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 Red Harvest wrote:
I read that Bostria will be at the NOVA Open tournaments over the Labor Day holiday (1-4 September), and will have surprises relating to the ITS2017.

That'll be 2 more presentations within the next 4 weeks. I doubt that we will see anything about October releases, but I suspect that we will see more renders.

Followed by Gutier at the UK Masters final on September 24th. There's a lot of seminars in the nearish future.

So CB posted a slightly scrambled, for lack of a better word, image on their facebook page. Following the URL in that image took you to a clean version:



The binary says Alive.

People on Facebook seem to think it's a resurrected Toni for some reason. I don't know why they think that. It could just as easily be a recaptured and newly human Ko Dali for all we know.

 Barzam wrote:
People on Facebook seem to think it's a resurrected Toni for some reason. I don't know why they think that. It could just as easily be a recaptured and newly human Ko Dali for all we know.

That's also the scuttle on the Infinity forums.

Aleph/A.I. Toni but we probably won't know until Interplanitario when they will most likely reveal the 3 silhouetted minis also.

One of which looks like Joe Turner for the 2017 ITS mini.

 Barzam wrote:
People on Facebook seem to think it's a resurrected Toni for some reason. I don't know why they think that. It could just as easily be a recaptured and newly human Ko Dali for all we know.

Partly because the blue and green of the original picture matches the colours of Aconticimento that Toni was from.

I can see how people are linking this to being someone who's died in the fluff as "alive" would kind of imply that.

Could just be something for a new Aleph model though and have nothing to do with the existing fluff.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I can see how people are linking this to being someone who's died in the fluff as "alive" would kind of imply that.

Except it would go against everything relating to Toni's death. She suffered a "true death"; an Umbra Samaritan spiked her brain and cube via her TAG Eduardo.
They even stated in a FAQ for Human Sphere N3 that "Yes, Toni is dead dead!".

Could just be something for a new Aleph model though and have nothing to do with the existing fluff.

It also could be dealing with the forthcoming Infinity comics.

It's for the Manga. Or, really wildly guessing, they are releasing a miniature of Sibylla/ALEPH itself as an ITS 2017 prize.

Toni is gone, the true death, and killed in such a banal and contrived fashion too. The Exrah Concordat had a better write-out. </shrug>

We'll know in 2 weeks, when the Interplanetario starts. Or BoW accidentally posts a video as public when it should have been private.

So, a couple of pages back there was a lot of talk about the Gecon reveals and the mention of a fantasy game as well as an Infinity dungeon crawler.

I've just watched the backstage weekend show from BoW (the paid for stuff so I can't link it), and Warren gave a little information, he does know the guys at Corvus Belli pretty well so its likely reliable.

They have been working on the fantasy game for over 2 years already, but have scrapped the rules several times and started again from scratch as they did not think it was good enough.

The dungeon crawler he was less sure about, but said it may not necessarily be 'Infinity' as such, it could be a different scale or separated from the existing game (and the RPG) in some other way.

I think he probably knows more than this but keeps it vague for CBs benefit. He seemed fairly confident that both games would be released eventually, its not an either/or situation.

I don't see them doing anything in a different scale. One of the issues with coming out with a new but related games would be producing models for it with an already overtaxed production team. Changing the scale would double the workload.

Although bearing in mind that they did used to produce (and were initially very well regarded for) a range of 15mm historicals..

Infinity deathmatch? Hero based? Yes please. I pretty much collect all the hero models because they are amazing, and then they sit on my shelves...

Gosh the minis are great!

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I don't see them doing anything in a different scale. One of the issues with coming out with a new but related games would be producing models for it with an already overtaxed production team. Changing the scale would double the workload.

One of the points of coming out with other games is less Infinity model each month as other line are released in their place, allowing CB to remain a player in the miniature market for a long time to come. Instead of slowly fading away or growing Infinity in to miss mashed crap of bloat.

Why do that when they struggle to release models for their existing game though?

A new game could well mean a new (or mostly new) production team,

theyd have much more flexibility in another genre/scale without having to match everything to existing lore, sculpts. look, theme etc

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A new game could well mean a new (or mostly new) production team,

theyd have much more flexibility in another genre/scale without having to match everything to existing lore, sculpts. look, theme etc

They refused to grow their company in the past because of Spanish tax codes and other business related stuff despite it being a sensible thing to do to pick up the tempo of Infinity releases; what makes you think that they would do that for a fantasy game?

