that people should talk correctly about the problem that is actually happening.
Like "immigrants have a different value system and they are not from a culture that respects women and they are more likely to commit sexual assault, so let's address that" instead of "Muslims will rape every single girl in our country to DEATH, rapes are up 1300%!!!!!!!!!"
Talk about the real issues with real facts and you will be taken seriously. Post junk statistics and bs "facts" if you want, but then don't be surprised if the tiny nuggets of truth get thrown out with the bath water when people stop listening to stuff that is largely manufactured.
I'm pretty sure that Walrus is feeling the same way as me there. Neither of us are denying that there is a problem, we are just countering junk statistics about the problem.
In Sweden, rape reports are up 1300%, though, so I don't understand your point.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Do you want me to put more emphasis on the important part, or will that be enough?
Which is the same in Germany. A girl can be penetrated by any part of a body and it's counted as rape. Look it up.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Those certain circumstances being when someone is close to the age of 18, which is the ones that matter. It really doesn't matter if you can tell a five-year old isn't sixty, because that doesn't mean you can tell a nineteen-year old isn't seventeen, or vice versa. You're essentially advocating the dismantling of due process for asylum seekers, and you have the gall to claim that it's the left that's crazy?
Except allowing them due process forces a country to take them. It's either one or the other, there's no way around it.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: The fact that I had to get a source for you is rather indicative of your lack of argumentational skill. As you way, it wasn't that hard, so why didn't you provide a source in the first place instead of being lazy?
Because I don't speak Swedish?
2016/01/13 17:47:45
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
Which means there were 500~ reported rapes when they started admitting refugees, which is very much a "normal" amount of rapes for a country of Sweden's size.
2016/01/13 18:07:26
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Do you want me to put more emphasis on the important part, or will that be enough?
Which is the same in Germany. A girl can be penetrated by any part of a body and it's counted as rape. Look it up.
Not the same at all, because the Swedish definition does not require penetration. It says so right in the part I bolded for you. Look it up, as you're fond of saying.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Those certain circumstances being when someone is close to the age of 18, which is the ones that matter. It really doesn't matter if you can tell a five-year old isn't sixty, because that doesn't mean you can tell a nineteen-year old isn't seventeen, or vice versa. You're essentially advocating the dismantling of due process for asylum seekers, and you have the gall to claim that it's the left that's crazy?
Except allowing them due process forces a country to take them. It's either one or the other, there's no way around it.
The right to due process is, in my opinion, non-negotiable. It's the bedrock of modern society. No rights or obligations matter if due process does not exist.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: The fact that I had to get a source for you is rather indicative of your lack of argumentational skill. As you way, it wasn't that hard, so why didn't you provide a source in the first place instead of being lazy?
Because I don't speak Swedish?
In which case, why have you been linking so many sources in Swedish and Danish? Are you honestly telling me that you're just linking stuff without actually being able to read them yourself?
Which means there were 500~ reported rapes when they started admitting refugees, which is very much a "normal" amount of rapes for a country of Sweden's size.
Plus, the whole part where you're still pretending penetration is the same thing as "not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone passive".
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2016/01/13 18:24:00
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
And again, before the change in the definition of rape, there were ~2,200 reported rapes in 2003 compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010 (via the BBC source I posted earlier). If we completely ignore the change in definition of what crimes are reported as rape and pretend that it remained exactly the same, that's "only" an increase of 172%.
In 2014 there were 6,700 reported cases, an increase of 11% since 2010 and an increase of 205% since 2003.
The refugee crisis started last year, so it's pretty obvious that they are not the source of the jump, we don't even have any data published that includes the timeframe of their arrival.
So even ignoring a ton of facts and tweaking the numbers as much in favor as we can towards the "immigrants are raping our women" argument, we don't get anywhere close to 1,300% increase in rapes. Stop posting junk stats.
Again: the highest contributing factor in the jump of reported rapes is the very comprehensive definition of what is considered rape in Sweden and the excellent job they have done making women, and men, feel comfortable enough to report them without feeling ashamed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And again, Assange is wanted for rape in Sweden because he said he wore a condom when he didn't.
