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Atroxus wrote:
Am I correct in this but... PotMS on the vindicators, move them up 12", snap fire the storm bolters as a squadron at a primary target... The PotMS each of the vindicator cannons at 3 seperate targets? Is that doable or am I misunderstanding because... That's HUGE!?

I don't see why not. And, they can have preferred enemy, and you can use the LR as a transport for one of the required BC units, or some wulfen if it comes to that. Certainly sounds like a party to me.

Iuchiban wrote:
OK guys,

Enough for today. Have to go to bed as I work tomorrow,

Later in the afternoon I'll be back and we can continue ... Stay tunned!!

Thanks for your hard work! Looking foward to Nurgle!

It definitely seems like the best 'big vehicle group' formations out of the codex SM/DA ones like it. I'm quite impressed!

 juraigamer wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
It is the best of the 40K forums, or at least the least toxic of them.

Got a laugh out of me, it's called whineseer for a reason

You are on the best 40k forum right now

True right now, but when Warseer comes back up, Dakka is back to #2. :p

The Iron Priest is epic. Too much wolf bling to easily convert it to vanilla though. And Ulric being is a calm, regal pose is another stunning model. Far better than the other Wolf models recently.

Now for Orks and Dark Eldar to get campaign books with decurion/meta-formations.

Iuchiban wrote:
OK guys,

Enough for today. Have to go to bed as I work tomorrow,

Later in the afternoon I'll be back and we can continue ... Stay tunned!!

https://youtu.be/gXTlyLR1wgQ

Thanx for info luchiban

Iuchiban wrote:

Wulfen murderpack:
2-5 units of Wulfen
Add +1 to the curse of the wulfen roll for every unit on the battlefield.
There is a 7+ result.
- Hunt: Affected units can move twice this turn. (THAT ONE IS GOOD)
- Kill: Affected units get +1A

The Wulfen units that get an additional attack for every 6 to hit in combat

Wait, if this is how it's worded. The +1 curse roll is cumulative. +2 sounds pretty good.

Iuchiban wrote:
Primaris: Same a codex Daemons

You mean like word for word the same? Because that power literally makes no sense in 7th edition.

Do the new Chaos Deity Artefacts mean that the current ones in the Chaos Daemon codex are forfeit? I'm curious if I can still pick the grimoire of true names.

I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

BC cost 12pts for a reason no excuse to bump their stats beyond that

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

Iono, if they upgrade the claw units to WS4/BS4, there would be little point in GH...

I just want to know if the dreadnought formation is any good and if the dreadnoughts got updated to 4A.

 aracersss wrote:
BC cost 12pts for a reason no excuse to bump their stats beyond that

SM Scouts are 11 pts, come with better weapon skill and ballistics skill. 1 pt for better armor but worse WS/BS is a pretty awful trade-off. I don't know how they could make Blood Claws better while keeping Grey Hunters relevant though.

Jesus... AUD$100 for 5 Wulfen?

LOL GW. Just LOL.

Don't know if linking is against the rules but..
https://www.spikeybits.com/2016/02/breaking-belakor-space-wolves-rules-revealed.html

The dreadnought formation rules can be found there. They have to foot-slog because they are a vehicle squadron. Pretty mediocre.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

Presently I can do this
2x10 Grey Hunters in a Pod
1x5 LF in a Pod

Turn 1 Drop all 20 GH in their pods, set the LF up on the board to shoot, their drop pod rolls for reserves next turn. The three pods cost 105 pts - notice no Wolf Scouts

Or

I can do- 4x5 Grey Hunters in Drop Pods and Long Fangs in a Drop Pod. Yes, I get extra pods for free, but the same number of marines drop down, even the same number of special weapons drop down (melta or plasmaguns), the LF are still going to setup on the board and fire normally.

So are 2 Free Pods going to turn SW into a broken codex? Really? I'm not whining, Im being realistic. Look at the requirements of what you need to take, all the min sized squads which just waters down the force. You could realistically take the best elements of the formation and put them all on the board turn 1 right now in one manner or another, yet people don't choose to because they don't have the staying power. Tournament players use thunderwolf cav in abundance right now because if their resiliency and speed, taking only 1 unit of thunderwolves just makes it easier to destroy them, just like taking small squads of marines which are easy to shoot and destroy. Drop Pods dont shoot. So, if you arent making the units more durable and you aren't making the units more shooty, my question still remains, how do you deal with Tau, Eldar, SM, Necron etc- you still get shot off the board. Space Marines really didnt get tougher in the newest codex, but they get what 600 pts of almost free vehicles which can shoot (Razorbacks) and add so many more scoring units on the table, even shooting armies will struggle to kill them all- not to mention they have Centurions with grav which is one of the best guns in the game where you point them at a unit and eliminate it. I am not thinking on a basement game level, because if that is the case, CSM, Dark Eldar, IG- they are all fine, competition is meaningless, and if this supplement makes those games better- great, Im all for it, but I would just disagree that anything we have seen thus far compares to any of the new codexes- Eldar, Tau, SM, DA, Necron. Unlike those, I think this was created just to run games between Chaos and SWs- and maybe those games would be pretty good, but it isnt going to make games closer between the other codexes I listed.