I'm not claiming they would as I was unaware of it,

but then again a 'new' game would suit a second company owned by the same people and mean no business/tax code issues

(not really an option for infinity alone as the authorities would be able to connect the dots and see it was a fiddle)

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Why do that when they struggle to release models for their existing game though?

Because they understand what is needed for the long term health of their company, instead of dying. Infinity can only go so far, they need to lessen the infinity output especially the amout of models each month. Sure some will whine "I want my models" but most will understand the need to expand their protfolio so CB doesn't go the way of the Dodo, like many other companiea and Infinity remains a supported game. I mean it not like unsupported games lose player and have a had time getting new player, right.

And they do not struggle to release models, it is a choose to only produce at the rate they do.

Noir wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Why do that when they struggle to release models for their existing game though?

Because they understand what is needed for the long term health of their company, instead of dying. Infinity can only go so far, they need to lessen the infinity output especially the amout of models each month. Sure some will whine "I want my models" but most will understand the need to expand their protfolio so CB doesn't go the way of the Dodo, like many other companiea and Infinity remains a supported game. I mean it not like unsupported games lose player and have a had time getting new player, right.

What does "the long term health of their company" have to do with the fact that they cannot keep up a steady release pace?

And they do not struggle to release models, it is a choose to only produce at the rate they do.

Actually, they do struggle to release models. July's releases were 3 items, two event exclusives and the Red Veil preorders.

What normally is a 5 to 6 item release was a 3 item release; with 2 of those items being convention exclusives(Unknown Ranger and Musashi) and preorders for items that won't even be out until September(Red Veil).



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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm not claiming they would as I was unaware of it,

but then again a 'new' game would suit a second company owned by the same people and mean no business/tax code issues

(not really an option for infinity alone as the authorities would be able to connect the dots and see it was a fiddle)

Quite frankly, if they did that even to start a second game it would likely have the authorities connecting the dots as well.

 455_PWR wrote:
Infinity deathmatch? Hero based? Yes please. I pretty much collect all the hero models because they are amazing, and then they sit on my shelves...

Gosh the minis are great!

There are already rules for this online. Beasts of War made some for a tag arena that then Customeeple expanded upon for regular units. You can still find the rules for the TAG arena on BoW site. CustoMeeple even sold sets with tokens and spawn points for about 2 weeks before they disappeared off their site (I assume CB told them to pull it so they could make a commercial version) I've got it and it's a very good multiplayer unreal tourney type of game on an infinity board.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah we get it Kan. CB have not released the models you want, the must be struggling. They focus on producing models so the don't have a f'up like last time they must be struggling. They change scale it just targeted at you because it a faction you play. Just make a "Whining about CB" thread in the subforum. That way you can focus on the one thing your good for here, mining the internet for pretty pic for us. They do what it best for the long term health of their company, not really surprised you don't get this as you only seem to see CB in the light of "I want now".

It's fine to argue about points. Attacking another forum user, however, is against Rule Number One. Thanks!

I would call Red Veil at least 2 items, since it does contain 2 starter boxes. Heck, with the LE mini and 2 box only minis, I'd consider it 3 items. July releases total 18 minis. Not bad at all.

Eventually, CB will fill out all the Infinity profiles with minis. CB will also finish the game, when it releases the next book. (The remaining sectorials, the spec op and campaign rules and what else?) Then what? Re-sculpt everything again?

Relying on one game, as CB is currently doing, is dangerous. Sales will level off. They can go the splat book route (please no) or develop other games.

 Red Harvest wrote:
I would call Red Veil at least 2 items, since it does contain 2 starter boxes. Heck, with the LE mini and 2 box only minis, I'd consider it 3 items. July releases total 18 minis. Not bad at all.

Red Veil is one item. The starter boxes will not be sold individually until probably December/January.

Sure, you can make the argument that it's multiple items but it is one SKU not individual bundles.

Eventually, CB will fill out all the Infinity profiles with minis. CB will also finish the game, when it releases the next book. (The remaining sectorials, the spec op and campaign rules and what else?) Then what? Re-sculpt everything again?

You do know that the next book was intended to be the end of a "trilogy", yeah? It was not going to be "finish the game" but the end of a trilogy, which Human Sphere started and Acheron Falls was to bookend.

Relying on one game, as CB is currently doing, is dangerous. Sales will level off. They can go the splat book route (please no) or develop other games.

Or they can do what they've talked about, which is to visit "historical" things like the Commercial Conflicts on Ariadna or the Neo-Colonial wars, etc.