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2016/01/13 18:25:37
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
So you're saying the only way to solve the problem of rapists is to castrate everyone?
Great plan, Walrus.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Not the same at all, because the Swedish definition does not require penetration. It says so right in the part I bolded for you. Look it up, as you're fond of saying.
What does a "comparable sexual act" constitute, exactly? It says not intercourse but vaginal penetration is not intercourse if the penis is not involved. Maybe I've misunderstood, but I have no idea what that means. It's almost as bad as Sweden taking a "feminist military policy" against Russia. What does that even mean, Walrus?
AlmightyWalrus wrote: The right to due process is, in my opinion, non-negotiable. It's the bedrock of modern society. No rights or obligations matter if due process does not exist.
In criminal courts, yes. Otherwise, no.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: In which case, why have you been linking so many sources in Swedish and Danish? Are you honestly telling me that you're just linking stuff without actually being able to read them yourself?
Plus, the whole part where you're still pretending penetration is the same thing as "not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone passive".
Because educated first world Jews == Uneducated third world economic migrants.
d-usa wrote: And again, before the change in the definition of rape, there were ~2,200 reported rapes in 2003 compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010 (via the BBC source I posted earlier). If we completely ignore the change in definition of what crimes are reported as rape and pretend that it remained exactly the same, that's "only" an increase of 172%.
In 2014 there were 6,700 reported cases, an increase of 11% since 2010 and an increase of 205% since 2003.
The refugee crisis started last year, so it's pretty obvious that they are not the source of the jump, we don't even have any data published that includes the timeframe of their arrival.
So even ignoring a ton of facts and tweaking the numbers as much in favor as we can towards the "immigrants are raping our women" argument, we don't get anywhere close to 1,300% increase in rapes. Stop posting junk stats.
Again: the highest contributing factor in the jump of reported rapes is the very comprehensive definition of what is considered rape in Sweden and the excellent job they have done making women, and men, feel comfortable enough to report them without feeling ashamed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And again, Assange is wanted for rape in Sweden because he said he wore a condom when he didn't.
Sweden has been taking migrants for a lot, lot, lot longer than last year. Sweden has been taking migrants en masse for over 30 years now and it's brought the country's economy to almost breaking point. Sweden will be a third world country by 2030 according to the UN.
Regarding Assange: Rape by deception is a thing the Western world over, as is sex under false pretences.
LordofHats wrote: I could have sworn I left that goal post over here. What the hell is it doing over there?
Damn it who keeps moving my goal posts? I have to pay for these things if they get lost!
:p
Sweden did start taking economic migrants en masse from the 1950s onwards but they were mainly from war torn Soviet bloc countries. If we take it from 1950, then it's been a 1900% increase in rape accusations.
I don't even know where the discussion is anymore.
2016/01/13 19:07:29
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
In 1970, Sweden had 692 reported rapes. Well, that's only a 900% increase!
The next bit is a secret.
Spoiler:
If you look at the graph and look at this data, you can see the direct correlation between immigration and rape rates. Don't tell anyone, though!
Now I'm not accusing you of doing this, but here is a quick primer on how to actually read statistics and how to analyze evidence that is handed to you and actually interpret it instead of simply believing that it means what other people tell you it means.
The next bit is a secret:
Spoiler:
I am accusing you of doing it
Step 1: The very first rule when dealing with statistical trends is to never look at the total number when dealing with long term projections. It's fine when you are looking at a decade or less, but any longer than that and raw numbers are useless because they don't account for population growth. In those cases you should always look at the "rate per 100,000" numbers. So again, best case scenario for your claim is a 695% increase in reported rapes.
Step 2: Look at is where the report got their numbers from, and if there may have been changes made to the definition of rape or the way the data is collected. Thankfully, the report is pretty clear on that:
Sweden Section of law (2010) CC Chap. 6, § 1 Changes in legislation 1965, 1984, 1992, 1998, 2005 Revision of statistical routines 1965, 1968, 1975, 1992-, 1995, 1999
I did my best to try to mark these changes on the graph:
So it seems that for the most part Sweden is pretty much in line with the other countries, with a noticable jump whenever they changed either the definition of what is considered rape, or changed the way they collected rape statistics. The chart doesn't tell us much about migration, nor where migrants came from. It does however say "in this year the law changed" and "in this year, the numbers spiked".
