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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I never realised there is a contract universally enforced on wargame companies that they must be GW and behave as GW.

Why should CB create their own decals (and go into trouble on learning how to do it and ultimately subcontract somebody to do it) if someone else with the expertise is willing to do it as a licensed partner?

Because.

That's literally the only reason I can think of.

Nomads get refurbished TAGs.
Haqq have to import their REMs.
Ateks suffer persecution and drive off unfinished bridges.
We have to have Authorised 3rd party decals.

We all have our crosses to bear.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Or maybe because it's something that should not be coming from a third party company?

Is it really considered 3rd party, if there is an agreement and some sort of license that allows them to create official product? That is one of the reasons why they can't do weapons, it wasn't in their agreement to do them. It isn't like they are generic order token that utilizes a non-official symbol though. If CB was going to do it, they would have licensed someone else to do it (basically what is being done now).

Exactly! CB would probably have contracted someone out to make official decals, just like they did with terrain. All they're doing is choosing not to be a middle man.

Meanwhile, back ON TOPIC here...

(Because there is a nice dedicated sub-forum to discuss a lot of that other...stuff.)

 .Mikes. wrote:
The Azure Dragon is over $190AU delivered to Australia. It's nice, but not that nice.

In the meantime guys on the Infinity Australia FB page have been buying these for $30 from Target.

That one goes for $70 state side.

I have one of the other avenger jets, that comes with cap on the motorcycle, and it's way too big for an infinity game unless you really design a scenario around it.

There are lots of Guardians of the Galaxy ships though that are much cheaper, less of a collectors item, that look good on a table and go for around $10 on amazon. I'm picking up extra vehicle decals for when I paint these and those go for $1.30 on this KSer.

+1 for the GotG ships.

I have one of these

for $10 Australian and free postage a few months ago.

Take off the little guns and it makes a nice sci-fi shippie.

 Kanluwen wrote:
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Sooo...the only way to get decals is from 3rd parties? Well. Not gonna say anything more about that.

It's exactly as has been done for Battletech since forever. People don't seem to mind...

 Vain wrote:
+1 for the GotG ships.

I have one of these

Spoiler:

for $10 Australian and free postage a few months ago.

Take off the little guns and it makes a nice sci-fi shippie.

And that mini makes a nifty Daktari proxy too

GenCon Presentation is still on the Saturday, no? 6 August. 25 days to go. Any hints as to what it will contain? Apart from some more on the Dire Foes?

That Avengers dropship is pretty nice and have seen some very effective re-workings of it (airbrushing, cover over the cockpit canopy and it quickly stops looking like a toy).

Another good option is the Hasegawa 'Falke' - it's meant to be 1:20 scale, but if you again cover the canopy and leave off the gun (which is otherwise a bit over-sized for 28mm scale). Have one of these with my Haqqislam and think it fits very well. They can be expensive (think £70+ is going rate) but if you wait around I have seen them for £30-40.

 Kanluwen wrote:
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Sooo...the only way to get decals is from 3rd parties? Well. Not gonna say anything more about that.

Actually we're a licensed Partner.

Third Parties aren't allowed to use CB IP.

 Antenociti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
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Sooo...the only way to get decals is from 3rd parties? Well. Not gonna say anything more about that.

Actually we're a licensed Partner.

Third Parties aren't allowed to use CB IP.

Third Party:
1) someone not directly involved in a transaction. A third entity in the Seller (first party) and Customer (second party) relationship. A Seller may employ a third party to perform specific services to augment the value of a product. For example, a manufacturer may employ a third party to pack and distribute a product.

Licensed partner or not; you're a third party per the definition of a third party. I'm not buying Corvus Belli products from you, you're not selling me anything but things to "enhance" the value of a product.

At this point? I'll just scan the book and make my own transfers rather than shell out to you or any other company for something that should be included in a box.

Don't mind Kanluwen. He's the resident curmudgeon.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Don't mind Kanluwen. He's the resident curmudgeon.

Only when there's something that makes no sense at all.

I should add that the only thing that bugs me is the decals/transfers. I'm perfectly fine with the Dropships since they aren't necessary or really anything more than scenery--and that I hope the Kickstarter goes well.

