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So since "Fantasy" models now use the same bases as 40k, and Chaos Daemons being basically legit in both systems now, do you think GW will eventually do something like Warmachine and Hordes, and make it so that you can merge the game systems at some point?

Doubtful.

Warmachine/Hordes have similar mechanics. 40k and Age of Sigmar have nothing mechanically speaking in common.

If 40k gets the ol' AoS treatment and dumbed down, I think it is something GW would do, making them compatible.

Now 40k getting Sigmared is another issue entirely, as from what we've been hearing it has not sold nearly as well as what people were expecting, but it itself was a reaction to falling sales so it might force GW to do something drastic to 40k too.

It could be a possibility. I think financial issue (AoS sales) could drive GW to incorporate AoS into 40k like WMH.

Depends how bad 40K sales get and how AoS sales go. If AoS sales increase significantly and 40K goes from their golden goose and starts nosediving it could be possible.

 Grimskul wrote:
Depends how bad 40K sales get and how AoS sales go. If AoS sales increase significantly and 40K goes from their golden goose and starts nosediving it could be possible.

The first sign has been the rebasing of the AoS models on round bases.
Another is the existence of models/units that can be used in both systems, like Daemons.

I'd like to see my cavalry units, Marauders and Chaos Knights, having an equivalent in 40k, like Chaos exodites.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Depends how bad 40K sales get and how AoS sales go. If AoS sales increase significantly and 40K goes from their golden goose and starts nosediving it could be possible.

The first sign has been the rebasing of the AoS models on round bases.
Another is the existence of models/units that can be used in both systems, like Daemons.

I'd like to see my cavalry units, Marauders and Chaos Knights, having an equivalent in 40k, like Chaos exodites.

Hey, if it means CSM get the same kind of love that Warriors of Chaos have been getting in AoS that might not be that bad. I know Black Orcs and Nobz kits are used pretty interchangeably between Orks and OnG.

I wouldn't be unhappy if AoS and 40k would merge.
PP has found a nice way to separate WM from Hordes by some kind of duality.

I got a feeling they're going to test the water. Maybe not an end times 40k, but a big story shakeup. A similar pattern is happening now in 40k as to the lead up to end times. The majority of factions are in 7th now even if not 7.5 and I think once we see them all in 7th or 7.5 form we'll see if GW has any plans for a big end times like story even if it isn't the end times for 40k.

I doubt it will be 50k as that's too big a change.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
So since "Fantasy" models now use the same bases as 40k, and Chaos Daemons being basically legit in both systems now, do you think GW will eventually do something like Warmachine and Hordes, and make it so that you can merge the game systems at some point?

Warmachine and hordes are two separate games living in the same IP 'world'. Hence compatible.

40k and Aos are two separate games thst share some similar Dna but live in different IP 'worlds'.

Merging them makes little sense.

However you may see 40k and other games (the supposed resurrected specialist games) in that IP that may or may not be interchangeable on some level.

Merging them makes little sense.

Does the fluff of the Sigmarines make much sense?
Sense or not. Financial issues may lead to a merging of both systems. It will be a management decision.

People have some weird ideas about Warmachine and Hordes. They're not two separate but compatible games, it's one game with the factions divided into two groups based on whether they use robots or monsters in their armies. Hordes is basically a very large Warmachine expansion.

I believe it will eventually happen. Not today, not tomorrow, and not next month. But the way I see it, AoS has been the first step towards it. GW has officially stated (via reports) that they're planning to shake up their "stagnant" model lines.

I don't think they will 'kill' 40k as they did with Fantasy, but some kind of system compatibility allowing for AoS factions to battle 40k factions should not be ruled out. After all, they've already got rid of the main factor that separated Fantasy and 40k, Fantasy's regiment system with square bases.

I was suprised they did not just give their 40k models AOS stats as well and tried to increase sales that way.............

Deadnight wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
So since "Fantasy" models now use the same bases as 40k, and Chaos Daemons being basically legit in both systems now, do you think GW will eventually do something like Warmachine and Hordes, and make it so that you can merge the game systems at some point?

Warmachine and hordes are two separate games living in the same IP 'world'. Hence compatible.

40k and Aos are two separate games thst share some similar Dna but live in different IP 'worlds'.

Merging them makes little sense.

However you may see 40k and other games (the supposed resurrected specialist games) in that IP that may or may not be interchangeable on some level.

There were once upon a time hints that 40k and Fnatasy were the same setting, and those have come back recently. It's thought that Drogo made an appearance in the End Times, though not explicitly named.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Merging them makes little sense.

Does the fluff of the Sigmarines make much sense?
Sense or not. Financial issues may lead to a merging of both systems. It will be a management decision.

