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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 06:29:30
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Dakka Veteran
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Some armies have some pretty incredible warlord traits, although some armies have some pretty useless traits. Would love to hear what everyone thinks are the best and worst warlord traits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 06:51:39
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Strategic is normally always the best table to roll on. Some Codex specific traits are good but you usually require a named character to guarantee it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 07:04:27
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Im not sure, daemons have amazing warlord traits where tyranids can have some pretty terrible rolls
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 07:09:56
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Been Around the Block
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I would say every ork warlord trait is useless except the one where your unit gains fearless during the waaagh. Thats it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 07:15:03
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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A couple of the Sisters of Battle ones are exceptional.
5++ for the whole Sisters unit the warlord is with? Yes please.
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 07:52:10
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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The Tau table is pretty decent, the Daemons table isn't terrible either, but 9/10 you're taking fateweaver and he already has the best warlord trait so it doen't really matter. Virtually everyone else is better off rolling strategic unless you're playing a very small game or have a combat beast or monsterous creature, then the Personal table can really make a difference. The maelstrom table has it's moments if you're playing maelstrom, but even then strategic is often a better option.
Special mention for CSM since they have :
1) Prefered Enemy: Space Marines in 12" bubble
2) Melee weapons have soul blaze
3) D3 infantry units gain infiltrate (doesn't include the warlord)
4) Hatred
5) Fear
6) Re-roll Boons
That has to be in contention for the worst table. For extra lulz, the 3 result is a worse version or the one on strategic. Literally the only thing that isn't junk (2,4,5&6) or better somewhere else (3) is PE: SM. Now while that's pretty decent against marines, it does nothing to help against anyone else and the rest of the table is trash.
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Peregrine wrote:What, you don't like rolling dice to see how many dice you roll? Why are you such an anti-dice bigot? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 08:52:26
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Missionary On A Mission
Australia
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curran12 wrote:A couple of the Sisters of Battle ones are exceptional.
5++ for the whole Sisters unit the warlord is with? Yes please.
Unfortunately its the only good one (which is why you make Jacobus your Warlord because he comes with it), especially considering the Command table in the BRB straight up offers you better versions of some of the Sister's Warlord Traits. Why would you want the "friendly units within 12" using your Warlord's Ld for Act of Faith tests "when the Command Table gives you a "friendly units within 12" can use your Warlord's Ld for all leadership tests" trait?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 09:00:21
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Douglas Bader
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Worst warlord trait, by far: the ABG one that makes your warlord a scoring unit. I think this might be the only warlord trait that never, under any circumstances, provides any benefit at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 09:01:30
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Lelith's +1WS trait has got to be the most pointless ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 09:07:49
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Missionary On A Mission
Australia
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Peregrine wrote:Worst warlord trait, by far: the ABG one that makes your warlord a scoring unit. I think this might be the only warlord trait that never, under any circumstances, provides any benefit at all.
If you're playing with 6th Edition rules it would? Since only Troop choices were scoring back then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 09:13:26
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Stubborn Eternal Guard
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I think the Harlequins have some pretty good warlord traits, +4 for seize the initiative? Yes please....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 09:16:33
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Douglas Bader
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GoonBandito wrote:If you're playing with 6th Edition rules it would? Since only Troop choices were scoring back then.
Yes, and that's why it exists. But in 7th it's the clear winner for "worst in the game".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 10:42:55
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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MorkorpossiblyGork wrote:I would say every ork warlord trait is useless except the one where your unit gains fearless during the waaagh. Thats it.
While I do think the ork table isn't great, I think you can get a lot of mileage out of the re-roll morale checks trait. It can limit the amount of orks that get punched to death by your own nobs, and makes anything near your warlord very difficult to break when combined with mob rule.
I think one of the better traits is the tau one that gives you 3d6 jet pack movement, the extra movement is a lifesaver, and since it also applies to the commander's unit, it can make any jetpack unit you need super maneuvrable.
As for the worst...maybe the dark eldar one that gives +1WS, or the ork one that gives +1S. WS doesn't tend to matter much once you are a single point above your opponent, which dark eldar already tend to be, and in the case of the ork one, nearly any character who would benefit from it already has a power klaw and so does not. Oh oh oh! Black Crusader on the chaos table! Obviously has a use if you're fighting space marines, but otherwise...it literally does nothing for your warlord!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 10:57:22
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Guards are pretty terrible. I haven't played in a while but I remember the game didn't change at all if I forgot to roll for them...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 11:52:37
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
England
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As always, the Eldar get all the nice things. Their warlord traits are pretty solid, like D3 scout moves. Combo that with WKs, and you've got a super heavy on your doorstep.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 13:12:02
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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The single worst one IMO is a Skiitari trait.
It grants Eternal Warrior.
Now that doesn't seem SO bad, until you look at who you can give it to.
Did you (as most skiitari players do) declare one of your W1 Skiitari Alphas the warlord? LOL.
Did you declare a Sicarian? Good job! You got a T3, W2 4+ 35 point warlord with eternal warrior.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 15:43:50
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Dakka Veteran
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Skittari alphas are 2 wounds.
the worst trait is nids No1 turns a piece of jungle terrain within 12" of the warlord into carnivorous jungle for the rest of the game. Now thats just bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 15:55:41
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Irked Necron Immortal
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CSM re-roll the boon table
by far the worst and best at the same time
Woo I won my Challenge! omg why deamon prince?
re-roll for any thing else
Chaos Spawn....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 16:46:11
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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tau tse tung wrote:Guards are pretty terrible. I haven't played in a while but I remember the game didn't change at all if I forgot to roll for them...
take creed. take 2 rolls on strategic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 17:04:28
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Hellacious Havoc
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Depending on your army, the one from Tactical (I think) that allows rerolls of all 1s to hit when shooting within 12" of your warlord is great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 17:07:31
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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GoonBandito wrote: curran12 wrote:A couple of the Sisters of Battle ones are exceptional.
