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Hey all, So, I was just curious, What chapter, Loyalist or traitor, in 40k, do you think fits the Betrayal at Calth models best? I realy like the models and want to use them for 40k, But my only space marine army is Space Wolves and I just dont think they fit the space wolves very well in 40k..

I'd say, pick one of the Legions from 30K that still have Chapters in 40K.

Dark Angels
Ultramarines

There are several more. Check out this for more info...

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Legions

Red Scorpions. The mark of amour is correct.

Consecrators - Dark Angels Successors that only wear older marks of armour.

If you plan on building the terminators with the lightning claws, I might go for a traitor legion. They just seem so vicious for a loyalist.

But there really isn’t a wrong answer here.

Minotaurs- the look of the terminator armour in particular matches their aesthetic. Good for rewards for elite servants of the High Lords' will.

Relictors- rare pieces liberated from the treasuries of hated traitors, now born into battle to redeem themselves.

Depends on whether you want the best match for a 30k legion or a 40k Chapter. If you want a 40k army, the above mentioned would be a great match, For 30k, almost all of the Traitor legions had a lot of MkIV armor. exception being Death Guard. Horus chose to "modify" what legions got what, and make extra sure more shipments went to the legions that were known to side with him. All legions had access to the MkIV armor, just the traitor legions had better access to it.

Red Scorpions. They have the most Mk.4 out of all the chapters.

Lamenters or Charadons. They've spend most of their time on campaign with few supply shipments, so have a lot of unreplaced heresy equipment still in service. The sort of knighty look of the armours would also fit in well with Black Templars.

I say Ultramarines or Minotaurs. They have the roman/greek thing going on harder than anything else.

MkIV is Red Scorpion's 'thing' ~ Forge World even does a MkIV upgrade set for them (for using with the non-MkIV plastics, not the Calth ones).

FW's write-up of MkIV in IA10 also notes the Iron Hands as still being able to use/maintain them.

IA12 notes that the Angel Revenant chapter maintained a venerable core of MkIV suits used by its veterans.

 sing your life wrote:
Lamenters or Charadons. They've spend most of their time on campaign with few supply shipments, so have a lot of unreplaced heresy equipment still in service.

That doesn't really fit with the fluff of MkIV: The whole reason it was all but abandoned by the end of the Horus Heresy was that it was next to impossible to maintain without a reliable source of spare parts.

Merellin wrote:
Hey all, So, I was just curious, What chapter, Loyalist or traitor, in 40k, do you think fits the Betrayal at Calth models best? I realy like the models and want to use them for 40k, But my only space marine army is Space Wolves and I just dont think they fit the space wolves very well in 40k..

13th Company! The 13th company have to resupply by looting from chaos forces.

Many chaos forces, no matter at what point in the time line you fight them, are 'fresh' out of the HH so will still be wearing what they wore at the Siege of Terra, i.e. plenty of mark IV. Vis a vis 13th Company probably loot (and wear) plenty of MkIV armour.

 Souleater wrote:
Consecrators - Dark Angels Successors that only wear older marks of armour.

I'm really liking this idea! I might end up doing that with some of my Betrayal at Calth models!

SG

Thirding Consecrators.

Any Traitor Legion as well though.

Ultramarines. Given that the models in the box set are intended to represent Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

MIni MIehm wrote:
Ultramarines. Given that the models in the box set are intended to represent Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

"intended" with no markings whatsoever on the armor? that's like saying a regular tactical squad box is "intended" to be Ultramarines 'cause they are blue on the front of the box.

MKIV armor (from a fluff standpoint) was the most common among traitor legions, though blood angels, UM, Thousand Sons, and Raven Guard had a whole lot of MK IV since it was a mix of how they ended up being armed, and horus trying to make BA and TS like him more though gifts.

 Brennonjw wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
Ultramarines. Given that the models in the box set are intended to represent Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

"intended" with no markings whatsoever on the armor? that's like saying a regular tactical squad box is "intended" to be Ultramarines 'cause they are blue on the front of the box.

