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 Fayric wrote:
Im sure I can assemble and paint these guys to make a reallly nice unit.
GW deliberatley do a crap job att their models so pepole wont be discouraged when their own models look flat.

A good paint job is a good paint job, a rubbish model is a rubbish model. The former can mitigate the latter, but it can't change it.

I will reserve my final judgment for when I actually see them and anyone with a memory should do the same? How many times we have only seen the worst in blurry preview pictures to change our minds when we actually see things IRL?
GW seems particularly good at failing with official pictures so any blurry preview of those is merely a caricature of what is actually in the kit.

I don't do Space marines I find them horrible etc proportion wise but its hilarious when people trash these models as some kind heresy towards flawless and accurate past incarnations of spacepuppies or marines, guess what SM always been the worst of the worst in that department. You may say you love the cute style and thats ok I get that, but do not come here and say they were kind of anatomically accurate and not toyish. Hell thats not GW forte and never has been, so get over it

The AOS comparison is also funny, because obviously all models under AoS are offensive pieces of cr@p that need to burned.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I will reserve my final judgment for when I actually see them and anyone with a memory should do the same? How many times we have only seen the worst in blurry preview pictures to change our minds when we actually see things IRL?

Almost never?

I'm struggling to think of times when I've seen a blurry pic, hated it, and then magically liked it when better pics came along. Like, really, it almost never happens.

There might have been a few times when I liked a model and then liked it more, or hated a model and then hated it more. Rarely, if ever, have I swung from dislike to like.

I think the wolf's head flyer I disliked and then I swung to "acceptance", but that was less about blurry pics and more just looking at it frequently enough to accept it. I still don't "like" it though.

I guess they all have wolfy legs because they will have some form of fast movement rule like Skitarrii. The one on the right seems to have a gun on his backpack.

The axeman looks quite good so far, the crane is stupid.

I was never a fan of wulfen and didn't buy them in 3rd, but I think I'll get a box of those if only to use the backpacks for character conversions

I would have preferred something to improve the generic Great Companies but maybe there will be at least some usable formations.

The models probably don't have many assembly variants, but that's always the case when the poses are more fancy than the basic squating marine stance.

I think a good example for you would be compare GW past Golden deamon coverage against the artists personal pictures on same jobs... it goes from mediocre paintjobs and composition at GW to a work of art in artists galleries.
Same applies to any sculpt and paintjob really, you see its a 3d piece after all, not a 2d image ( to be honest the 3d rotation tool at gw does give an accurate look at the mini).

I lost count of how many times miniatures were a clear pass for me until I actually hold them IRL... thats the beauty of having things in your hands so you can see the actually scale of it with no zooms or invisible flaws.
I remember looking at savage orcs previews and thinking these muscles are so square its plain horrible, again just bad paintjob and now I have loads of them, this has happened consistently so many times in all these years with GW its not even funny.

GW just does not seem to have the skills to preview things like the likes of corvus belli and others.

I think I got misunderstood by C6 then Talys; I LOVE the BoC models. They're great. They looked great from the get go. Even with blurry pics, they were never in the same league as the garbage that these Wulfen seem to be.
BoC=awesome.
Wulfen=dog gak.

Talys will still probably buy 4 boxes to ally in with his BAs though, because they're marines!

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think a good example for you would be compare GW past Golden deamon coverage against the artists personal pictures on same jobs... it goes from mediocre paintjobs and composition at GW to a work of art in artists galleries.
Same applies to any sculpt and paintjob really, you see its a 3d piece after all, not a 2d image ( to be honest the 3d rotation tool at gw does give an accurate look at the mini).

I lost count of how many times miniatures were a clear pass for me until I actually hold them IRL... thats the beauty of having things in your hands so you can see the actually scale of it with no zooms or invisible flaws.
I remember looking at savage orcs previews and thinking these muscles are so square its plain horrible, again just bad paintjob and now I have loads of them, this has happened consistently so many times in all these years with GW its not even funny.

