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Afternoon all, 5 pages already, wow that was quick.

So yes, we have taken a different approach for this product line, I understand that it may not be everybody cup of tea.

I wont really try to defend it as I don't want to get into any arguments about it. so to put it simply, the game is PG16, the models we have designed are not for every customer ( we know that). As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

Why this approach, well there is lack of this kind of miniatures on the market and we wanted to fill the gap.

Oh and before you ask me why the models are almost armourless, well, they are protected by 2 factors :1st one is pure awesomeness and 2nd, more serious, a force field... after all it's a sci-fi so why we need heavy armour on a miniature if we can have a force field and enjoy a bit of beautiful female body ;/

oh yeas and here is a link to 360 to the model that is causing the most controversy : https://skfb.ly/Ks6O

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
So.. when people ask me what wargaming is. I'll show them these little figurines, right?

When people ask why you read books, do you start off with Fifty Shades of Gray as well?

No, obviously the Playboy or Penthouse, pictures work better than pages of nothing but words. Need to ease them into the medium after all.

Out of curiosity, what was your best WZR release?

 BrookM wrote:
No, obviously the Playboy or Penthouse, pictures work better than pages of nothing but words. Need to ease them into the medium after all.

Easy exalt is easy.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
As has been mentioned the KD pinups are a supplement to, not a main part of the core game/line. They also follow a more "realistic" form of anatomy(albeit still slightly exaggerated) than Archon's miniatures, who are a part of their main line apparently.

See, because they're not part of the main line but merely a collector's side line, it makes them totally fine! Just as this, and this, and this, and this, and this are by no means representative of the game, because they don't come in the main box! The excuses are endless!

 Sinful Hero wrote:
As for the monsters and other parts of the KD setting, they actually make sense as a part of the body-horror imagery they're trying to invoke along the lines of H.R. Giger and other artists.

Let me pitch my idea for a boardgame for a sec - it's about these naked ladies with big tits duking it out, and it's inspired by Goya. It doesn't have a giant holding its oversized junk, but if the love for Saturn Devouring His Son is large enough, I guess I can fit it in! It's not exploitative, nosiree, it's ART! And the reason for the saturation of lurid nudity is explained in the backstory. Honest!

 Sinful Hero wrote:
In what universe would these Space Crusade minis work other than a pre-teen's bikini bash fantasy?

Don't break your keyboard trying to come out with an excuse for furry porn and Riot Grrl BS in Infinity.

Interesting they're selling better than Warzone Resurrection. I wonder what could be inferred from that point of data?

Wow dude, chill.

I'd actually be interested in a revamped Space Crusade, but don't like resin minis.

Sadness.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

 Ctaylor wrote:
I'd actually be interested in a revamped Space Crusade, but don't like resin minis.

Sadness.

Hi there, we are working on PVC solution or hard plastic, but the main Hero models are in resin (fully assembled) to retain the quality.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

So it wasn't just me...

 -DE- wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
As has been mentioned the KD pinups are a supplement to, not a main part of the core game/line. They also follow a more "realistic" form of anatomy(albeit still slightly exaggerated) than Archon's miniatures, who are a part of their main line apparently.

See, because they're not part of the main line but merely a collector's side line, it makes them totally fine! Just as this, and this, and this, and this, and this are by no means representative of the game, because they don't come in the main box! The excuses are endless!

For the record, "Distracted" is a 54mm collector's miniature. The rest in my opinion make more sense as a part of the setting than "because Force Fields".

 Sinful Hero wrote:
As for the monsters and other parts of the KD setting, they actually make sense as a part of the body-horror imagery they're trying to invoke along the lines of H.R. Giger and other artists.

Let me pitch my idea for a boardgame for a sec - it's about these naked ladies with big tits duking it out, and it's inspired by Goya. It doesn't have a giant holding its oversized junk, but if the love for Saturn Devouring His Son is large enough, I guess I can fit it in! It's not exploitative, nosiree, it's ART! And the reason for the saturation of lurid nudity is explained in the backstory. Honest!

The Forge God and the Wet Nurse are both pretty much the epitome of body horror.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
In what universe would these Space Crusade minis work other than a pre-teen's bikini bash fantasy?

Don't break your keyboard trying to come out with an excuse for furry porn and Riot Grrl BS in Infinity.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

I've always been tempted to buy some WZR models, but a lack of folks to play against have mostly stayed my hand. Maybe when I get the chance I'll do my part to tip the scales back the other way.

if you have more questions regarding the game or gameplay please post it up and I'll try to answer all questions the best I can, or sign up for a monthly newsletter where we will unveil more about it at our web-store @ shop.prodosgames.com.

Thanks again for your feedback on design, much appreciated, as mentioned , please bear in mind that we probably will have to PG16 the game (we have, however in mind less "gore" (Jesus sound like the current one is gore or something!) SC board game in mind for PG13). Thanks

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

Sad to hear WZR isn't doing as well as it should, will be making sure to pick up those new forces you showed off on Facebook and stepping up the push on the rest of the gaming group .

One thing I'll say about this range is that it's reasonably consistent. WZR suffers from being all over the place, sometimes even within the same faction.

That, and the poses. It's easier to swallow a Dance Dance Revolution show when it's pseudo Daemonetess doing it, compared to Mourning Wolves or Hussars.

