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I agree that the perceived value for the DF KSs has been...diminishing. KS1 was almost irresistible, KS2 was still pretty great, KS3....was a tough call. I ended up going fairly heavy into it anyway. because damnit I just love the idea of having a tiny village.

And now I would love to have a castle to put in the middle of that village, but the sticker shock here is tough to overcome (especially since I realized after KS1 that pre-painted is the way to go - I still don't have all 5 KS1 sets totally finished). Worse, I don't love the look of these walls. They're a bit...flat, aren't they?

I assume there are going to be add-ons to jazz it up, so I'll wait and see what those look like. I just hate that we need to wait for them to be revealed, damnit.

The other thing I'm hoping to see are add-on packs in the theme of previous years. We need some more village pieces.

This is me being strong in the early days. I full expect to fold like a cheap suit halfway through.

I...I just realized that even their big sets do not come with battlements. Battlements are...extra?

I guess it looks a'ight when it's all put together, but still too rich for my blood.

One thing I do like that they make are their town road pieces with the cobblestones and sidewalks, but I think that would be out of my price range too since I'd need so much for just a 3x3 board, or even 2x2 for that matter. I keep telling myself I could build my own, I have the skills, it's just the time and new model ADD that would keep me from ever finishing it

 Fugazi wrote:
I...I just realized that even their big sets do not come with battlements. Battlements are...extra?

So I'm not the only one then.

Poor show indeed!

Nice looking, but impractical and terrible pricing.

No denying it is doing very well though. They must still have fans with deep pockets.

...I guess RPGers have...more money for stuff like this than miniature wargamers?!?

I'm just guessing of course, but still...ouch!

And yet, it will soon be at $500K on the first da of the campaign!!!

http://www.dwarvenforge.com/kickstarter-4-add-on-sets/
Added link to add-on sets in first post.

In my wild, lotto-winning dreams, I buy enough of these to build Krak des Chevaliers.

 BrookM wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:
I...I just realized that even their big sets do not come with battlements. Battlements are...extra?

So I'm not the only one then.

Poor show indeed!

Battlements were an add on for KS3, they pointedly didn't add them to the core tiers in recognizing that some of their backers wouldn't need them or see them as a detriment/waste of money.

KS3 stuff just hit their web store, so battlements can be bought and shipped *right now* if one wishes, and I figure/hope they'll end up as an add-on at some point in the campaign for those willing to both save on shipping and that are willing to wait a year.

 Alpharius wrote:
...I guess RPGers have...more money for stuff like this than miniature wargamers?!?

I'm just guessing of course, but still...ouch!

And yet, it will soon be at $500K on the first da of the campaign!!!

Ye gods, they're already at 836 backers for a total of $578,696 at this moment, making that an average of $692 per person.

 Forar wrote:
I figure/hope they'll end up as an add-on at some point in the campaign for those willing to both save on shipping and that are willing to wait a year.

And hopefully in appropriate distributions. For the Castle level, I'm counting a need for 14 straight battlements and 4 corner pieces. There's not a good way to get that number from the currently available sets (one is 12 straight pieces, one is 8 corners and 4 straights).

Dang... So expensive. and $100K between stretch goals (with the first being... a flag?!?) is a tough pill to swallow.

But Swallow I'm gonna... I'm in for the $410 painted castle. My excuse is that it'll be a playset for the boys. Until daddy needs it for... I'm not sure what for. I just want it.

Mountain cliff add-on set. I'm putting it in a spoiler tag because it's a giant image.

I would love to justify a Castle and a Watchtower, but with the hints they've dropped about LED pieces, I'm trying to show restraint in my tier to justify what I'll pick up in add ons. I love the braziers and the LED figure stands from KS3, so depending on what they have to offer this time, I could see myself going with just a Tower or Ramparts (I have battlements from KS3, so I could round that out with what I have on hand) and some add ons.

First I'll find out what I'm getting back from my tax return, and then we'll see about committing a financial mistake.

Edit: also, yeah, they often front-load some big stretch goals early on, when they're doing 50-100k+ in a day, and save some big ones for the end. They often swap in smaller goals in the middle when the funding trickles down considerably. Maybe it's just manipulating the numbers, but I've been happy with their rate of progression 3 campaigns in. I imagine we'll break 750k in a day or two, and by the time we make our way to 850k they'll have some other neat stuff lined up for us. This kind of 'lull' gives them a chance to get caught up/ahead of the game on graphics, pieces to meet demand, etc.

And if I'm not mistaken, this is their shortest campaign yet, so one way or another, we'll see what they have to offer in the next 3 weeks.