5++ for the whole Sisters unit the warlord is with? Yes please.
Unfortunately its the only good one (which is why you make Jacobus your Warlord because he comes with it), especially considering the Command table in the BRB straight up offers you better versions of some of the Sister's Warlord Traits. Why would you want the "friendly units within 12" using your Warlord's Ld for Act of Faith tests "when the Command Table gives you a "friendly units within 12" can use your Warlord's Ld for all leadership tests" trait?
For the most part, I agree with you, but I like using a Canoness as my Warlord, and some of the others can provide some situational use. Re-rolling failed DTW is nice in a unit that can get DTW on a 4+ (Adamantium Will + Inquisitor psyker) at least for a one-time thing, as most are not expecting it. Also, I am fond of the Rage one as well, as it amuses me greatly to bring down haughty fighty characters with my Canoness and her beatstick axe.  Not the best, to be sure, but entertaining.
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 18:44:47
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The worst one straight up is from CSM's that provides Fear or the PE bubble.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
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vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 21:29:56
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Douglas Bader
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Why do people keep suggesting worst traits that are not the worst trait? I've already posted which one it is, so unless you've found another one that does literally nothing it isn't the worst trait. Even a trait that gives a very small and rarely-relevant bonus is still better than nothing.
Peregrine wrote:Worst warlord trait, by far: the ABG one that makes your warlord a scoring unit. I think this might be the only warlord trait that never, under any circumstances, provides any benefit at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 22:35:27
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
England
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Just realised that there's a Harlequin Warlord Trait which gives you +4 to any Seize roll. Thats a lot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 22:44:37
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Furious Raptor
Sydney, Australia
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Peregrine wrote:Why do people keep suggesting worst traits that are not the worst trait? I've already posted which one it is, so unless you've found another one that does literally nothing it isn't the worst trait. Even a trait that gives a very small and rarely-relevant bonus is still better than nothing.
Peregrine wrote:Worst warlord trait, by far: the ABG one that makes your warlord a scoring unit. I think this might be the only warlord trait that never, under any circumstances, provides any benefit at all.
Be nice if they updated it via a FAQ download to give the "objective secured" special rule. At least then it would do more than literally nothing!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 22:50:50
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Peregrine wrote:Why do people keep suggesting worst traits that are not the worst trait? I've already posted which one it is, so unless you've found another one that does literally nothing it isn't the worst trait. Even a trait that gives a very small and rarely-relevant bonus is still better than nothing.
Peregrine wrote:Worst warlord trait, by far: the ABG one that makes your warlord a scoring unit. I think this might be the only warlord trait that never, under any circumstances, provides any benefit at all.
I think what people are doing now is discussing the worst trait that actually does something for the army. They have recognized that you found the worst one by virtue of being outdated, and so are trying to find the worst that still technically gives a benefit. They aren't ignoring you. Here's your gold star. *simulate sticking you with a gold star*
I think Sammael's +3" to run, turbo boost, and charge range is pretty good. On a Black Knight squad that gives a charge range of 5"-15" which is helpful for being reliable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/24 23:32:58
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Infiltrating Prowler
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tau tse tung wrote:Guards are pretty terrible. I haven't played in a while but I remember the game didn't change at all if I forgot to roll for them...
You sound like you didn't even read them even that while ago when you actually played.
Preferred Enemy to your Warlords Units =/= terrible
Outflanking multiple units =/= terrible
Being able to give +1 orders =/= terrible
Being able to give orders from further away =/= terrible
Giving a bubble that makes every single unit immune to morale test from taking 25% casualties =/= terrible
Sure, there're better options and some are rather optional but saying that the traits are terrible, as if they were even remotely near as bad as Tyranids, Orks, BA, DE and so on, is a straight up lie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/25 00:30:27
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think the worst trait is "The Way of the Short Blade", like woohoo my Mark'O or whatever has WS5, now I can run him in solo to combat and give up Warlord points! I mean that ability is excessively bad in my opinion, to the point that it's only useful when you play incorrectly. I guess if you take the overpriced melta sword it's ok then for taking out vehicles, but that thing is already overpriced and pretty bad.
The stronger Tau trait in my opinion is probably "A Ghost Who Walks Among Us" since it gives your commander unit just that much more mobility which is nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/25 03:57:44
Subject: Best and worst warlord traits
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Dakka Veteran
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The Eldar one that stops Deep Strikers from scattering if they land within 12" of the Warlord is pretty bad, since the units most likely to Deep Strike (Swooping Hawks, Falcon Squadrons) already don't scatter when they come in due to their innate special rules. That means the trait will help... Warp Spiders and Wraithknights? I think that's all.
When I use the Crimson Fist-specific table I rather like getting Eternal Warrior or Feel No Pain. Not game-changing or anything, but they let my Captain take some punches on the face. The trait that grants Stubborn and Counter-attack while within 3" of an objective can be really good in Maelstrom Missions, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/25 04:18:59
Subject: Re:Best and worst warlord traits
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Most of the ones on the Khorne Daemonkin table are good:
1) Reroll charge distances when within 12" of the Warlord
2) Warlord gains Zealot
3) Warlord gains +1 Attack
4) Warlord gets +1 Blood Tithe when he kills a character in a challenge
5) Warlord gains Preferred Enemy
6) Automatically pass leadership check when turning warlord into a Prince or Bloodthirster
Whenever I play Daemonkin I roll on their own table. It's fun getting #3 on a Juggerlord (8 attacks on the charge, or 9 if the +1 Attack blood tithe reward is active).
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