YouKnowsIt wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

Sad to hear WZR isn't doing as well as it should, will be making sure to pick up those new forces you showed off on Facebook and stepping up the push on the rest of the gaming group .

Well, WZR is doing OK I just point out that the SC is selling better Thanks for support anyway, there is more to come for Warzone in next 6 months, the plan is to get really a lot of new shining toys + "hiden" release of miniatures we had sculpted like year ago! Thanks



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 His Master's Voice wrote:
One thing I'll say about this range is that it's reasonably consistent. WZR suffers from being all over the place, sometimes even within the same faction.

That, and the poses. It's easier to swallow a Dance Dance Revolution show when it's pseudo Deamonetess doing it, compared to Mourning Wolves or Hussars.

Agreed, sadly we had have sometimes 3 sculptors with different styles working on a models for the same fraction, what is good about it, we now have sculptors with almost identical style!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
we now have sculptors with almost identical style!

Good news. Now work on planting the feet of your miniatures on the ground and I'll keep buying.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

I've always been tempted to buy some WZR models, but a lack of folks to play against have mostly stayed my hand. Maybe when I get the chance I'll do my part to tip the scales back the other way.

That's one big issue for us the USA market, the feedback is : Warzone was heavily pushed through distribution in their previous incarnations, and it went out of business 3 times, now it need time to get USA distributors convinced that this time Warzone will stay for a bit longer. But we have a plan B that we are working on to get Warzone more into USA

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Well, WZR is doing OK I just point out that the SC is selling better

Unsurprising, really. People have been clamoring for female space marines and/or sisters of battle for years, and you've delivered. I suspect such people outnumber fans of WZR by a large margin.

It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.

 Lockark wrote:
It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.

Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(

WZR 2.0 we are working on will introduce more vehicles (transport) and fast ones, so keep your eyes on it.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.

Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(

WZR 2.0 we are working on will introduce more vehicles (transport) and fast ones, so keep your eyes on it.

Just sort of mentioning from my experience locally. More vehicles and a second edition would probably get alot more people locally for me to take a fresh look at the game. I like the more infantry/foot sloggy feel of the game ATM, but I think I'm very much in the minority in that respect.

Are we sure the title shouldn't be: Space Cruise Aide

Where your group of Space Pimps cruise around in low riders helping space strumpets recover their missing undies after a bad trick?

Bonkers models. Seems like a lowest common denominator effect to quickly bung out something to grab the name.

Pass.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
So.. when people ask me what wargaming is. I'll show them these little figurines, right?

When people ask why you read books, do you start off with Fifty Shades of Gray as well?

That's the joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

I'm not sure if =Prodos thinks these will sell like hot cakes to all those "miserable, lardy, greasy wargamers out there." Or if they just got a friend of a friend who had this "great" idea!?

Just let me reiterate here. This is equivalent to a bikini DLC for a AAA video game... :(

I'm just going to put it out there, not my cup of tea. But I'm not surprised there is an audience for what is effectively 40K meets playboy

My major concern is the choice of name. We have a Space Crusade board game already in existence by a large war-gaming company that doesn't mind throwing it's lawyers around if they feel their toes being stepped on.

I'd like to ask you guys at Prodos, why choose a name soo similar to an existing product that it could be confused with? I know you guys had a hard time dealing with 20th Century Fox and knowing how annoying legal processes can be, so that you'd choose to be what I perceive as careless in this area again is my area of concern.

***cynic mode engage*** please don't read past this point if you don't want to see some wild ranting bs.

My primary thought is that this provides an avenue to explain delays and pass blame to third parties if again you are unable to meet delivery time frames, like WZR and AvP.

If this happens, I'll be referencing this post just to say I called it. But hey, this is mostly fueled by the pure disappointment of waiting 3 odd years for AvP and not hearing anything useful. Don't worry I'll be surely e-mailing the KS e-mail once the deadline is up so I'm hoping I can get a bit more comms from you guys then. I am just upset to hear money issues for AvP delivery, just to see you paying to churn out a new line off my investment that I've seen no return on.

Hey lets no go OT here, PM me if you have anything useful to say about my AvP order (same KS username as here)

But I'm keen for ya to reply to the post about space crusaderS naming choice.

The sad thing to me is that the models are technically well done; I could certainly see myself buying them if they had complete armor.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
...and 2nd, more serious, a force field... after all it's a sci-fi so why we need heavy armour on a miniature if we can have a force field and enjoy a bit of beautiful female body ;/

Seriously? Covered in a force field? Shame on you.

 Compel wrote:
It does depend on whether it's a promoted product or not (they could do with making this clearer).

Most Mantic videos tend to be promoted. - It wouldn't surprise me if most of their non backstage content is. They tended to be a bit more open in their opinions in their backstage videos.

From the sounds of it though, Prodos aren't exactly in a position to afford Beasts of War promotion.

But yeah, it's entertaining trying to read between the lines of their videos and articles, for example this Wulfen article.

If BoW is carrying promotional videos without clearly stating which they are, they are breaking the law. There is a big hoo-haa about this in relation to vloggers some months ago. I can't believe BoW would be so unprofessional.

The new Warzone stuff doesn't seem to be the same sculpt quality as the older stuff and the aesthetic seems to have shifted towards the anime end of the spectrum. Perhaps there is a connection.