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 Gamgee wrote:
If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?

It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.

Shouldn't be too hard to come up with new LOW's.

Eldars already have pretty good answer...

The primarches in 30k aren't all powerful "let's eat wraithknights for lunch" level guys. Tough yes but hardly one man armies.


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 Rygnan wrote:
That's not true still, as Forge World are doing their own pre heresy Magnus for 30k, and daemon Magnus is pretty obviously for 40k

Yes but I was reffering to wish that the daemonic primarch would be 30k release. That model is plastic so if that was FW release(which could btw still be 30k release since Magnus turned during HH. So just 'cause it's daemonic doesn't mean it couldn't be 30k release.

But since it's going to be plastic model it would be first plastic 30k release from FW if it is not 40k release.

I wonder if there will be multiple types of lord of change akin to the bloodthirster variants. That would be pretty sweet!

Kairos, I guess. Would be easy to add him. Or they could release two Lord of Change kits (one being Kairos - with another sprue- like they did with Skarbrand) and a Magnus kit.

 Gamgee wrote:
If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?

It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.

It's almost like Stormsurges have D weapons capable of blowing a Primarch away quite quickly.

Since we all know which faction you were talking about.

Exciting stuff!

tneva82 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
If the surviving Primarchs return what do we see the other factions getting as their answer? Do they direct answer and unleash primarch level people? Or do they have indirect matches so /monsters/suits/something to match a Primarch?

It's going to have to happen for the sake of balance and advancing the plot.

Shouldn't be too hard to come up with new LOW's.

Eldars already have pretty good answer...

The primarches in 30k aren't all powerful "let's eat wraithknights for lunch" level guys. Tough yes but hardly one man armies.


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 Rygnan wrote:
That's not true still, as Forge World are doing their own pre heresy Magnus for 30k, and daemon Magnus is pretty obviously for 40k

Yes but I was reffering to wish that the daemonic primarch would be 30k release. That model is plastic so if that was FW release(which could btw still be 30k release since Magnus turned during HH. So just 'cause it's daemonic doesn't mean it couldn't be 30k release.

But since it's going to be plastic model it would be first plastic 30k release from FW if it is not 40k release.

For the second time, it is not being made by Forge World designers. A Games Workshop designer, per Sad Panda, handled Magnus and the upcoming Lord of Change. Forge World will do their own pre-daemon Magnus - in fact, they are already working on it and it is a separate designer - and, possibly, a resin Daemon Primarch Magnus as well. The Daemon Primarch Magnus that is going to come out this year is NOT a Forge World model.
On that note, have Forge World ever actually made a plastic kit?

Other Question: Are they rewriting his fluff a bit, or are they gonna show off these new guys with red armour? Are they ditching the whole 'ahirminian and magnusite' TS plot?

Caederes wrote:

For the second time, it is not being made by Forge World designers. A Games Workshop designer, per Sad Panda, handled Magnus and the upcoming Lord of Change. Forge World will do their own pre-daemon Magnus - in fact, they are already working on it and it is a separate designer - and, possibly, a resin Daemon Primarch Magnus as well. The Daemon Primarch Magnus that is going to come out this year is NOT a Forge World model.
On that note, have Forge World ever actually made a plastic kit?

Yes I'm well aware of that. I'm trying to dispel hope of person here "please let it not be 40k primarch release but instead mistaken 30k release" idea touted earlier. Which for it to be happen would have to be first FW 30k release in plastic since it's going to be plastic model.

And by the way just because FW is making Magnus model pre-daemonhood doesn't preclude them doing daemon-Magnus...No reason whatsoever they can't release multiple versions of Primarch if they wish.

And no they haven't made plastic kit. THAT'S MY POINT! Guy wish "please let that plastic Magnus be 30k release rather than 40k release". I'm saying "for that to happen it would have to be first plastic release by HH".

 Brennonjw wrote:
New Lord of change and other plastic Chaos? Yes Please!

Magnus? Ehhhhhhhh, not so much. He's only come out to kick the wolves, ONCE. We've yet to see any (that I know of) Magnusite Thousand Sons come out, the only ones we see are ahriminian exiles, and knowing GW, he'll probably be a generic big bad, who gets beat at the last minute when Russ pops out of the warp, and everybody craps their collective power pants. Hopefully these rumors are 30k and 40k getting accidentally mixed (since book 7 is apparently set to launch at the tail end of this year, so I've been told, at least.)