MKIV armor (from a fluff standpoint) was the most common among traitor legions, though blood angels, UM, Thousand Sons, and Raven Guard had a whole lot of MK IV since it was a mix of how they ended up being armed, and horus trying to make BA and TS like him more though gifts.

Well, yeah. The Battle of Calth was a fight between the Ultramarines and Word Bearers. The loyalist models are intended to represent Ultramarines. I'm not sure how this is even being questioned.

MIni MIehm wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
Ultramarines. Given that the models in the box set are intended to represent Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

"intended" with no markings whatsoever on the armor? that's like saying a regular tactical squad box is "intended" to be Ultramarines 'cause they are blue on the front of the box.

MKIV armor (from a fluff standpoint) was the most common among traitor legions, though blood angels, UM, Thousand Sons, and Raven Guard had a whole lot of MK IV since it was a mix of how they ended up being armed, and horus trying to make BA and TS like him more though gifts.

Well, yeah. The Battle of Calth was a fight between the Ultramarines and Word Bearers. The loyalist models are intended to represent Ultramarines. I'm not sure how this is even being questioned.

There are no differences between the models designated for the Ultramarines and Word Bearers. They are exactly the same. There are official images of the entire box set to be painted as either faction. The decal sheet you get has options to make an Ultramarine Chaplain (Who is a Word Bearer model as intended).

I'm considering maybe Salamanders.. They seem quite intresting.. Hmm..

 TheCustomLime wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

MIni MIehm wrote:
Ultramarines. Given that the models in the box set are intended to represent Ultramarines and Word Bearers.

"intended" with no markings whatsoever on the armor? that's like saying a regular tactical squad box is "intended" to be Ultramarines 'cause they are blue on the front of the box.

MKIV armor (from a fluff standpoint) was the most common among traitor legions, though blood angels, UM, Thousand Sons, and Raven Guard had a whole lot of MK IV since it was a mix of how they ended up being armed, and horus trying to make BA and TS like him more though gifts.

Well, yeah. The Battle of Calth was a fight between the Ultramarines and Word Bearers. The loyalist models are intended to represent Ultramarines. I'm not sure how this is even being questioned.

There are no differences between the models designated for the Ultramarines and Word Bearers. They are exactly the same. There are official images of the entire box set to be painted as either faction. The decal sheet you get has options to make an Ultramarine Chaplain (Who is a Word Bearer model as intended).

That's fine. They're still intended to be built as Word Bearers and Ultramarines. Whatever distribution of forces you choose to make, the box set is intended to represent part of a specific battle, which means that the models are intended to represent specific factions. Therefore, to answer the question of "what loyalist or traitor chapter or legion fit the Betrayal at Calth models bes?" The answer is either Word Bearers or Ultramarines, since those are the forces intended to be represented by the models in the box. This is not rocket surgery. Any other option is cool, but not the best fit for those models by definition.

MIni MIehm wrote:

That's fine. They're still intended to be built as Word Bearers and Ultramarines. Whatever distribution of forces you choose to make, the box set is intended to represent part of a specific battle, which means that the models are intended to represent specific factions. Therefore, to answer the question of "what loyalist or traitor chapter or legion fit the Betrayal at Calth models bes?" The answer is either Word Bearers or Ultramarines, since those are the forces intended to be represented by the models in the box. This is not rocket surgery. Any other option is cool, but not the best fit for those models by definition.

They're generic mk4 and cataphract legionnaires which happen to be sold together with a boardgame that features the Word Bearers fighting the Ultramarines. It isn't like terminators and dreadnoughts are particularly iconic or exclusive for either of those two legions and the models don't come cast with specific iconography. *shrug* GW isn't shy about doing that kind of thing so the fact that the models are generic is evidence for them being meant to pass as any kind of legion.

It's a starter kit for those who want to give 30k a try and a boardgame for those who don't. Any allegiance of theirs is only paint deep.