Which brings us back to this point: the highest contributing factor in the jump of reported rapes is the very comprehensive definition of what is considered rape in Sweden and the excellent job they have done making women, and men, feel comfortable enough to report them without feeling ashamed.
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2016/01/13 19:10:07
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
While i was serving in afghanistan(Kunar province) we where approched by fathers whose daughters were assulted.
We wer'nt allowed to do anything, sad to say.
These people are animals.
Europeans have very little idea what these animals think of your little girls and pretty ladies.
And thats the saddest thing of all...
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greg graffin
2016/01/13 19:33:32
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
We wer'nt allowed to do anything, sad to say.
These people are animals.
Your commanders?
A subset of people who live in a country with little to no functional government, never mind the rule of law, in nearly 2 generations is a very bad metric to measure an entire religion against.
A subset of people who live in a country with little to no functional government, never mind the rule of law, in nearly 2 generations is a very bad metric to measure an entire religion against.
That's a fair point, as we all know women's rights is just peachy in the broader Muslim world outside of Afghanistan.
2016/01/13 19:48:26
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Not the same at all, because the Swedish definition does not require penetration. It says so right in the part I bolded for you. Look it up, as you're fond of saying.
What does a "comparable sexual act" constitute, exactly? It says not intercourse but vaginal penetration is not intercourse if the penis is not involved. Maybe I've misunderstood, but I have no idea what that means. It's almost as bad as Sweden taking a "feminist military policy" against Russia. What does that even mean, Walrus?
I imagine the rubbing of erogenous zones would constitute a "comparable sexual act", but I'm not a legal scholar.
For what it's worth, the German law in section 177 covers cases where the perpetrator uses force, the threat of force, or abuses a position of power, whereas the Swedish law (6 kap. 1 §) defines it as being coerced through "assault, threat of force, or other criminal act" (emphasis mine), which is by far broader than simply covering physical, immediate threats or positions of formal power over the victim.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: The right to due process is, in my opinion, non-negotiable. It's the bedrock of modern society. No rights or obligations matter if due process does not exist.
In criminal courts, yes. Otherwise, no.
The right to due process and its equal application to everyone is the central tenent of the rule of law. Simply dismissing someone without even hearing their claim is illegal.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: In which case, why have you been linking so many sources in Swedish and Danish? Are you honestly telling me that you're just linking stuff without actually being able to read them yourself?
I run it through Google Translate.
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I don't know how to respond to this. I haven't got the faintest clue where to start.
Plus, the whole part where you're still pretending penetration is the same thing as "not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone passive".
Because educated first world Jews == Uneducated third world economic migrants.
Time for your favourite expression: citation needed on the level of education.
Sweden has been taking migrants for a lot, lot, lot longer than last year. Sweden has been taking migrants en masse for over 30 years now and it's brought the country's economy to almost breaking point. Sweden will be a third world country by 2030 according to the UN.
Sweden's already a third-world country; we weren't aligned with NATO or the Soviet Union during the Cold War, which technically makes us third world.
I'd just like to point out that the source you used also ran this charming article claiming that Sweden are training asylum seekers to become "killing machines". Further, the study they listed as source for the claim points out on page 2 that:
The projections suggest a possible future for the progression of HDIs, but are not designed to be predictive as changes in conditions and policies will impact a particular country’s HDI. Further, unanticipated “shocks,” such as war, economic sanctions, epidemics, and environmental calamities may negatively impact the HDI, while other shocks such as cures for prevalent diseases such as malaria and HIV/AIDS, end of conflict, sudden dramatic investments in and take-up of education, can positively impact a country’s HDI. Thus, the projections should be interpreted as what might occur based on a past global experience with HDI growth, not a normative suggestion as to what will occur.
A subset of people who live in a country with little to no functional government, never mind the rule of law, in nearly 2 generations is a very bad metric to measure an entire religion against.
That's a fair point, as we all know women's rights is just peachy in the broader Muslim world outside of Afghanistan.
