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Just going by assumptions:

Take your basic family "Young male, young wife, young child".

- The young male is the person most likely to end up dead in Syria. The same "fighting age male" stuff everyone hear complains about is the same thing that gets them either killed outright, or gets them conscripted and then killed. It's easier to hide a young wife and young child with older family in Syria than being a young male.

- The young male is also the person most likely to survive the trip to Europe, and much less likely to be killed or raped by human traffickers. So you send the person most likely to make the trip successfully.

- Once you get asylum you can work on safely bringing the rest of your family.

Turns out this has been a problem for years at this festival, but local authorities shut up to avoid harming the reputation of the festival.

You know what wasn't a thing that far back though? The Syrian refugee wave. Who're you going to demonize instead?

Source in Swedish: http://dn.se/nyheter/sverige/stockholms-stad-kande-till-overgreppen-i-flera-ar/

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Turns out this has been a problem for years at this festival, but local authorities shut up to avoid harming the reputation of the festival.

You know what wasn't a thing that far back though? The Syrian refugee wave. Who're you going to demonize instead?

Source in Swedish: http://dn.se/nyheter/sverige/stockholms-stad-kande-till-overgreppen-i-flera-ar/

Well there have been large numbers of migrants coming to sweden for years now, not just syrians.

 Minx wrote:
What a brave thing to say from the comfort of your armchair :(

If you could only send one member of your family on a very dangerous journey to an unknown but perhaps safer place, knowing there's a high chance you won't see each other ever again, who would you choose?

It'd be my child, of course. Why would it be me?

 Minx wrote:
not worth it

AKA my position is indefensible but I will ignore the facts for the sake of emotions.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Turns out this has been a problem for years at this festival, but local authorities shut up to avoid harming the reputation of the festival.

You know what wasn't a thing that far back though? The Syrian refugee wave. Who're you going to demonize instead?

Source in Swedish: http://dn.se/nyheter/sverige/stockholms-stad-kande-till-overgreppen-i-flera-ar/

Are you... Are you joking? Are you really suggesting that Sweden hasn't had an endless open migration border policy for at least a solid ten years?

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a346077213447/1425400942138/Overview-2005-2014.pdf

 Ustrello wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a346077213447/1425400942138/Overview-2005-2014.pdf

Couldn't find any rapes on there.

 Ustrello wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a346077213447/1425400942138/Overview-2005-2014.pdf

This chart doesn't seem to indicate anything about criminality. Am I reading it wrong? Cause I've done that before

The chart does seem to indicate that there are a large number of family reunifications, I wonder if that may be those pesky males bringing their families.

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

You're correct, it is!

The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats Party has repeatedly made the claim that the high number of rape reports is at least partly due to the influx of Muslim immigrants. Two reports from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ) are relevant to the rate of rape among immigrants to Sweden and their descendants. The latest published report that indicates the association between immigrants and rape was published in 2005 and revealed that from 1997 to 2001 foreign born individuals were 5.5 times more likely to be charged of rape than individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents and that foreign born individuals from all regions, apart from East Asia, committed sexual assaults at rates up to 5.3 times greater than that of individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents. The report doesn't break down the foreign born category by country of origin despite the fact that country of origin has been found to be highly predictive of crime rates in other Nordic countries. However, a 1996 report by the BRÅ did break down rate of rape convictions by country of origin, using data from 1985 to 1989 it found particularly high rates of rape convictions among certain immigrant groups. After controlling for age, sex and place of residence, the highest rates were for individuals born in North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), Italy, and Iraq who were convicted of rape at rates of 17.5, 16.5 and 12.5 times the native Swedish rate respectively.

The report also states that Muslim African immigrants have the highest overall rate statistics with a rape average of 23 times the Swedish average.

The Gatestone Institute did submit a report on this in 2014, though, and they have to say:

Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

Keep in mind that in EVERY OTHER WESTERN COUNTRY rape statistics have dropped or stayed steady and you should really start to wonder a bit.

 d-usa wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

http://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a346077213447/1425400942138/Overview-2005-2014.pdf

Couldn't find any rapes on there.

Whoops I thought you were referring to sweden basically having an open door migration policy. not the rape thing.

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

A statistic that will be easy to back up, I'm sure...

You're correct, it is!

You can actually link to Wikipedia itself...

