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Someone had made a comment about black Friars seeing through impersonation? Is this a new ability/skill? Or did I miss something?

It's their Bioscanner gear.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's their Bioscanner gear.

Ah yes I see it now, they have LVL1. The photos on 4chan are almost impossible to make out.

Looks like Bao troops for Yu Jing have LVL2. Do we have any idea which other units are getting those?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's their Bioscanner gear.

Ah yes I see it now. The photos on 4chan are almost impossible to make out. Do we have any idea which other units are getting those?

A few Bao profiles include it.

I'm going to assume that Bioscanner Level 1 lets you reduce the -6 to discover Imp 1 to -3, whilst Level 2 reduces it to zero.

Bioscanner level 1 ignores the penalty for discover impersonation state level 1.

Bioscanner level 2, it has benefits of bioscanner level 1, however it also adds +3 MOD to discover against impersonation marker, regardless of the state of the impersonation marker (IMP -1, IMP -2).

They both ignore Surprise Shot by Holoprojector/impersonation marker or when in CC with impersonation/holoecho marker.

Aleph observations of weird/interesting stuff:

Thorakites all are now Religious Troops?!?! That's weird. Also, they all lost their innate 360visor; only the SMG profiles have it. Additionally, they lost the Spitfire and gained the HMG, Fuerbach, and Marksman Rifle. Nesaie still has her Spitfire (with Religious Troop and 360 Visor). Seems their role is much more of a stand-your-ground troop now.

Scylla and Drakios's Devabots are now named. Naturally, this means they both get Jungle Terrain...? Drakios also has access to the Red Fury weapon.

Atalanta's Spotbot is no longer a separate model. It's now a Tinbot E (Spotter) "marker".

Patroclus went from having the worst Holoprojector L1 to the best Holoprojector L3. His ODD is downgraded to a Mimetism if he wants to Duo with Achilles v2.0. Holoprojector L3 allows him to not only impersonate a model with Holo1, but also clone Holo Echoes with Holo2. You can run around with four Achilles v2.0s (lol)!

Penthesilea reduced 3pt and i-Kohl has some new rules. i-Kohl now across different levels can be used to reduce opponent mod or increase your own. Also, damage mod increases across levels. Penthesilea specifically can get +3 to self or -3 to opponent at +1damage each. Overall a slight nerf to Penthesilea considering she used to impose -6 to opponent; damage boost is irrelevant with her monofilament weapon.

Phoenix exchanges loses his Assault Pistol and gains a Heavy Pistol going up 5(!) points.

Posthumans got a rather nice buff. Inactive proxies can now declare AROs normally if an enemy crosses its LOF. If several Proxies would get an ARO, only one can actually become 'active' and take the ARO. If an active Proxy is killed or goes unconscious, another Proxy automatically goes active. No more need for Netrods. Proxy Mk1s reduced 4pt. Proxy Mk3s reduced 5pt. Proxy Mk4 can take HMG or HRocketLauncher at ARM5. Proxy Mk5 is a cheap option ARM3 FO specialist(!) for 10pt or a Mk12.

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Misc observations:

Tinbot C is "Neurocinetics"

Tinbot D is "Albedo". For the first two turns of the game, the owner gets a White Noise effect becoming invisible to MSV.

Tinbot E is "Spotter"

Feuerbach now has a secondary fire mode giving it Burst 1 EXP. They're also innately much more acctuate at long ranges having +3 from 16-32 and +0 from 32-48.

Red Fury is DAM13, Burst 4, Shock Ammo. It's not the BTS/Plasma Spitfire people were thinking it was.

SMGs can now choose between identical profiles firing AP or Shock ammo.

Vorpal Ammo like the Samaritan's Predator Throwing-Disc is a Monofilament weapon that can be 'thrown' up to 8". It returns to its thrower.

If a hackable Holoprojector L1 troop enters the ZoC of an enemy hacker, their hackability becomes Public Information even if the thing they're disguised as isn't hackable.

Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed.

Lo-Tech is basically a transformation. Once the Lo-Tech profile loses all W/STR, they get their Battle-Ravaged form.

If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!

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Also, concept art from a long time ago because nobody posted them recently:

Xeodron Batroids:
Haris-linkable TAGs.


Overdron Batroids:
TAGs with heavy weapons.
Gets the "White Noise" Tinbot.

How awesome does that last concept look??

Glad Sekbans have got a slight boost, they'll now be even more of an attractive option after the last changes (which is great as they are nice miniatures)

 Knight wrote:
Bioscanner level 1 ignores the penalty for discover impersonation state level 1.

Bioscanner level 2, it has benefits of bioscanner level 1, however it also adds +3 MOD to discover against impersonation marker, regardless of the state of the impersonation marker (IMP -1, IMP -2).

They both ignore Surprise Shot by Holoprojector or Surprise Shot when in CC with impersonation marker.

My Bao SWAT team is looking better and better!

I now have a reason to buy even more stuff - this shopping list is getting more and more expensive every day.