You mean exactly like they did in Warhammer Fantasy where Archaon accomplished nothi..... waaaaaaaaaait a minute!

Now I'm not saying Magnus will be the lord of the end times, but GW has clearly shown that they're not afraid of letting an evil faction win some major battles.

From 30k to 40k

Magnus didn't realy changed after Demonhood.

Lets hope for a TS Codex, Sorcerers Circle and Cult Terminators.

Or even a Cult of Change book, like Khorne Daemonkin but with more blue and more mind bullets.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Or even a Cult of Change book, like Khorne Daemonkin but with more blue and more mind bullets.

Sad Panda said earlier this wouldn't be the case, as Khorne Daemonkin was a shoe-horned release to introduce the Bloodthirster. It would appear the Tzeentch release has been planned reliably for a while now.

A Campaign book most likely.

tneva82 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines

My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.

The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.

And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.

This is plastic demon Magnus though from 40k. The 30k Magnus will be resin from FW still.

 ImAGeek wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I hope not. Magnus 'aint a daemon in 30k yet, and the 30k upgrade kits look nothing like current rubric marines

My core issue is that they are doign Magnus, a primarch who SHOULD be absoultley broken by the fluff, but who should also have a story that is rather conflicted in loyalties (he hates tzeentch, him and his marines have only left the warp once since prospero, and it was to kick the wolves.) Is he suddenly going to be a generic tzeentchy DP? Will he be conflicted, as he should by the fluff? How are they going to do his character, without ruining it? Are they gonna have him get 'deus ex machina'd by russ? As for the rules, make him suitably unstoppable in the psychic phase, and your 60% of the way there.

The Magnus is plastic model. Ergo if this would be 30k release it would be plastic primarch. First for FW.

And Magnus got fluff of being outside warp besides Prospero in WD's back in the time.

This is plastic demon Magnus though from 40k. The 30k Magnus will be resin from FW still.

Not again...

Yes I know that. However I was answering to guy wishing it was mistaken 30k release. For that to be even possible it would have to be first plastic from FW.

Also technically speaking FW making resin pre-daemonhood Magnus doesn't exclude them from making daemon version as well. Technically nothing stops them from doing it in plastic either. Would be first for them though.

So for the wish "please be 30k release mistaken for 40k release" it would require the release for some reason be first FW plastic. So in short "don't hold your breath hoping for that"

Yeah sorry I forgot to refresh before replying.

Exciting! I've stopped playing my Daemons (dislike the playstyle) but I still have some CSM models and would be interested in adding some updated Tzeentch there if it's any good. Sounds like a bit of a wait though.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Think Magnus will be able to solo Knights, Titans and GMCs?

Sure. All for the low low price of 999 pts.

Caederes wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.

Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?

Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.

You know what's better than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic havocs. So, you know, CSM can have heavy weapons finally.

You know what's worse than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic Magnus the Red in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times. I got into 40k because I liked the setting. And I continue to like the setting despite the GW's very best efforts over the past decade to screw it up. Luckily there has been an inbuilt inertia to the thing that has prevented them from doing anything drastic. Until now.

Plastic Thousand Sons sound great. I just hope that they don't kill my interest in them by ruining the setting with boneheaded plot advancement in the meantime.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.

Have an exalt. That one never gets old.

Caederes wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
This sounds absolutely horrible. I for one don't need plastic Magnus and timeline advancement - plastic autocannons would suffice thank you. We're going to rely on the folks who brought us Draigo, newcrons, Dreadknights, Centurions and Age of fething Sigmar not to screw this up? Pete Haines help us. Pete Haines help us all.

Seriously? You're complaining that they are releasing a Daemon Primarch - something we haven't seen in model-form in decades - for a faction (Chaos, specifically Tzeentch) that has been woefully under-represented up until the Silver Tower release? You're complaining that we are going to get a model in plastic that no one surely ever expected to get, a model that will instantly stand out from nearly any other release done in the past half a decade? You're complaining that the story is evolving in a definitive way that could open up limitless new possibilities for the setting and its associated model releases (Magnus)? You're complaining simply because you're worried they're going to screw up a release before you have any idea as to the quality of said release?

Seriously. Can hobbyists ever be pleased by anything? Welp, I guess a *plastic Daemon Primarch*, plastic Rubric Marines and plastic Thousand Sons doesn't constitute any tentative excitement at all, just instant negativity. It doesn't matter that we've never seen plastic Thousand Sons of any kind or a plastic Daemon Primarch, or heck, updated models for Thousand Sons (including Magnus) in over a decade barring the 30K-specific Forge World upgrade sets. Nope.