I just won't be supporting it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Licensed partner or not; you're a third party per the definition of a third party.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=third+party

Legally - we're a partner. Not a third party.

I dont really care that much if you dont think that is correct, because legally it is, and that's all I am here to point out.

 Antenociti wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Licensed partner or not; you're a third party per the definition of a third party.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=third+party

Legally - we're a partner. Not a third party.

Sorry, did I ever question your legal status as a partner? Nope!

In any regards, the definition of a "Third Party" begs to differ.

I dont really care that much if you dont think that is correct, because legally it is, and that's all I am here to point out.

someone not directly involved in a transaction. A third entity in the Seller (first party) and Customer (second party) relationship. A Seller may employ a third party to perform specific services to augment the value of a product.

You're not "directly involved in a transaction" with Corvus Belli or the retailers selling Corvus Belli products. Your service is strictly to augment the value of a product.

Legally, you're a partner but that doesn't mean you cannot be a third party as well. Welcome to the magic of how legalese is not the same as actual definitions.

 Alpharius wrote:
Meanwhile, back ON TOPIC here...

(Because there is a nice dedicated sub-forum to discuss a lot of that other...stuff.)

I for one welcome our new decal overlords, and will happily apply them to every surface I can find, even some models if I can ever finish painting them.

I wasn't interested in the kickstarter at first. The jet looks cool and all, but not something I really need for my table. Now that I see there are decals involved? I'm very interested. They look great! Top marks for organizing the decals by sectoral, and including the numbers available in the army for the unit badges.

Well done! I'd been planning on printing some of my own decals... but this will save me a lot of time and effort, plus be a lot more detailed than I'd come up with.

[MOD EDIT - We're moving past that... Alpharius]

I like the looks of the dropship but will wait to see if a Haqq specific model gets released.

Antenocitis had several dropship model concepts. I think in another thread here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/661181.page ?

I wonder if CB will come up with some dropship oriented scenarios. They did create objective room oriented scenarios. And I mean dropship as terrain, not as a vehicle. Get the HVT to 'Da Choppa' for example.

Do we know if/when to expect a new box of celestial guard to go along with those in the new ISS starter?

The new ones really blow the old ones out of the water :-/
Wouldn't want to buy them only to see them replaced in a few months

Don't think this has been posted yet. Sniper shot from CB's Twitter account:



Consensus seems to be it's a Black Friar.

If you look at the Black Friar dossier, the backpack over the cloak and shoulder area matches this. Probably the best guess.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Do we know if/when to expect a new box of celestial guard to go along with those in the new ISS starter?

The new ones really blow the old ones out of the water :-/
Wouldn't want to buy them only to see them replaced in a few months

2-3 months following a starter set seems to be typical for SWC boxes. I would definitely hold out if you can.
By that logic the Zhanshi SWC box could also be out this year.

It's one of the few things CB seems to be pretty consistent with.
I'm guessing the Ghulam box might have been brought forward to fill a delayed slot, or the initial plan was to release a Haqq starter sooner than Red Veil and plans changed.

 -Loki- wrote:
If you look at the Black Friar dossier, the backpack over the cloak and shoulder area matches this. Probably the best guess.

Seems about right.

 Antenociti wrote:


Legally - we're a partner. Not a third party.

[MOD EDIT - AGAIN, we're moving past that... Alpharius]

Anyway any plans of making (light) tanks or similar for infinity?
like the one from clear horizon

No, because CB specifically don't want military vehicles. That's why there are no weapon options in the Azure Dragon Kickstarter.

 IJW wrote:
No, because CB specifically don't want military vehicles. That's why there are no weapon options in the Azure Dragon Kickstarter.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2097161002/azure-dragon-and-infinity-decals

I see guns..

Also.. LOL @ that price.. AW lost their minds..

Yes, but AW aren't allowed to sell it with the guns as per their agreement with CB.

 plastictrees wrote:
Yes, but AW aren't allowed to sell it with the guns as per their agreement with CB.

Ah.. I see that.. the first place I see it mentioned on the page is waaaaaay down in the design section. I don't play Infinity and the original design WITH guns was what I've waited for this whole time. Before anyone asks.. I am in this thread because I really like Infinity models.. just not the game.