 Absolutionis wrote:
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Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed

They made a comment about Achilles & Patroclus forming a duo link and using the Holo2 to make it look like 4 copies of Achilles.
That was in one of the BoW video.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
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Holoprojector L2 units using Holoechoes cannot be part of a Fireteam. It can join a Fireteam if it doesn't have Holoechoes deployed

They made a comment about Achilles & Patroclus forming a duo link and using the Holo2 to make it look like 4 copies of Achilles.
That was in one of the BoW video.

Patroclus now has Holoprojector L3.

Not sure if this has been asked or already brought up but any news on Nester ran Bolts getting a buff? I dearly like the models.

Bolts are getting no buffs nor Haris nor anything.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Not sure if this has been asked or already brought up but any news on Nester ran Bolts getting a buff? I dearly like the models.

No changes or new profiles for Bolts.

 Knight wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Not sure if this has been asked or already brought up but any news on Nester ran Bolts getting a buff? I dearly like the models.

No changes or new profiles for Bolts.

Sum of a biscuit!!!
Those models are never getting finished lol.

Bolts not getting a buff is meh.
But NCA sure as hell got a buff! Haris or duo ORCs! Blackfriar AVA1... reduction in Attack Drone cost. And most important of all...
LOCUSTS!

Unfortunately, that doesn't help with Bolts sucking the big one.

There needs to be a cottage industry based on deployable/token model manufacturing.... tinbots, koalas, dropbears, madtraps...

There is? There's a lot of manufacturers that make tokens, and if you look around facebook and various forums, plenty of garage manufacturers. I can think of 4 commercial companies off the top of my head that make tokens - Lasertouch (though currently only wound tokens, but they do silhouettes and templates), Microart Studios, Customeeple and Warsen.al.

Nah i mean like actual little models. I dunno if CB is gonna start offering koalas and tinbots and pandas for seperate sale.

CB seems to like consolidating things together as shown with the Support packs of doc+engi+2bots. Considering the Janissaries and Hector came with models for their own tinbot, it's unlikely they'll be released separately.

Plus, with some models like Hector and the Overdron Batroids come with tinbots compulsory. If they have the space, they'll probably put them in. Most models that come with Koalas also have them compulsory, so models like the O-Yoroi and such simply have them as models.

CB has been providing them as they exist.

 Micky wrote:
Nah i mean like actual little models. I dunno if CB is gonna start offering koalas and tinbots and pandas for seperate sale.

They do. This is the issue I have with those models to begin with. They're not meant to be models. They're all markers in the game rules. CB just decided to make models for them because little robot pandas and koalas and other little robots are cute. We actually missed out on a Jannisary so they could throw a tinbot in their box when we have perfectly good tinbot markers.

So when will they put out a N3:HS PDF?

We've already got bits and pieces floating around. I'm sure somebody's taken the time to scan the whole thing in by now anyway.

The real reason to buy the dead tree version is the fluff and preorder mini anyway.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
So when will they put out a N3:HS PDF?

We've already got bits and pieces floating around. I'm sure somebody's taken the time to scan the whole thing in by now anyway.

The real reason to buy the dead tree version is the fluff and preorder mini anyway.

I would guess the PDF would be up shortly after the physical release.

They said HSN3 ITS offical around may 5-8 so around then I would think.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
So when will they put out a N3:HS PDF?

We've already got bits and pieces floating around. I'm sure somebody's taken the time to scan the whole thing in by now anyway.

The real reason to buy the dead tree version is the fluff and preorder mini anyway.

I would guess the PDF would be up shortly after the physical release.

We don't know precisely when that is. Preorders go until April 27th; which means HSN3 will likely be a May release for the US and ROW.

As Noir said though, they're saying that Human Sphere N3 becomes ITS legal May 5-8th, somewhere in there. Whenever it becomes ITS legal we'll get the PDFs for the unit stats, the PDFs for the rules, and Army 6 updated to include the units.


In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!

Yea, I thought Carlos said in one of the BoW videos that Marauders were coming in June and Minutemen towards the end of the year.

 Kanluwen wrote:
In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!

Do CB releases usually contain a box and blisters? I'm trying to guess when Shock Army starter could make an appearance. I'm guessing September, though I wouldn't mind it as early as August.

 Knight wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
In other news, someone is saying that they were told by Bostria at Adepticon that Marauders are coming this summer, with Minutemen possibly appearing this year as well!

Do CB releases usually contain a box and blisters? I'm trying to guess when Shock Army starter could make an appearance. I'm guessing September, though I wouldn't mind it as early as August.

We haven't had any indication of the SAA starter being redone yet.
This year is focusing on Yu Jing, and after the Uhlan we're supposed to start seeing SAA get some love for PanO.

As for their monthly releases:
It's usually a mixture of boxes and blisters, sometimes with a book in the mix taking the place of the blisters.

 Absolutionis wrote:
If you ever kill or unconscious a Civilian, you automatically lose the game (lol)!

- Salvage