The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats Party has repeatedly made the claim that the high number of rape reports is at least partly due to the influx of Muslim immigrants. Two reports from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ) are relevant to the rate of rape among immigrants to Sweden and their descendants. The latest published report that indicates the association between immigrants and rape was published in 2005 and revealed that from 1997 to 2001 foreign born individuals were 5.5 times more likely to be charged of rape than individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents and that foreign born individuals from all regions, apart from East Asia, committed sexual assaults at rates up to 5.3 times greater than that of individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents. The report doesn't break down the foreign born category by country of origin despite the fact that country of origin has been found to be highly predictive of crime rates in other Nordic countries. However, a 1996 report by the BRÅ did break down rate of rape convictions by country of origin, using data from 1985 to 1989 it found particularly high rates of rape convictions among certain immigrant groups. After controlling for age, sex and place of residence, the highest rates were for individuals born in North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), Italy, and Iraq who were convicted of rape at rates of 17.5, 16.5 and 12.5 times the native Swedish rate respectively.

 d-usa wrote:

You can actually link to Wikipedia itself...

I don't trust Wikipedia not to be changed.

 d-usa wrote:
So we went from 21 rapes by migrants compared to 1 rape per Swede to 5.3 raped by foreign born individuals.

Then it went to 17.5 rapes for North Africans, 16.5 rapes for Italians, and 12.5 rapes for Iraqis.

...You do see how out of date this stuff is, right? 1985 to 1989. God damn 25-30 years ago. Sweden has had a LOT more immigration since then.

 d-usa wrote:
Couldn't find a mention of that in the Wikipedia article you cited.

Because it's not listed on the Wikipedia article. Hence why I say, "in the report itself".

 d-usa wrote:
1. You would do well to ignore Gatestone Institute.
2. Sweden changed the laws to count more things as rape than most other countries, and once something is reported as rape it is forever reported as rape even if the investigation ends up proving that no rape was committed. That info is even in the article you linked.

1. Why? Because you disagree with them? Just because you dislike a fact doesn't make it not true, it just makes you delusional.
2. And? That doesn't account for a 1472% increase in rapes. It would, maybe, double the number of rapes. Almost a fifteen hundred percent increase suggests an epidemic. Nevermind violent crime increasing by 300%.

The current one is undergoing an edit war about a section titled the 'Rape Capital Myth'. Heaven forbid someone click the link to the actual article while that section is on it

 nullBolt wrote:

I don't trust Wikipedia not to be changed.

Then you shouldn't use it as a source to begin with.

 d-usa wrote:
So we went from 21 rapes by migrants compared to 1 rape per Swede to 5.3 raped by foreign born individuals.

Then it went to 17.5 rapes for North Africans, 16.5 rapes for Italians, and 12.5 rapes for Iraqis.

...You do see how out of date this stuff is, right? 1985 to 1989. God damn 25-30 years ago. Sweden has had a LOT more immigration since then.

And the one published in 2005 shows 5.3 foreign born per 1 swede.

 d-usa wrote:
Couldn't find a mention of that in the Wikipedia article you cited.

Because it's not listed on the Wikipedia article. Hence why I say, "in the report itself".

Then link to the actual report?

 d-usa wrote:
1. You would do well to ignore Gatestone Institute.
2. Sweden changed the laws to count more things as rape than most other countries, and once something is reported as rape it is forever reported as rape even if the investigation ends up proving that no rape was committed. That info is even in the article you linked.

1. Why? Because you disagree with them? Just because you dislike a fact doesn't make it not true, it just makes you delusional.
2. And? That doesn't account for a 1472% increase in rapes. It would, maybe, double the number of rapes. Almost a fifteen hundred percent increase suggests an epidemic. Nevermind violent crime increasing by 300%.

1. Because it's a partisan hack organization that manages to do an even worse job citing and presenting their statistics accurately than you are?
2. 1472% increase? The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reports that there were 185 rape convictions in 2005, which peaked to 245 convictions in 2008, and then actually dropped to 172 last year. So actually rape convictions are down. Now, it's important to look at convictions because as stated earlier, if someone reports a rape and it is found to be a false report, it stays in the statistics as a reported rape. If you want to go by reports, they have increased 300%, from 2,200 to 6,600 according to the BBC. But the BBS also states:

"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before." The change in law meant that cases where the victim was asleep or intoxicated are now included in the figures. Previously they'd been recorded as another category of crime.

If I remember right, Assange was charged with rape because he said he wore a condom, but he didn't put one on, and since the woman consented to protected sex and not unprotected sex it was registered as a rape.

Sweden has the most comprehensive rape laws of any western nation, and from the looks of it Sweden does an outstanding job getting victims of sexual abuse to come forward and report crimes. That's the main reason numbers jumped up as much as they did, and they are still FAR below 1472%.

 d-usa wrote:
Then you shouldn't use it as a source to begin with.

I'm not using it as a source, I'm using it as something to direct you to because you don't speak Swedish.

 d-usa wrote:
And the one published in 2005 shows 5.3 foreign born per 1 swede.