There's plenty of events that can be fleshed out without them needing to go too crazy.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What does "the long term health of their company" have to do with the fact that they cannot keep up a steady release pace?

...ok, this I don't understand. What do you mean by "they cannot keep up a steady release pace"? Which other miniatures company not named GW (which is, like, two orders of magnitude bigger as a company) releases so many new SKUs every month?

And what would you think about X-Wing's or SW:Armada's release pace, then? I'm seriously surprised to hear that, because what I usually hear from people is exactly the opposite: that they cannot keep up with the Infinity releases.

I'm curious, with this lady coming later this year, does that mean that other bootlegs will also be turned into regular minis?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What does "the long term health of their company" have to do with the fact that they cannot keep up a steady release pace?

...ok, this I don't understand. What do you mean by "they cannot keep up a steady release pace"? Which other miniatures company not named GW (which is, like, two orders of magnitude bigger as a company) releases so many new SKUs every month?

And what would you think about X-Wing's or SW:Armada's release pace, then? I'm seriously surprised to hear that, because what I usually hear from people is exactly the opposite: that they cannot keep up with the Infinity releases.

I think the difference between X-wing and Infinity is that people know in advance what "should" be released. You know there is X Ghulam profiles and Y Bolt Profiles and some people are unhappy when their favourite profile isn't released or hasn't been released for a long time.
with X-wing it is a 6 month period of guessing what will be released followed by a 4 week period of going ape-poop over the announced ships and their interactions with the meta.

That said, Infinity churns out a whole bunch more miniature than I would expect in a year, and their release schedule is pretty stready, they have a their regular 5(?) releases as month with usually 1 or 2 as boxes, as well as a couple of big ticket items like TAGs, bikes (yes Kan, we know you don't like bikes, not everything is about your likes) and army packs every now and then.




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 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious, with this lady coming later this year, does that mean that other bootlegs will also be turned into regular minis?

With luck!

The Pilots are meant to be a changed up item so seeing the JSA tag pilot as the first we might see releases for the others.
Assuming it is correct that the ITS exclusive is Joe Scarface I would expect to see a general release of him as well as some of the others.
The Lizard and Maggie pilots are small enough to probably pass as they are, though I wouldn't be surprised to see less cheese-cakey resculpts.
The tech-bee is unlikely, unless they get a proper unit profile.


My hardest choice is to decide if I go for the ITS exclusive, the general release or just stuck with my converted Joe that I pried out of the bootleg with a far amount of cutting and grinding.

 Vain wrote:
I think the difference between X-wing and Infinity is that people know in advance what "should" be released. You know there is X Ghulam profiles and Y Bolt Profiles and some people are unhappy when their favourite profile isn't released or hasn't been released for a long time.

If we had profiles for Bolts before their release ("will be better in N3") the majority wouldn't mind seeing them pushed back, indefinitely.

 Vain wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'm curious, with this lady coming later this year, does that mean that other bootlegs will also be turned into regular minis?

With luck!

The Pilots are meant to be a changed up item so seeing the JSA tag pilot as the first we might see releases for the others.
Assuming it is correct that the ITS exclusive is Joe Scarface I would expect to see a general release of him as well as some of the others.
The Lizard and Maggie pilots are small enough to probably pass as they are, though I wouldn't be surprised to see less cheese-cakey resculpts.
The tech-bee is unlikely, unless they get a proper unit profile.

I'd love to see variants of both the Lizard and Maghariba pilots, but you're right, they're small blister items. I have both Bootlegs in my own army as tank commanders (Heresy, I know) and the cheesecake of the Lizard pilot is easily fixed with some creative painting, turning all that bare skin into a form-fitting environment suit of sorts. I plan on doing the same with the upcoming JSA pilot.

Not heresy at all. Bootlegs were intended to appeal to a wider audience. ( painters/collectors mostly)

More likely the O-Yoroi pilot will be a bootleg release. However, CB did release the civilian minis (variants from the RPG minis) as regular releases. I doubt that they will re-classify the bootlegs. We'll see soon enough. The rumor is that all the renders shown at GenCon will be released this year.

The July releases totalled 18 miniatures. Does it matter if they were bundled as 3 releases? It is a large number of minis. They usually release 5-10 in a month. I'm surprised that they have five releases (total of 9 minis) for August. I was expecting a reducd amount because of all the other things going on-- Red Veil, GenCon, and Interplanetario .

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