GW just does not seem to have the skills to preview things like the likes of corvus belli and others.

I understand what you mean.... but for me personally, no, models don't magically go from looking like gak in preview pictures to good in real life.

After a while you learn to pick up on the pitfalls of photography and poor painting and see when you do or don't like a model from a picture.

I'm not saying there aren't times when something might look like gak in a photo and look decent in real life.... those moments (for me at least) are few and far between. More often than not if I can see the models well enough in the first blurry pics of them then I'm not going to suddenly change my mind down the track.

@Navarro: to be fair, even CB's minis are way better in hand than they are in pics, because the magic is in seeing the reality of the small scale of everything in hand...
the advantage that CB has, is that they let Angel do really amazing paint jobs for the basic catalogue...
the paint jobs that the 'Eavy Metal guys do on their own time really make the GW minis shine...

i do agree with you that the GW sprues are way more impressive in hand...
the Stormsurge and Archaon are two of the most recent kits that didn't sell me until i had them in hand...

i also agree that this generation of sculpts are much better than each previous generation...
i look at my Rogue Trader Marines from back in the day, and i thank all the gods that i have this new generation of Marine sculpts to work on...

that said, i am not a fan of the overall look of these guys, but then i was never 100% happy with the original set of Wulfen, and i'm a huge Space Pup fan...
i do like some aspects of each of these sculpts shown, and plastic is easy to chop up, so it looks like i can finally build my dream squad of Wulfen...
they will not have furry legs...

i look forward to the rest of this release...
then Forge World's HH Wolves...
it's a good year for the Pups!!!

cheers
jah

Apparently they've been afflicted with a horrible debilitating mutation giving them legs designed for quadrupeds. No doubt they'll all be Slow & Purposeful as a result, right?

The Wulfen were bad enough when they were "Teen Wolf", but now they're wolf-Possessed.

They've finally done it. Space Wolves have finally crossed the line. We've seen them get increasingly wolf-obsessed (to the point of absurdity) over the years, and now they have just become wolves. Nearly there, anyway.

@AllSeeingSkink Your in a better situation than me because when I go and check these minis in store I fall in love all over again and give in to temptation

@jah I know mate every time I look at my Infinity minis I cannot believe how intricate the detail is on THAT scale. ( BTW they have some great scifi wolfen minis)

I dont think the heavy metal guys are short on talent, I do think GW official PJ's are simplistic for obvious reasons and if you take overexposed pics of that then... well most models look pants.

Do you guys remember Rackham? Now those were some kickass Painjobs and pictures

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Apparently they've been afflicted with a horrible debilitating mutation giving them legs designed for quadrupeds. No doubt they'll all be Slow & Purposeful as a result, right?

Nope, Wulfen will get unit type 'Beasts', and Possessed will instead get a random chart to roll on in both the Movement + Assault phases and become S&P.

The old wulfen models were nothing special and the new ones have kept that trend. Looks like another missed opportunity to create something exciting.

Luckily they will probably be so expensive I don't have to worry about even debating buying them, although likely several un-named Dakka members will soon have to tell us exactly how many boxes they will be buying of them.

I think the models are incredibly goofy, but then again I always thought wolfen were goofy. I love the sagas and viking theme of the wolfs, not the trailer trash beards, scrillex hair and dog teeth for strange reasons. Did the Emperor ham a dog to create Russ for feths sake? No reason for werewolf marines. So you kind of get what you get when the premise is wolfman in space. That said, those paint jobs are AWFUL, even for the goofy model concept and design. I mean wolf fur mixed with powder blue (GW calls it grey lol, no it's blue) with mustard yellow and ketchup red side by side as accents? It's like a color blind intern picked their scheme I bet they will look a bit better with darker grimmy tones and shades with dark skin and hair. Seriously, why are GW so obscessed with ginger wolves?