Controlling for what percentage of the population they are makes it 20 times higher.

 Da Boss wrote:
Attacks have already started in Cologne unfortunately. But it's predictable if people think the police will not protect them.

Which is of course hilarious ignorance, not an unusual quality in cases like this. Big incidents like this always skew public opinion, but the reality on the ground whether you're disabled/mentally ill, an immigrant, or a smaller religious group is you're far more likely statistically(per-capita) to be a victim of crime than a perpetrator.

But people robbing the mentally ill, beating the crippled, and abusing brown folk isn't news, much rarer incidents of brown folk abusing white girls or mentally ill folk going mental with a weapon evidently are. At least according to the folk who own the newspapers.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which is of course hilarious ignorance, not an unusual quality in cases like this. Big incidents like this always skew public opinion, but the reality on the ground whether you're disabled/mentally ill, an immigrant, or a smaller religious group is you're far more likely statistically(per-capita) to be a victim of crime than a perpetrator.

But people robbing the mentally ill, beating the crippled, and abusing brown folk isn't news, much rarer incidents of brown folk abusing white girls or mentally ill folk going mental with a weapon evidently are. At least according to the folk who own the newspapers.

Go look up Rotherham, man.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Turns out this has been a problem for years at this festival, but local authorities shut up to avoid harming the reputation of the festival.

You know what wasn't a thing that far back though? The Syrian refugee wave. Who're you going to demonize instead?

Source in Swedish: http://dn.se/nyheter/sverige/stockholms-stad-kande-till-overgreppen-i-flera-ar/

Are you... Are you joking? Are you really suggesting that Sweden hasn't had an endless open migration border policy for at least a solid ten years?

You do realise that the Swedish government years ago made it illegal to report ethnicity and immigration status statistics in their crime data because so many rapes were being committed by migrants, right? It was something ridiculous like 21 rapes by a migrant compared to 1 rape by a Swedish man and the amount of migrants was much lower back then, too.

Right, so now we're going from "Syrian immigrants bad!" to "ALL immigrants bad!" and then making a statement that you've failed to back up whatsoever.

You friggin' STARTED the thread with the spoilered

 nullBolt wrote:

I predict a page 4 lock after people come here to try to derail

and then proceeded to derail your own thread by making it about immigration instead of the sexual abuse coverup. You're not arguing in good faith. The fact that you claim to be able to tell a person's age from a picture alone is ludicrous.

 nullBolt wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which is of course hilarious ignorance, not an unusual quality in cases like this. Big incidents like this always skew public opinion, but the reality on the ground whether you're disabled/mentally ill, an immigrant, or a smaller religious group is you're far more likely statistically(per-capita) to be a victim of crime than a perpetrator.

But people robbing the mentally ill, beating the crippled, and abusing brown folk isn't news, much rarer incidents of brown folk abusing white girls or mentally ill folk going mental with a weapon evidently are. At least according to the folk who own the newspapers.

Go look up Rotherham, man.

You don't argue by telling people to "look it up", you back your claims up with sources.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Right, so now we're going from "Syrian immigrants bad!" to "ALL immigrants bad!" and then making a statement that you've failed to back up whatsoever.

Back up YOUR claims, mate. Where did I say anything you're saying?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
and then proceeded to derail your own thread by making it about immigration instead of the sexual abuse coverup. You're not arguing in good faith. The fact that you claim to be able to tell a person's age from a picture alone is ludicrous.

Because they covered it up because it's migrants? I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp.

Funny how your tune changes as soon as it's not about how all men are rapists but how all migrant men are rapists. I guess tarring one group with a brush is fine (a much bigger, diverse group) but the other isn't?

Also, those guys are obviously older than 20. It's not a matter of "just telling age", you can easily grasp what age range someone is in by looking at them. Oh, also, Sweden used to test for age until it turned out 85% of migrant children were much older than they were saying they were.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You don't argue by telling people to "look it up", you back your claims up with sources.

Rotherham's a well known case of sexual abuse of white children by Pakistani migrants that was covered up by the police because they didn't want to be seen as racists. I don't need to back something like this up because with a simple Google search you can get as much information as you need.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Right, so now we're going from "Syrian immigrants bad!" to "ALL immigrants bad!" and then making a statement that you've failed to back up whatsoever.

Back up YOUR claims, mate. Where did I say anything you're saying?

The post I quoted? I pointed out that the issues at this festival predates the Syrian refugee crisis, at which point you answered by pointing out that Sweden's taken a relatively high amount of refugees from other countries as well, ergo you're trying to blame refugees as a group.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
and then proceeded to derail your own thread by making it about immigration instead of the sexual abuse coverup. You're not arguing in good faith. The fact that you claim to be able to tell a person's age from a picture alone is ludicrous.