If they merge at all, I think it would be the other way, with AoS merging into 40k. I could easily see GW putting out a 40k codex for the sigmarines. They wouldn't even look that out of place.

When they finally decide AoS is a failure I fully expect them to try to salvage at least the Sigmarine line by merging them into 40k while squatting Sisters of Battleing everything else.

You forget that any new game system has a two year lead time if age of empire is happening it's already been made and is sitting in the warehouse waiting for June/July

Even if they accept AoS has tanked they are locked in now so they either release it risking it killing of the 40k community or lose hundreds of thousands by trashing stock they've built up.

I hope they have enough sense not to take 40k the AoS path but it's GW so I'm sure it's all speed ahead damn the torpedoes.

No, AOS has not sold well going by GWs recent financials. The 6 month report shows that that the mostly AOS release during that period has missed every sales goal. If GW does the same to 40k, their last viable IP they will go under.

Only thing that saved that period was the 30k release and as well as that sold it wasn't enough to off set the massive flop that was AoS.

hobojebus wrote:
Only thing that saved that period was the 30k release and as well as that sold it wasn't enough to off set the massive flop that was AoS.

Not really, the fiscal half year ended at Nov 29, 2015, while the HH board game arrived just one week before.

 wuestenfux wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Only thing that saved that period was the 30k release and as well as that sold it wasn't enough to off set the massive flop that was AoS.

Not really, the fiscal half year ended at Nov 29, 2015, while the HH board game arrived just one week before.

GW has said in the past that sales are heavily front loaded. The vast majority of kits sold are sold within the first 2 weeks of release. The exceptions are staples like tac squads and things that get buffed through the roof when a new codex comes out. I would say that week of Calth sales saw a lot of boxes sold.

Indeed from reports calth sold well at first but has now died down.

That means they need another big seller before the year end report, all armies now have 7th ed books so that means they need a new edition of 40k.

And reports from inside sources indicate the AoSification is due sometime in the next two years.

So putting two and two together we'll get another new edition of 40k so they can start the cycle all over again but now with worse rules even less balance and yet more price increases.

 jonolikespie wrote:

There were once upon a time hints that 40k and Fnatasy were the same setting, and those have come back recently. It's thought that Drogo made an appearance in the End Times, though not explicitly named.

True. I remember that theory - but even back then, it was a fan theory (sigmar being a primarch etc). But That era also saw rainbow warrior space marines, zoats eating zoatabix, tigurius being a half human half eldar hybrid, space wolves living on Lucan, leman Russ being an imperial commander with an iron lung and an inquisitor by the name of obi wan Sherlock cleusou.

Hints, nods and subtle references (especially those referencing products of the same creators) don't necessarily mean they were the same 'ip'. After all. How many hints, nods and Easter eggs do you see in various movies towards other movies and what not? Oftentimes it's nought more than a cheeky acknowledgement and a wee reward for the detail obsessed.

Warhammer fantasy and 40k have always been two separate entities.

Not a chance. The huge transition that was WHFB to AOS as justified because sales on Fantasy Battle were in the dumps, i.e. even if AOS flopped it wouldn't have been much worse financially for GW becasue 8th edition was already doing so poorly.

40k on the other hand, love or hate the rules, is if not thriving, then certainly still stable. There's no way in hell GW will rock that boat.

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Not a chance. The huge transition that was WHFB to AOS as justified because sales on Fantasy Battle were in the dumps, i.e. even if AOS flopped it wouldn't have been much worse financially for GW becasue 8th edition was already doing so poorly.

40k on the other hand, love or hate the rules, is if not thriving, then certainly still stable. There's no way in hell GW will rock that boat.

Falling sales and falling revenue year on year is not stable.

 jonolikespie wrote:

Falling sales and falling revenue year on year is not stable.

Stable compared to the rut Fantasy was in in any case.

In 2012-13 fantasy was the third best selling miniature game, that changed because GW neglected it look at how bretonians were left with the same book for a decade.

The first end times books sold out incredibly fast clearly showing there was an eager fan base begging for attention.

GW neglected wfb that's why people grew sour on it.

Had they managed the game competently it would of still made money.

Instead they killed it and it's player base and the replacement is selling far worse.

If they have plans to AoS 40k then it's already done, the starter kits already printed and even though AoS flopped massively they are too far along to change course.

Those new wulfen scream AoS to me they certainly don't fit the old aesthetic.

 Gamgee wrote:
I got a feeling they're going to test the water. Maybe not an end times 40k, but a big story shakeup. A similar pattern is happening now in 40k as to the lead up to end times.

No, it's not. What's happening "now in 40k" is they've been expounding upon events that have been around in the fluff for quite awhile. They haven't advanced the storyline in any real measure, just fluffed it out a bit more.