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 Red Corsair wrote:
I'll be happy if all they do is fix the dreads and the WS BS of claw units. Makes no sense now that space marine initiates are WS/BS4.

I could see Claw units being Ws4 Bs3 to show the emphasis on controlling Canis Helix in the early stages that Blood Claws have to deal with compared to other Marine chapters.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Mitch311 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

You can just take 2 of the legendary greatpacks, you don't need to take "the greatpack".

I wonder what the bonus for a standard greatpack is. Or has that come up in the thread already?

It came up. It's exactly the same as wolve's unleashed. Jarl of Russ and Cunning of the Wolf.

Rasko wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Mitch311 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

You can just take 2 of the legendary greatpacks, you don't need to take "the greatpack".

I wonder what the bonus for a standard greatpack is. Or has that come up in the thread already?

It came up. It's exactly the same as wolve's unleashed. Jarl of Russ and Cunning of the Wolf.

Well that is fail. Might as well just take the stupid WU then.

Please, I saw some of the Daemon Rules on Faeit212, but I have to ask, is The Grimoire still in the book? All of the Relics look Khorne related, and that'd be lame.

 meep277 wrote:
Please, I saw some of the Daemon Rules on Faeit212, but I have to ask, is The Grimoire still in the book? All of the Relics look Khorne related, and that'd be lame.

It's almost like there is a thread for all of the Daemon stuff. Right below this one.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 meep277 wrote:
Please, I saw some of the Daemon Rules on Faeit212, but I have to ask, is The Grimoire still in the book? All of the Relics look Khorne related, and that'd be lame.

It's almost like there is a thread for all of the Daemon stuff. Right below this one.

Terribly sorry, went from Faeit212 to here

Iuchiban was posting in here, so this kind of is the place to ask.

meep277, there is no word about Grimoire yet. There's a Tzeentch relic called Unending Grimoire that gives the user access to the full powers of the Change table, but that's a different name from the Grimoire of True Names, so that would not replace it. It's not clear if it's still in, but my gut says... probably.

Slaanesh powers and relics please and thank you!

Oh, I was just thinking. With the new Runepriest Conclave living storm spell.

We can put a Helm of Durfast on a RP for minimum 3d6 S7, ignore cover/jink and re-rolling to hit. Bike squads and skimmer would go down real fast, sicaran-style. Haha.

From SpikeyBits



https://www.spikeybits.com/2016/02/breaking-belakor-space-wolves-rules-revealed.html

I have a sinking feeling that the SW Dreads did not get bumped to A4. From the looks of it (though this is not a guarantee), they can't be taken in a unit, so their stats probably remain unchanged. Much sadness.

Funny, Murderfang is now a one-dread-formation. What rules might he get?

The Necron decurion had some 1 unit formations that gave nothing.

So most likely, the Lord of the Fang, Fangs of the Tempest, and the Curseborn formation will be absolutely nothing. But we can dream right?

Rasko wrote:
The Necron decurion had some 1 unit formations that gave nothing.

So most likely, the Lord of the Fang, Fangs of the Tempest, and the Curseborn formation will be absolutely nothing. But we can dream right?

No, they don't have a page number for the formation. They are cheap buy in auxiliaries and command. Though they are pretty good. You want a flier with the pack? Just get one and qualify for the auxiliary choice. I surely would want 2 blackmane packs with murderfang, though don't have the money to buy that many drop pods.

So the new things have been released... 10 Wolf Guard/Blood Claws/Grey Hunters for the original price, 20 Blood Claws for a bit more and 5 Wolf Guard for a bit less? Meh

 Matthew wrote:
So the new things have been released... 10 Wolf Guard/Blood Claws/Grey Hunters for the original price, 20 Blood Claws for a bit more and 5 Wolf Guard for a bit less? Meh

It's 15 Blood Claws, not 20. The Long Fangs have also been released again, not sure what (if anything) has changed on them.

I don't know why they bothered reboxing the same sprue as 1 sprue (WG) 2 sprues (GH) or 3 sprues (BC). The BC one is the best value.

I was just about to ask about the box splits, do you reckon they will have mashed the sprues up? Wolf guard one will have all the power weapons but surely the Blood Claw box is better value as it would give you three sets of wolf guard for the price of 2. But do you think they will have taken most of the power weapons out of the Blood claw box so you couldnt make 3 lots of guard?

Are there definitely supposed to be formations for each chaos god? Thinking about getting some tzeentch to start the army.

