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Requizen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's a rules update in the form of an expensive supplement.

I don't even know where it's written "you must use the newest version of a rule". To me it's always been "If it's in a current publication, you can use it", and the SW codex as far as I can see is still a current publication.

Unless GW update the physical codex that's sitting on the shelf, then the SW codex is current rules. Even if they do update the physical codex I think you'd have to have a stick up your bum to not let someone just use the 2014 codex because with all the new formations it's more of a nerf than a boost, but that's just my personal opinion. As long as the SW codex is current I think it's fine to use it.

And you can go ahead and play like that, no one can tell you how to play with your buddies on a week night. Just don't expect other people to interpret it the same way if you play someone who cares about the rules or you go to an event. Anything you do that is out of the ordinary is a houserule, full stop. Not that there's anything wrong with houserules, we do them all the time (discard cards you can't achieve when playing Maelstrom, ignore Allies matrix when playing pickup 2v2s, etc), but it doesn't make them the actual rules.

Since you're taking the "It's the rules" stance, where does it state, in the rules, that you have to use the newest version of a rule?

I don't recall ever seeing it, but you seem very adamant that I must be house ruling if I think using something from a current publication is acceptable, so it must be written somewhere and I just missed it? I imagine if you're a new player you probably don't even know what publication pre-dates another.

EDIT: I mean, if you want to be pedantic.... The Space Wolf entry for a Dreadnought is just called "Dreadnought", but not many would argue that you are supposed to use the Space Marine profile for a "Dreadnought" even though it's newer, and now that this supplement has come out with an updated ebook are Space Marine players going to have to switch to the Space Wolf version of "Dreadnought"? It is the newest Dreadnought profile after all.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
EDIT: I mean, if you want to be pedantic.... The Space Wolf entry for a Dreadnought is just called "Dreadnought", but not many would argue that you are supposed to use the Space Marine profile for a "Dreadnought" even though it's newer, and now that this supplement has come out with an updated ebook are Space Marine players going to have to switch to the Space Wolf version of "Dreadnought"? It is the newest Dreadnought profile after all.

The 'Dreadnought' in Codex Space Marines and the 'Dreadnought' in Codex Space Wolves have different Factions, showing that they're not the same unit.

 Ghaz wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
EDIT: I mean, if you want to be pedantic.... The Space Wolf entry for a Dreadnought is just called "Dreadnought", but not many would argue that you are supposed to use the Space Marine profile for a "Dreadnought" even though it's newer, and now that this supplement has come out with an updated ebook are Space Marine players going to have to switch to the Space Wolf version of "Dreadnought"? It is the newest Dreadnought profile after all.

The 'Dreadnought' in Codex Space Marines and the 'Dreadnought' in Codex Space Wolves have different Factions, showing that they're not the same unit.

Is that intimated in the rules somewhere or are you just guessing that?

I mean, I'm not suggesting you should use the SM Dreadnought for a SW force.... it was just an example, and perhaps a poor one (kind of like people using "well I'll just use the 3rd edition codex!" is also a poor example ).

I'm just not aware of anywhere that it says in the rules you have to use the newest version of something when that something exists in multiple places in CURRENT publications. But maybe I just missed it.... I will admit I haven't spent a lot of time poring over the last 2 editions of the rules. I think it's just implied when a book falls out of publication or can't be bought from a GW source that its rules are no longer valid.

Look at the symbol directly above the picture. That defines what Faction the unit belongs to. It is clearly defined in each codex where they explain the components of the datasheet.

Yeah I'm aware of that. It probably wasn't a good comparison.

But still, I'd like to know if there's actually written somewhere in the rules that says you should use the rules in most recent publication.

Maybe GW will update the physical codex and stop selling the existing one, at this point you can still buy it though so I think it's still valid as a book in and of itself.

Yea it's not fair to sell the book to people without telling them they need to buy a $200 supplement to use it. I say as long as the book is sold its valid by itself. I wouldn't pull anyone up on it that's for sure.


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Well $125 AUD.

First look into Curse of the Wulfen over on Atia's https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/

Lots of images of the book



Chaos' back in town

How GW think people will react:

"Oooooh so exciting can't wait for the next instalment!"

How people actually react:

"Oh God, don't feth up my favourite army"

or

"Good, those (insert faction) have had it too good, hope they all die".

I'm in the "Don't feth up my SW" camp, even with easily 14,000 points worth and a near 20 year love of the Wolves, I think I'd get rid of the lot if the story goes gak.

At least they are a good seller so it's unlikely they will get wiped out

It would be really interesting if the story made the Space Wolves into a renegade chapter based on their mutations. That would seriously shake things up without needing to change rules (though Battle Brothers would become awkward).

 Kavish wrote:
Yea it's not fair to sell the book to people without telling them they need to buy a $200 supplement to use it. I say as long as the book is sold its valid by itself. I wouldn't pull anyone up on it that's for sure.