Oh, my, these dudes are quite terrible.

I still can't get over the beauty of this forum predicting Son of Muderfang

AND we got Beast-man from He-Man doing Shakespeare in the park

lately the comments are more sad than the blurry image

 aracersss wrote:
lately the comments are more sad than the blurry image

Yes, because how very dare someone criticise the mighty GW...

 Grimtuff wrote:

Yes, because how very dare someone criticise the mighty GW...

yeah ... how dare someone criticize someone's thoughtful rant

 aracersss wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Yes, because how very dare someone criticise the mighty GW...

yeah ... how dare someone criticize someone's thoughtful rant

People are entitled to their opinions without you coming along and criticizing them. Does it bother you when other people don't like what you do? Because it's always struck me as strange when people start criticizing others opinions like it is going to change them somehow. If you like them, I am happy for you, others don't and are entitled to discussion as to why without you jumping down their throat at every turn. Feel free to share why you like them instead.

but is there anything salvageable out of a constant desire to downgrade something, unless of course you agree with such low?
I prefer to reserve final judgment when clearer leaks pop up later next week ...

 aracersss wrote:
but is there anything salvageable out of a constant desire to downgrade something, unless of course you agree with such low?
I prefer to reserve final judgment when clearer leaks pop up later next week ...

And clearly others do not, some of whom have stated that they tend to find the clearer pictures confirm or accentuate their initial impression rather than change it. What's wrong with that?

 aracersss wrote:
but is there anything salvageable out of a constant desire to downgrade something, unless of course you agree with such low?
I prefer to reserve final judgment when clearer leaks pop up later next week ...

Personally I prefer to wait until;
a) I see the actual sprues
b) I then see the how the models look when built by a decent hobbyist in place of GW's builder monkeys "let's make these as stupid looking as possible!" poses.
c) I then see how properly built versions look with a suitable paint scheme instead of GW's clowntastic "paint factory explosion!" cartoon schemes.

But that's just me. I get however that it's apparently proper to drink the Kool-Aid and declare every release to be "lolz! Worst Evah!GWsux!lolzlolz!"

Because they aren't necessarily clear pictures. We can hate Karate Kid all we want though, but maybe wait for everything else.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

And clearly others do not, some of whom have stated that they tend to find the clearer pictures confirm or accentuate their initial impression rather than change it. What's wrong with that?

Isn't that the beauty of first impressions; not all of them end up corroborating the jokey conclusion

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Good god those wulfen are everything I hate about space wolves rolled into one unit AND they look terrible to boot.

I'm almost impressed gw.

I actually really like the wulfen. They are just 100% perfect for my Chaos Space Wolves. It is as if GW knew I had just decided to turn my SW over to Chaos. I was just in search for some mutant freaks.

 Accolade wrote:
Space Wolves (as well as every other themed SM faction) seem to be suffering increasing levels of Flanderization over the last two codexes.

These guys look like they belong in AOS.

Never heard of that term before but having read about it I totally agree. From the looks of this release, and with the last wave of models (Murderfang comes to mind), the SWs haven't been done any favours recently

IMHO the usual leak-image quality problem. The actual WD or website images hopefully look much better, but this happens, like, every release these days. THIS one especially is a shame because it's so exciting the Wulfen are coming back and it's a bit of disservice to lead with blurry images (but that's just the way it goes).

Or...they could indeed actually suck or be too campy, and that would be most unfortunate. I'm sure these models will at the very least offer some inspiration for killer conversions. You could make a diorama of a hair metal band out of these at the very least

Hm, as a long time SW fan I really don't know what to say. I have mixed feelings about these current iterations of the models.

It feels like I am looking at AoS Chaos units.



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 Accolade wrote:
Space Wolves (as well as every other themed SM faction) seem to be suffering increasing levels of Flanderization over the last two codexes.

These guys look like they belong in AOS.

That sums it up really well, thank you.