Because they covered it up because it's migrants? I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp.

And yet the thread could just as easily have been about institutional flaws in Swedish police, but you couldn't even wait a page to jump on the immigrant-bashing bandwagon.

 nullBolt wrote:
Also, those guys are obviously older than 20. It's not a matter of "just telling age", you can easily grasp what age range someone is in by looking at them. Oh, also, Sweden used to test for age until it turned out 85% of migrant children were much older than they were saying they were.

Bull. Also, citation needed. How does one accurately "test for age"?

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You don't argue by telling people to "look it up", you back your claims up with sources.

Rotherham's a well known case of sexual abuse of white children by Pakistani migrants that was covered up by the police because they didn't want to be seen as racists. I don't need to back something like this up because with a simple Google search you can get as much information as you need.

How does it tie into your argument? You can't just tell someone to "read up on this!" and then expect them to be able to read your mind.

You're STILL not providing sources for your claims BTW.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The post I quoted? I pointed out that the issues at this festival predates the Syrian refugee crisis, at which point you answered by pointing out that Sweden's taken a relatively high amount of refugees from other countries as well, ergo you're trying to blame refugees as a group.

Swedish logic, everyone.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And yet the thread could just as easily have been about institutional flaws in Swedish police, but you couldn't even wait a page to jump on the immigrant-bashing bandwagon.

Considering the primary institutional flaw is the fact that Swedish police are more interested in pro-migrant politics than actual policing, I fail to see your point.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bull. Also, citation needed. How does one accurately "test for age"?

Wrist bone x-rays and dental tests. They're not completely accurate, but they allow you to have some idea of age range.

The Danish do it. If you read through that article you can see that they tested 285 migrants for their age and found... 203 of them were not underage. 71% of them were not underage.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
How does it tie into your argument? You can't just tell someone to "read up on this!" and then expect them to be able to read your mind.

You're STILL not providing sources for your claims BTW.

Because it was a cover up of the sexual assault of white minors by migrants? Just like this one? Do I have to give you every facet of a concept by hand? Is this why you're struggling so much? Do you get all your opinions from the Swedish media instead of looking at facts and deciding for yourself?

Neither are you, kiddo.

Age wise. Its pretty much standard as you age bones fuse and such so check that it can tell you if someone's in a certain range of age.

 nullBolt wrote:

Neither are you, kiddo.

Mainly because I'm spending my time asking you for sources. I'm not the one making claims about things in this thread, and you'll note that I actually provided a source when I did.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The post I quoted? I pointed out that the issues at this festival predates the Syrian refugee crisis, at which point you answered by pointing out that Sweden's taken a relatively high amount of refugees from other countries as well, ergo you're trying to blame refugees as a group.

Swedish logic, everyone.

Ad hominem, but you'll note that I'm not blaming that on Germans as a group. You're not making a very good attempt at hiding the fact that you're treating people differently based on their nationality.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And yet the thread could just as easily have been about institutional flaws in Swedish police, but you couldn't even wait a page to jump on the immigrant-bashing bandwagon.

Considering the primary institutional flaw is the fact that Swedish police are more interested in pro-migrant politics than actual policing, I fail to see your point.

Then why are you complaining about refugees not being the age they claim? That's unrelated to the question at hand, no?

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bull. Also, citation needed. How does one accurately "test for age"?

Wrist bone x-rays and dental tests. They're not completely accurate, but they allow you to have some idea of age range.

The Danish do it. If you read through that article you can see that they tested 285 migrants for their age and found... 203 of them were not underage. 71% of them were not underage.

The article you linked itself points out how the tests are inaccurate and shouldn't ever be used as stand-alone evidence (see below). If the age range is 16-20, then what? You still haven't explained how you can tell a person's "true" age just by looking at a photograph of them.

mx.dk wrote:En sådan test vil altid have en vis unøjagtighed og bør om muligt ikke stå alene, siger formand for Retslægerådet, Bent Ottesen.

 nullBolt wrote:
Because it was a cover up of the sexual assault of white minors by migrants? Just like this one? Do I have to give you every facet of a concept by hand?

And what exactly is the argument you're making? You've just told people to "look it up" and then not bothered to explain WHY. Yes, it's a case of immigrants sexually abusing children. What's your point?

 nullBolt wrote:
Do you get all your opinions from the Swedish media instead of looking at facts and deciding for yourself?

Says the guy who linked the Gatestone Institute as a source.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Mainly because I'm spending my time asking you for sources. I'm not the one making claims about things in this thread, and you'll note that I actually provided a source when I did.