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Well $125 AUD.

I can't wait to see the GW store manager.... Oh, little Timmy wants to collect Space Wolves? This is his first army? Ok, well he'll need a rulebook *cough* $85 *cough* and the codex *cough* $50 *cough* oh and now Space Wolves have a brand new supplement that you need to keep it all current! *cough* $74 *cough*.

So that will be $209. What was that? How many models does that come with? Ummm, well, none, but over on this shelf we have a nice selection of models, here we have *cough* 5 *cough* Wulfen models for only *cough* $60 *cough*, so *cough* $269 *cough* all up. Not that it'll let you play a game, but I can help you out there over on this other shelf... so will that be cash, card or your immortal soul?

And that's all US pricing, it's truly comical when you consider the Australian pricing. $140AUD for the rulebook, $83 for the codex, $125 for the Wulfen supplement and $100 for a box of 5 Wulfen, $448AUD all up

It would be really interesting if the story made the Space Wolves into a renegade chapter based on their mutations.

Yikes, not sure I like that. Dont mess with the classics is always my motto.....

 Ratius wrote:

It would be really interesting if the story made the Space Wolves into a renegade chapter based on their mutations.

Yikes, not sure I like that. Dont mess with the classics is always my motto.....

And this is why every time someone muses about how awesome it would be for GW to advance the story my response is always "be careful what you wish for".

So not that I'm complaining (I'm not, honest! I love the stuff we seem to have got!) but is that all for the Wolves do we think? Or is there going to be anything more the in second part of the campaign? I assume there is going to be a part two based off the cliffhanger ending so far! And correct me if I'm wrong but the tau campaign had 2 parts - Kauyon and Mont'ka, which ad new formations in each?

Just wondering if people think we may get anything else or if the second part will perhaps focus on another army - the grey knights or even some stuff for the DA?

Atroxus wrote:
So not that I'm complaining (I'm not, honest! I love the stuff we seem to have got!) but is that all for the Wolves do we think? Or is there going to be anything more the in second part of the campaign? I assume there is going to be a part two based off the cliffhanger ending so far! And correct me if I'm wrong but the tau campaign had 2 parts - Kauyon and Mont'ka, which ad new formations in each?

Just wondering if people think we may get anything else or if the second part will perhaps focus on another army - the grey knights or even some stuff for the DA?

There was that old rumor about a large hairy monstrous creature that was supposed to be released this month. I was commenting on another forum that I wouldn't put it past GW to come out with a Giant-Squiggoth sized Fenrisian Mammoth that Bjorn the Fefll-handed rides into combat. It would sort of fit the new aesthetic GW seems to be going with.

Apparently the Dark Angels are going to blow up Fenris and everything will go to gak for both chapters since both the Wulfen and the Fallen become known to the rest of the Imperium.

I said to be careful what you wish for; enjoy being a planetless renegade chapter, Space Wolf fans.

But don't blame the DAs, as ultimately it was the Changeling (who made itself look like Azreal) that gave the command.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
But don't blame the DAs, as ultimately it was the Changeling (who made itself look like Azreal) that gave the command.

Did he peel of his mask afterwards, face the camera, and do a little Mutley-laugh?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Apparently the Dark Angels are going to blow up Fenris and everything will go to gak for both chapters since both the Wulfen and the Fallen become known to the rest of the Imperium.

I said to be careful what you wish for; enjoy being a planetless renegade chapter, Space Wolf fans.

Worst part of this is that some posters will now never, ever stop posting of their hatred of all things change in 40k threads instead of sticking to just the fantasy ones.

For the actual story I'm interested in seeing how it goes. I'm assuming it's a 2-part campaign like the Tau was. So fingers crossed we get some awesomeness. I'm kinda interested in seeing where the two legions of the Emperor's most loyal sons go from here.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
But don't blame the DAs, as ultimately it was the Changeling (who made itself look like Azreal) that gave the command.

Did he peel of his mask afterwards, face the camera, and do a little Mutley-laugh?

Who need a mask if you can shapeshift?

TBH I'm surprised GW haven't gotten him to do anything of this nature before.
His most notable achievements until this point were infiltrating a Harlequin Troupe to help the Masque destroy a minor craftworld and planting the seed of doubt into the mid of a GK.

Hahahahahahaha this is going to be so bad. Too bad I'm a huge fan of the Dark Angels. Awesome stuff when a chapter gets convinced by a simple disguise to nuke another astartes home world lol.

Glad for 30k and GWs writers not being involved

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Hahahahahahaha this is going to be so bad. Too bad I'm a huge fan of the Dark Angels. Awesome stuff when a chapter gets convinced by a simple disguise to nuke another astartes home world lol.

Glad for 30k and GWs writers not being involved

I mean, the Changeling isn't really a 'simple disguise'. It's not like a fake moustache and a pair of glasses.