 Matthew wrote:
So the new things have been released... 10 Wolf Guard/Blood Claws/Grey Hunters for the original price, 20 Blood Claws for a bit more and 5 Wolf Guard for a bit less? Meh

Hmmm, if they are boxed this way, perhaps I will pick up two of the Blood Claws sets to supplement my current pack of Grey Hunters. Would bring me up to four packs of 10 Grey Hunters. Especially if it ends up cheaper in the end.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
So the new things have been released... 10 Wolf Guard/Blood Claws/Grey Hunters for the original price, 20 Blood Claws for a bit more and 5 Wolf Guard for a bit less? Meh

It's 15 Blood Claws, not 20. The Long Fangs have also been released again, not sure what (if anything) has changed on them.

I don't know why they bothered reboxing the same sprue as 1 sprue (WG) 2 sprues (GH) or 3 sprues (BC). The BC one is the best value.

Yeah, why would anyone not buy that box?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

Yeah, no kidding. ALL of them showing up on T1 is just crazy awesome. It would have been crazy awesome even without the pods being free.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I was just about to ask about the box splits, do you reckon they will have mashed the sprues up? Wolf guard one will have all the power weapons but surely the Blood Claw box is better value as it would give you three sets of wolf guard for the price of 2. But do you think they will have taken most of the power weapons out of the Blood claw box so you couldnt make 3 lots of guard?

They can't break up the sprues like that. It's 2 smaller sprues that's manufactured as one large sprue then broken in to 2 sprues for boxing. One of the sprues has all the legs, torsos, heads and shoulder pads. The other sprue has all the arms and weapons, bolters, bolt pistols, chainswords, shield, power weapons.

So they can't just break off the power weapons to include in the WG set and take them out of the BC set, not unless they actually trim individual parts from the sprues (which they aren't going to do).

It makes no sense why they'd waste shelf space for 3 kits when they all contain the exact same sprues.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I was just about to ask about the box splits, do you reckon they will have mashed the sprues up? Wolf guard one will have all the power weapons but surely the Blood Claw box is better value as it would give you three sets of wolf guard for the price of 2. But do you think they will have taken most of the power weapons out of the Blood claw box so you couldnt make 3 lots of guard?

They can't break up the sprues like that. It's 2 smaller sprues that's manufactured as one large sprue then broken in to 2 sprues for boxing. One of the sprues has all the legs, torsos, heads and shoulder pads. The other sprue has all the arms and weapons, bolters, bolt pistols, chainswords, shield, power weapons.

So they can't just break off the power weapons to include in the WG set and take them out of the BC set, not unless they actually trim individual parts from the sprues (which they aren't going to do).

It makes no sense why they'd waste shelf space for 3 kits when they all contain the exact same sprues.

Good to know thanks. I guess its GW just being GW then.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

Hopefully this will be a shot in the arm for drop pod wolves and give some viability to Grey Hunters.

As for the claw units I would honestly rather them stay WS3/BS3 if it means not getting a points increase. Bloodclaws and Skyclaws are amazing for being cheap assault marines with their 4 attacks on the charge. No way Bloodclaws can stay at scout prices, get WS4, and keep power armor + their rage special rule while Skyclaws make assault marines look like a joke. Wolf scouts need to either get some special gear/rules to justify their cost or get a points decrease to bring them in line with the new scout stats.

Something I put in a thread about how people think SW is stealing BA's shtick. Well I am stealing it back!

The more I see of the Curse of the Wulfen book, the more I think I could run Death Company as Counts-As Wulfen. Call Curse of the Wulfen the Black Rage. Call my Death Company Dreadnought "Murderfang". Man, I think this might actually work! There is even a formation that lets you run a bunch of Wulfen by themselves and another that let's you run Murderfang on his own. Then just run a CAD with Grey Hunters (read: BA Tactical Marines) and a Wolf Priest (read: Sanguinary Priest), and some Skyclaws (read: Assault Marines). YES! I found a way to bring BA back up! I could even make some SM Bikes and call them Thunderwolf Cavalry!

A nice picture of Ulrik from the iTunes preview

iOS previews. Ws3/bs3 bloodclaws

Chikout wrote:
A nice picture of Ulrik from the iTunes preview

I love this model! I think it is a fantastic pose for him. You can almost imagine him stood watching the flow of battle, waiting to see an enemy who may be able to defeat him in battle before smiling, putting his helmet on and charging forward to do battle.

IMO it respects everything that he is, old, venerated and hard as nails.

Wulfen look a lot nicer in this photo. Seem to be same size roughly as normal marines, but with taller legs?

Mitch311 wrote:
Wulfen look a lot nicer in this photo. Seem to be same size roughly as normal marines, but with taller legs?

Notice that GW either didn't use Daniel-san, Son of Murderfang in that image, or there are much better ways to pose him. There are a few objectionable poses there, but otherwise most of them actually look good.

Half the Wulfen look like they are staggering drunks. With it being Space Wolves I'm ok with this, just need to green stuff in some bottles.