Yes, I know, shocking isn't it. Some people have the capacity to form tentative views about things based on the prior quality of output and behaviour of the people making those things, it's madness I tell you, MADNESS! Not to mention this horrifying idea of disagreeing with your opinion! What is this, Communist Russia?! People who prefer 40K as the game the rules were designed to support rather than the creaking, straining, groaning, barely functional clusterhump of formations, fliers, and superheavies it's become are just obviously insane, there's no other possible reason they could hold an opinion not 100% in concordance with yours, oh Great Caederes, Most High Arbiter of The Hobby

Myself, I'm looking forward to seeing plastic Rubrics, the present aesthetic direction and quality of infantry plastics makes it a reasonably safe bet that they'll be nice. Magnus though, makes me despair - Daemon Primarchs can take on Titans, the only time I can even conceive of them appearing in 40K without them being being laughably overpowered or completely neutered is in some monstrous 20k points a side event game. The idea of running into a Daemon-bloody-Primarch with a demi-Company of Marines or a Guard Veteran Company(ie, a normal game of 40K) and having any chance whatsoever of victory is either hilarious, sad, or both. Crikey Magnus should be capable of wiping your average 40K army off the board with a psychic gesture, this guy was the embodiment of the Emperor's psychic potential and that was before he became a daemonic sorcerer infused with the power of a Chaos god; the concept of Captain Cludge, Goober Marines 3rd Company Captain and his demi-Company formation causing Magnus any more trouble than flicking a bit of lint off his robes is farcical.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:


You know what's worse than plastic Magnus the Red? Plastic Magnus the Red in Warhammer 40,000: The End Times. I got into 40k because I liked the setting. And I continue to like the setting despite the GW's very best efforts over the past decade to screw it up. Luckily there has been an inbuilt inertia to the thing that has prevented them from doing anything drastic. Until now.

Plastic Thousand Sons sound great. I just hope that they don't kill my interest in them by ruining the setting with boneheaded plot advancement in the meantime.

Hmm, seems I'm not the only one left who actually likes 40K for what it is afterall

In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.

 Azreal13 wrote:
In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.

Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind

Sad Panda wrote:
Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.

There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.

I feel like this got kind of glossed over.

More Deathwatch! Are we gonna see Deathwatch Scouts? Kill Marines? Dreadnoughts?

What secrets do you still guard, Sad Panda! How bad is my wallet going to hurt for Deathwatch?!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
In defence of that concept, the Ahriman BL series does outline a plausible reason (for 40K) why a daemon Magnus could be present on a battlefield and not just pull off a hand wave victory.

Could you spoiler tag that reason? Because to work often enough as an excuse for seeing Magnus on as regular a basis as a Knight it would have to be Handwavium of a purity never before seen by mankind

To be fair, it's always been an issue with this whole "X shouldn't be as common on the battlefield as it is" when it comes down to the players.

Players want to use the cool rare stuff, not the crummy common stuff.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.

I see that combo kit idea as a more realistic plan than two separate expensive one per player kits. The flip side though is that they came out with two bloodthirster kits (one named and the other not IIRC) a year or two ago.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it's a combo Magnus/LoC kit. Ultimately a kit with 2 builds has a lot going for it.

Seems more plausible that there will be 3 variants of the Lord of Change, ala the Khorne Bloodthirster kit.

 Gamgee wrote:
This.... is a big shake up in the lore. How much do you want to bet Tau and all the other factions are on the brink of massive change?

I can't wait to see what happens to advance the Necrons and Dark Eldar. I had that crazy theory we'll see Slaanesh be defeated. Let's see if I'm right.

Don't know much about the DE, but my money is on a Silent King model for the Necrons. I would give him rules along the lines of "all Necron infantry within 18" of The Silent King gain Zealot".

All this talk about Thousand Sons? The Blood Ravens receiving an official model in DW:O? A new Dawn of War game later this yeah? I'm really thinking there is an excellent opportunity for some cross-promotion with a Codex: Blood Ravens.

If we get good plastic TS, I am probably headed for divorce. Or selling drugs on the side. I will have to have a box as long as they are not too garish.

I understand Tzeentch is the favored of the gods by GW but crikey, it is my understanding that Nurgle is on par as far as CSM players that I have encountered on the internetz. What is the likely hood of seeing Mortarion or Nurgle making an appearance in Warzone Fenris?