My DA friend s upset his chapter might be heresy. I'm rolling around laughing my ass off so bad right now they fethed up that bad.

Wait until the next book when the wolves get their revenge on the DA and this blows into a miniature civil war among marines that is going to lead up into whatever 40k's "end times like" event is. I suspect we'll see Slaanesh destroyed by the Eldar/DA much like in fantasy its a pretty obvious change to make now.

They blew up Fenris!?! That's awesome! Now people can stop complaining about how the wolves get away with everything. With the wulfen out and about, I figured SOMEBODY would bring the hammer down.

It will be interesting to see a faction still loyal to the emporer that is opposed to the imperium at large...

So far, the Tau campaign didn't amount to much right? Huge things could have happened that would have changed the face of war for the Tau, but in the end the story advanced to end up at basically the same point it started. Some characters without or with old models died, and afterwards it was business as usual.

So I doubt the second volume of the Fenris campaign will have much of an impact. Probably something like the GK realize something is off, they manage to stop the war, both SW and DA realize chaos is at fault and join vs one last big Daemon invasion, a few finecast characters die and we're done.

Requizen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's a rules update in the form of an expensive supplement.

I don't even know where it's written "you must use the newest version of a rule". To me it's always been "If it's in a current publication, you can use it", and the SW codex as far as I can see is still a current publication.

Unless GW update the physical codex that's sitting on the shelf, then the SW codex is current rules. Even if they do update the physical codex I think you'd have to have a stick up your bum to not let someone just use the 2014 codex because with all the new formations it's more of a nerf than a boost, but that's just my personal opinion. As long as the SW codex is current I think it's fine to use it.

And you can go ahead and play like that, no one can tell you how to play with your buddies on a week night. Just don't expect other people to interpret it the same way if you play someone who cares about the rules or you go to an event. Anything you do that is out of the ordinary is a houserule, full stop. Not that there's anything wrong with houserules, we do them all the time (discard cards you can't achieve when playing Maelstrom, ignore Allies matrix when playing pickup 2v2s, etc), but it doesn't make them the actual rules.

So how you claim that official GW produced paper saying thing X is suddenly not official rules but houserule by players?

GW says you can use both versions. For some reason you disagree. Why?

 Wulfson_40K wrote:
So far, the Tau campaign didn't amount to much right? Huge things could have happened that would have changed the face of war for the Tau, but in the end the story advanced to end up at basically the same point it started. Some characters without or with old models died, and afterwards it was business as usual.

So I doubt the second volume of the Fenris campaign will have much of an impact. Probably something like the GK realize something is off, they manage to stop the war, both SW and DA realize chaos is at fault and join vs one last big Daemon invasion, a few finecast characters die and we're done.

Right I think Sad Panda implied there would be a large end times esque campaign books like end times except without the end in them. So bad stuff happens. These? These are not those campaign books. These are just the updates and stage setting for what I see as the main event that will change the 40k lore forever for good or bad. The Tau have been set up with a few major plot points waiting to unfold and I think we'll see that in whatever large story GW has planned.

Or knowing GW this could be their idea of crazy lore advancement who knows. I personally feel the Tau are going to expand a lot more because from a writing perspective and model perspective they are quite limited. Oh wow they have like a few hundred planets to the Imperials trillion oh they win again. There's no sense of urgency or of push and pull in the stories about Tau. They can't die because they need to go on existing to sell models and cool mecha, but it makes it hard to beleive these tiny little guys aren't wiped out. Not to mention if they want to set stories elsewhere the Tau are limited to their little corner of the galaxy so if they give them warp drives or some sort of FTL ability or something then they can a lot more mobile and can partake in these grand sweeping campaigns. They can timely arrive somewhere to cause havoc or be an ally. As it is with them in one tiny spot they can't be used.

Also they can't suffer any real losses either in such a tiny Empire except maybe a slap on the wrist planet here or there and then they expand and take like 4 planets ect. It's fairly predictable and dull. I would look to try to expand their ability to contribute to 40k as a whole.

Or GW can be GW and just totally fall flat and miss an opportunity. Either or really. I'll hope for the best, but if the worst happens I don't have my entire army staked on it.

Why is it when GW decide to advance the story, it basically means they explode something?

Being manipulated by the Changeling Dark Angels are bombarding planets including Fenris (thats what we can see in the leaked images). Read the end of the book on Warofsigmar. FENRIS HAS NOT BEEN DESTROYED.

Also there is going to be a second campaign book set.

And in Shield of Baal the Blood Angels home system was under heavy attacks but planet Baal was not destroyed either.

The fact that the Dark Angels open fire on the Space Wolves makes this acceptable to me.

All furries must be purged. Werewolf marines are heresy.

This is the last page of the fluff book of Warzone: Fenris part one