You didn't source where I said this was the fault of Syrian migrants. You haven't sourced anything I said directly, in fact.

I've posted a lot of sources, you're just wilfully ignoring them because you're scared of the facts.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ad hominem, but you'll note that I'm not blaming that on Germans as a group. You're not making a very good attempt at hiding the fact that you're treating people differently based on their nationality.

Good thing you're not, because I'm not German.

What, exactly, is wrong with treating people differently based on their nationality? Isn't this part of the whole equity deal you kind of people like to chat about?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Then why are you complaining about refugees not being the age they claim? That's unrelated to the question at hand, no?

Not really, since it allows them to be let off from sexual assault and rape charges with a slap on the wrist (if that).

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The article you linked itself points out how the tests are inaccurate and shouldn't ever be used as stand-alone evidence (see below). If the age range is 16-20, then what? You still haven't explained how you can tell a person's "true" age just by looking at a photograph of them.

So when the police ask you to identify someone's age, you just say, "I DONT KNOW MR POLICEMAN I'M NOT PSYCHIC SIR"? Genuinely, your logic is nonsense. But then again, I'm not shocked considering how awful your logic was in the last thread about this sort of thing.

I said it's not completely accurate but that it allows for identification of some sort of age range. Maybe they should have passports or birth certificates?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And what exactly is the argument you're making? You've just told people to "look it up" and then not bothered to explain WHY. Yes, it's a case of immigrants sexually abusing children. What's your point?

My point is that it's endemic, kiddo. Factual evidence. Hard evidence. True evidence.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Says the guy who linked the Gatestone Institute as a source.

Literally nothing to do with what I said. :')

Almighty, if the facts are against you, maybe you're the one in the wrong? I just want to tell you that.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Says the guy who linked the Gatestone Institute as a source.

If it's that bad of a source, it should be incredibly easy to refute with counter-sources that show why it's incorrect.

 nullBolt wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The article you linked itself points out how the tests are inaccurate and shouldn't ever be used as stand-alone evidence (see below). If the age range is 16-20, then what? You still haven't explained how you can tell a person's "true" age just by looking at a photograph of them.

So when the police ask you to identify someone's age, you just say, "I DONT KNOW MR POLICEMAN I'M NOT PSYCHIC SIR"? Genuinely, your logic is nonsense. But then again, I'm not shocked considering how awful your logic was in the last thread about this sort of thing.

Yeah, that post really isn't a good example to use if you're trying to argue that your logic is superior to AlmightyWalrus's.

To explain; assuming that "arab culture" is homogenous automatically assigns traits and features to them as a group because of the definition of the word homogenous. It assumes that they're all the same, and therefore have the same traits and features.

Also, have you tried not referring to people as "kiddo"? Generally people are more receptive to opposing views if they feel that they're discussing things with someone that isn't a condescending ass.

 Da Boss wrote:
I saw some numbers (sorry, I can't remember where) that suggested it was roughly a 50/50 split between young men and families.

They're lies.

Here's another one for you guys: A Munich girl got raped and her sister sexually assaulted by Syrian migrants at a public pool.

 Goliath wrote:
Yeah, that post really isn't a good example to use if you're trying to argue that your logic is superior to AlmightyWalrus's.

Have you tried not referring to people as "kiddo"? Generally people are more receptive to opposing views if they feel that they're discussing things with someone that isn't a condescending ass.

People are never receptive to opposing viewpoints in a discussion. The goal is to convince everyone else who is reading. AlmightyWalrus is too emotionally invested to change his opinion.

 Goliath wrote:
Maybe we should just let them all drown in the Aegean?

To be honest, it would stop them coming. And therefore stop them dying.

 nullBolt wrote:
Here's another one for you guys: A Munich girl got raped and her sister sexually assaulted by Syrian migrants at a public pool.

 Goliath wrote:
Yeah, that post really isn't a good example to use if you're trying to argue that your logic is superior to AlmightyWalrus's.

Have you tried not referring to people as "kiddo"? Generally people are more receptive to opposing views if they feel that they're discussing things with someone that isn't a condescending ass.

People are never receptive to opposing viewpoints in a discussion. The goal is to convince everyone else who is reading. AlmightyWalrus is too emotionally invested to change his opinion.

Okay. "everyone else who is reading" are less likely to listen to a person if they come across as a condescending ass.

 Goliath wrote:
Maybe we should just let them all drown in the Aegean?

To be honest, it would stop them coming. And therefore stop them dying.

Well, at least your views are consistent.

If we can stick to the topic and drop the name calling, nicknames etc etc

last warning.