MajorWesJanson- if you think thats the case of Warseer, scroll through this thread and read Experiment626 posts- it might mean a changing of the guard.

Wow, they look even worse on the GW website.

Why is the leader leaning backwards? And his arms look like a CAD copy/paste job. Scratch that, the whole thing looks like a copy past job then the legs reposed. The thighs have mirrors iconography, all the little wires and do-dads going into his legs are the same.

The others are.. not better..

And holy crap that price tag.

I think the leader is supposed to look like he is jumping and landing. But instead of him jumping like a wolf would, with his hands landing in front, he is jumping like a frickin' ballerina (both of my daughters are in ballet, I had them demonstrate to be sure). It looks like his legs can be posed, so perhaps the end product will look better when not posed like crap.

His arms are one and a half times bigger than his legs

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

I love the fact that an entire release is being judged on what sort of free crap the army gets over what is actually in the army. That is the saddest part about this whole thing. Its like people wont be happy until they get an army that gets to choose any five USRs for their entire army regardless of what is in it as long as they take unit x, y, z.

Bah, too many people asking for demon rules in a space wolf thread lol. I wanted to know if space wolf dreads got 4 base attacks now like they should. That would make axe and shield dreads pretty fething amazing in that formation. Imagine 5 dreads with 3++ IWND and counter attack having 25 ws5 attacks at s10 ap2 first round of hth. Delicious refrigerator spam!


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 Jayden63 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I love that people were bitching about no free transports. But the Blackmanes get them with half the needed models and all of them come in T1. That is going to be absolutely brutal. The supreme Drop Pod army has arrived.

I wonder if there has been any updates to the Claw units to WS4/BS4.

Please let Blood Angels get an update of this caliber, GW!

I love the fact that an entire release is being judged on what sort of free crap the army gets over what is actually in the army. That is the saddest part about this whole thing. Its like people wont be happy until they get an army that gets to choose any five USRs for their entire army regardless of what is in it as long as they take unit x, y, z.

It's nothing new, 40k has become an arms race level 10. If all your buds are rocking an extra 3-400 pts its hard to blame people for wanting that as well to bridge that gap. Blame GW's poor rules implementation.

Anyone saying the new SW decurion is bad is obviously oblivious to some of the combos it allows that have already been spoiled.

It's not Necrons, but it's definetly not bad.

What do you guys think of the runepriest conclave? Njal + RP (ML2) gives 3d6 at BS 5. Decent at stripping HP off transports and softening up crappy infranty I guess.

But 3 separate living lightnings gaurentee 9 shots for the same WC so iono. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The idea behind it is super cool although the librarius conclave is probably better.

 Runic wrote:
Anyone saying the new SW decurion is bad is obviously oblivious to some of the combos it allows that have already been spoiled.

It's not Necrons, but it's definetly not bad.

It's fluffy but the benefits are hardly worth losing obsec. Especially when you consider you can take any of those formations and add them to a CAD anyway. Counter assault and fear/fc is not worth the mandatory units without obsec.

I'll be happy if all they do is fix the dreads and the WS BS of claw units. Makes no sense now that space marine initiates are WS/BS4.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Runic wrote:
Anyone saying the new SW decurion is bad is obviously oblivious to some of the combos it allows that have already been spoiled.

It's not Necrons, but it's definetly not bad.

It's fluffy but the benefits are hardly worth losing obsec. Especially when you consider you can take any of those formations and add them to a CAD anyway. Counter assault and fear/fc is not worth the mandatory units without obsec.

I'll be happy if all they do is fix the dreads and the WS BS of claw units. Makes no sense now that space marine initiates are WS/BS4.

Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

Man those tzeentch relics are crazy btw. The paradox basically auto casts WC1 powers on 1 die and WC2 on 3 dice, wc3 on 5 etc etc... Then they get an auto grimoired character with that 3++ (remember tzeentch rerolls 1's). I even think their new grimoir is gross, most tzeentch powers blow but automatically getting the D spell and the one that summons exalted chariots, and auto passing with the paradox seems broken. Chariots DS in at combat speed, so you can use that for anty horde and the D slapper for anti beat stick.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

You can just take 2 of the legendary greatpacks, you don't need to take "the greatpack".

Mitch311 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

You can just take 2 of the legendary greatpacks, you don't need to take "the greatpack".

He's talking about the command benefits of Decurion vs CAD, not what make up the greatpacks.

Since you can run CAD for OBSEC and hand pick any formation from the new campaign as an ally formation, it strictly becomes CAD benefit (OBSEC + re-roll warlord) vs Decurion benefit (counter-charge and fear/furious charge only if you take 2 greatpacks). In the case of Necrons, it's hella worth it. What about in the case of SW?

I got excited for a minute thinking GW reduced the price of a Space Wolf pack ($62AUD down to $60AUD), I almost wet myself....


...then I realised they must have removed the decal sheet.

Mitch311 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Agreed with all points. And not to mention, the SW Decurion is essentially a very focused CAD in the first place. Worse than the Gladius. Counter Assault is nice, and Furious Charge is as well, but the price tag in the form of 3-5 Claw units is just too much.

You can just take 2 of the legendary greatpacks, you don't need to take "the greatpack".

I wonder what the bonus for a standard greatpack is. Or has that come up in the thread already?