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Wayland are offering 20% discount (on an RRP of £75, down to £60) for Red Veil

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/infinity-essentials/32468-operation-red-veil-with-yuan-yuan-exclusive-miniature

Some pics from FB

Do we have rules for a combat shield yet?

Nothing specific, but the unknown ranger has Arm 4 which probably represents the shield.

Yeah it's something I immediatly imagined when I saw the profile, although I half expected a more captain america look alike (since they've already done Deadpool ...)

Is he wearing a mask? I wish it were possible to get a shot of the unassembled figure, sometimes. At least it looks like it should be possible to make him from s regular Grunt if you can't get this figure.

He's wearing a mask. It specifically states in his fluff that his face is never exposed.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Do we have rules for a combat shield yet?

No; and we're not getting them.

It's his T2 CCW.

 Kanluwen wrote:
He's wearing a mask. It specifically states in his fluff that his face is never exposed.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Do we have rules for a combat shield yet?

No; and we're not getting them.

It's his T2 CCW.

And his Arm 4.

Some pics of Mushashi

So glad to see the tone of this thread has taken a change for the better!
Last time I checked there were some people who were mostly just snarky, cynical and apparently so massively unhappy with the miniatures, the game and the company, it was pretty surprising they always took the time to complain about every single aspect of them.
Boy, has that changed!

Nice bait.

Complaining about Complaining rarely accomplishes much though - kill them with kindness and overwhelming (and thoughtful) positivity!

Info from the new video:

- Named "Dire Foes Mission Pack 6: Defiant Truth"
- Dire Foes box coming in October/November.
- Mad Traps are like Crazy Koalas except use IMM lvl2 Adhesive Ammunition
- Both models were costed just so that if you combine them with Red Veil, it comes out to 200pt.

Profiles were leaked earlier:


Also a video on how to build the terrain:


Also a battle report:

For the same price the Yu Jing guy seems significantly better. Both just as a profile comparison and in the context of what's available to their respective armies.

 plastictrees wrote:
For the same price the Yu Jing guy seems significantly better. Both just as a profile comparison and in the context of what's available to their respective armies.

I was thinking the same thing!

What are we missing?

 Alpharius wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
For the same price the Yu Jing guy seems significantly better. Both just as a profile comparison and in the context of what's available to their respective armies.

I was thinking the same thing!

What are we missing?

The Haqq one being a WIP 14 KHD with D Charges? For 20 points?

Sounds alright to me.

Especially as Killian pointed out that it could Cybermask, get to where it needed to be and then get stuff done.

Shock Marksman Rifle and Breaker Pistol are nothing to sneeze at either.

What troop is she based on? Ghulam?

She has govad elements on her armor, but assuming she has no skills I'd assume a Ghulam.
Hope is she will allow Hassassins to have a 5 man Ghulam link.

She's not horrible or anything, we can just already do all of that stuff with slightly different guys. Barid is better at hacking and religious etc.
Her big thing will be link team availability.

Basically, a cheap specialist, and a slightly better shot (BS12) than a Ghulam, with a nice rifle. (slight better range bands, and better ammo against W1 troops.) And the breaker pistol is fine for the up close shooting that the rifle is not. Not a bad deal at 20 points/0 SWC, but nothing spectacular. A better deal than Yasbir though. The Holoprojector changes really did not improve the profile that much.

October/November release then. I think August releases (September available) will be 3 at most, because Red Veil will be eating into production capacity still. No word on the civvie in the box. Bummer.

I'm wondering if they'll pull a Janissary box and the 'civvie' will be the Yu Jing guys mad trap.

Don't forget a KHD gives her access to Cybermask. Impersonator L2 with a Shock marksman Rifle is pretty nasty.

I am liking the new cardboard terrain. The bridges make it a little more tactically interesting.

Is the Unknown Ranger completely exclusive or only this variant (like Van Zant last year)?

 Dentry wrote:
Is the Unknown Ranger completely exclusive or only this variant (like Van Zant last year)?

Just this variant, like Van Zant.

 plastictrees wrote:
For the same price the Yu Jing guy seems significantly better.

Well, yeah. Yu Jing is objectively better than Haqqislam.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
He's wearing a mask. It specifically states in his fluff that his face is never exposed.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Do we have rules for a combat shield yet?

No; and we're not getting them.

It's his T2 CCW.

And his Arm 4.

I'm pretty sure the big CCW strapped to his left thigh is the T2 CCW...

There could very well still be skills or weapons that the dire foes have that we don't know about it if there are alternate profiles. One might have a infiltrating or forward deployment profile.

There is only so much you can, or should, jam into a 20 point/0 SWC unit though. The alternate profiles might allow for linking with a fireteam in a particular sectorial, like Dire Foes units do now.

Now of course, we get to wait for GenCon, in 27 days, and whatever news comes from there. Unless we get a preview of these Dire Foes ( renders, info on the civvie if any, etc.) I doubt there will be much news 'til then.

When you think about 20pts, they both make sense, and both have pretty distinct roles. With a Killer Hacking Device, Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges and a Breaker Pistol, Leila is a solo hunter. Cybermask and go off looking for targets or objectives. She's probably going to be able to link with Ghulam, but her role is more as a solo peice. Having a KHD makes her a hacker (albeit a limited one - can KHD's use Spotlight?) for objectives.

With Number 2, a light flamethrower, Madtraps and Forward Observer, Xi Zhuang is built to be a link member. Number 2 means as long as he's a live, the link is safe from breaking from a loss of leader, and his gear is close range defensive, deterring attacking the link. Forward Observer is a cheap specialist skill to let him do limited objectives.

That wasn't much of a battle report BoW put up. Carlos' rotten luck ruined the whole thing. Though there were a few points where he could have turned it around even after his TAG went down.

I'm not up on all the ins & outs of Haqq, but that's not much of a list he was using.

Dropped $50 on a pre order of Red Veil today sicne I was at the FLGS having a game. Haven't been this ansty for a release in a long time.

Has anyone else done the math to figure out the cost of the Ahl Fassed based on the inclusion of 2 20pt, 0swc Dire Foes making the forces equal at 200pts?

That brings each side in Red Veil 180pts. That adds up for the Yu Jing side. Zuyong Lt (Carlos used that in the battle report), 3 plain Zanshi, Tiger hacker, Hsien HMG and Ninja Tactical Bow comes to 180pts, 2.5SWC.

For Haqqislam, Khawarij Lt (Killian used this in the battle report), 3 plain Ghulam, Tuareg sniper and Zhayedan Breaker Rifle comes to 127pts, 0.5swc.

To get to 180pts, the Ahl Fassed is 53 points. Assuming the SWC is even, it's 2swc. 53pt, 2swc seem fair for that over the 41pts, 2swc for an Azra'il AP HMG. You're getting a slightly inferior HMG, but gaining an LGL, Veteran L1, Minelayer and a Heavy Pistol, without seeing what their new stat line is. It's enough of a cost bump - 12 more points - that even in Vanilla, there's reason to go with the Azra'il if you don't have the 12pts spare for the Ahl Fassed