So it seems that for the most part Sweden is pretty much in line with the other countries, with a noticable jump whenever they changed either the definition of what is considered rape, or changed the way they collected rape statistics. The chart doesn't tell us much about migration, nor where migrants came from. It does however say "in this year the law changed" and "in this year, the numbers spiked".
Which brings us back to this point: the highest contributing factor in the jump of reported rapes is the very comprehensive definition of what is considered rape in Sweden and the excellent job they have done making women, and men, feel comfortable enough to report them without feeling ashamed.
What are you even talking about? You... You made this graph. Are we looking at the same thing here? Most of legislation changes are then followed by steady growth, not peaks, and the ones that ARE followed by peaks fall back down into the curve.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Strawmen are against the forum tenets, you really ought to stop using them.
Give me a functional solution to the problem of "testosterone", then.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: The right to due process and its equal application to everyone is the central tenent of the rule of law. Simply dismissing someone without even hearing their claim is illegal.
Nope! That's not how it works. This is not a criminal situation. Sweden should not be required to take migrants, Sweden should be allowed to pick and choose who it makes into citizen as it wants.
If I come into your shop and take a dump on the floor and then you try to kick me out, I can't say, "Hey, I've got a right to fair trial! You might've seen me dump on the floor, but it doesn't count until I've been in the shop for long enough that I can claim squatter's rights!" That's not how it works, Walrus.
Correlation gives significant evidence to check for causation, though. Especially when there's some sort of factor at work that we can observe (in this case, the culture of migrants in regards to women).
Or are you going to say something like, "Well, standing near radiation emitters seems to increase the risk of cancer, but correlation does not imply causation!"?
Walrus, I just find it hilarious that there's no evidence that will ever satisfy you. You do understand that, right? Your cognitive dissonance between what reality is and what you want reality to be is hurting you so much that you constantly increase what amount of evidence is required until nothing is good enough. Nothing would ever be good enough. If I brought out peer-reviewed statistics from a Swedish university that conclusively proved third world immigration increased rape rates you'd say it was wrong for "x" or "y" reason and tell me to get more evidence. No evidence will ever be good enough for you.
Just come right out and admit that you don't actually read what you post, because other than marking the years it's a page from your own source.
Pretty much every single thing you have posted is a lie that you fell for and are repeating as gospel.
In this thread: people who don't know how to use tatistics using numbers to make points that don't exist because other people told them they mean something.
I would say "wake up sheeple", but then somebody would just post that comic.
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2016/01/13 20:38:29
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
We wer'nt allowed to do anything, sad to say.
These people are animals.
Your commanders?
A subset of people who live in a country with little to no functional government, never mind the rule of law, in nearly 2 generations is a very bad metric to measure an entire religion against.
My commanders? ok
Right about me(first sargent(E8) was lt. Robert Limeberry.
Then next would be Captain Tom Heartline
THEN we have Major Phil Jordan
And lastly(if you don't mind me not including the mucky mucks who don't do anything in the field) Col. Shawn Carmindy.
And all of the above mentioned men care only how many of the animals we killed. And that also was the mindset of the lats that were in our AO.
Good enough of an answer?
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greg graffin
2015/11/21 20:42:15
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
Whats weird about soldiers from a "christian" country happily killing muslems?
But here, in the states, everything is done to cover up what these animals do. People have to "smell the coffee" sooner or later, right? Why not smell it before more people die thanks to the "religion of peace"?
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greg graffin
2016/01/13 21:06:07
Subject: Swedish Police Accused of Covering Up Sex Crimes at Festival
A really weird answer, unless you are trying to tell me that the above named individuals made policy.
Also "only how many of the animals we killed" is by far the best way to ensure that a conflict never actually ends, although that is another thread entirely.
bound for glory wrote: Whats weird about soldiers from a "christian" country happily killing muslems?
But here, in the states, everything is done to cover up what these animals do. People have to "smell the coffee" sooner or later, right? Why not smell it before more people die thanks to the "religion of peace"?
Yeah, 'cause regarding people as being less than human has never once caused anything bad to happen.... Wait a minute...
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