Wait.. how long has this been running now? I looked on the KS page and they're a lot closer to $1mil than I thought they would be with the pricepoints we're seeing..

It's also funny though.. that Dungeonstone's base sets are pretty much sold out..

These prices are just goofy. Pass.

Those cliffs look like they could work well with the caverns set, am I right?

I pledged big for the caverns but ended up selling it and breaking even... just couldn't justify that much money in modular tiles. I think it's prefect for RPGs, but as a wargamer it was actually Too modular for me. But if someone else has caverns I'd love to see the cliffs in use with them!

I got 2 sets from the Caverns KS, but I'm not sure I'll be getting the cliffs add on here. I agree they look fantastic, but I'm trying to keep my budget reasonable.

I figure between the dungeons, caverns, and city stuff I already have, a Ramparts or Tower would be nicely kitted out for some cool scenic moments, but unless I win the lottery I can't see myself getting a higher tier, especially if the add ons include some more awesome LED pieces and stuff like that.

I love and use DF but I just can't justify the cost of this castle. By the time I bought everything I would need to build what I wanted, I'd be divorced. After considerable consideration on both options, my wife won out. (not by much, cause I'm a castle nut)

I guess role players saved all the money they didn't spend on hundreds of miniatures to spend solely on this KS?

Peww i was in the first two dwarven forge Ks but the price have gone crazy

the winterdale Citadel comes much cheaper even if you include the price of a brand new 3d printer (like the prusa i3 or the XYZprinting da Vinci 1.0 ) !!!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/winterdale-2-medieval-fantasy-citadel-collection#/story



and i think the result is even better looking than the dwarven forge pieces if you don't mind having to paint it yourself

I was actually just thinking about that... you could buy a cheap printer for $500 or so and print as many castles as you want.

even that method is still too pricey for me, but I keep saving and saving (and then spending on something else new & shiney)

As a mediocre painter, being able to get the pieces pre-painted is in fact a big part of the appeal. The $50-100 or whatever extra that I spend on the tier and add ons being painted works out to maybe a dollar or two per hour for as good or better a job than I'd be able to do myself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are other options out there. I'm a fan of what DF does, but it's healthier for consumers to have multiple options that fit their needs.

And even with that said, based on Kicktraq numbers, I'm not the 'standard' backer, which is to say some of these guys/gals are *crazy*. I'll toss in a couple hundred to expand the collection a little, but some of them talk about getting thousands of dollars in stuff delivered to the tune of hundreds of pounds. It's definitely not for everyone, but the people it IS for are prone to occasionally going a bit overboard.

you could also just take a subscription in a Fablab and then just pay for the plastic

that will cost you less than 2 dollars per module



what you see in the picture cost me aproximatly 5 usd to print !!

and i think all you see on the group picture in my previous post must cost way less than 100 usd to print

May I ask what model 3d printer you used for those pieces in the photos?

That printed stuff is pretty impressive.

DF is too rich for my government employee salary unfortunately.

Steffbxl wrote:
you could also just take a subscription in a Fablab and then just pay for the plastic

that will cost you less than 2 dollars per module



what you see in the picture cost me aproximatly 5 usd to print !!

and i think all you see on the group picture in my previous post must cost way less than 100 usd to print

What was this printed on? I haven't seen a single consumer grade printer that is this good.

If that's been done at a Fablab it will be a university/research group grade printer, usually with a technicial who knows how to use if properly so all you need is appropriate files (and usually some cash either for a monthly/yearly subscription and material)

that's the beauty of the Fablab concept for those that can get access to one

have a look to see if there is one near you https://www.fablabs.io/

they all have different set of equipment/skills/charges etc

 Ken Oakley wrote:
I love and use DF but I just can't justify the cost of this castle. By the time I bought everything I would need to build what I wanted, I'd be divorced. After considerable consideration on both options, my wife won out. (not by much, cause I'm a castle nut)

We'll let her know that so you can get your castle pieces.

So how do the cliff pieces work (if you already have some game tiles)? Do you build something tall with the game tiles and use the cliff pieces on the exterior?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If that's been done at a Fablab it will be a university/research group grade printer, usually with a technicial who knows how to use if properly so all you need is appropriate files (and usually some cash either for a monthly/yearly subscription and material)

that's the beauty of the Fablab concept for those that can get access to one

have a look to see if there is one near you https://www.fablabs.io/

they all have different set of equipment/skills/charges etc

That seems pretty awesome. However, the closest to me is about an hour away. Think it's worth it?