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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


...but what does it meanN?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

It means that GW will photograph the old models, i.e. it means no new SoB models for the foreseeable future, and as far as I can tell is unrelated to Warzone Fenris yet. Maybe they will be in it, maybe they will be somewhere else.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The whole sacred numbers as a point cost thing pretty much ruined FW's named greater daemons and the GW Khorne Lawn Mower... Why is something that is fictionally beneficial such a point bloated disadvantage? IF it's something GW wants to insist on maybe just make it the overall point cost of some fixed formation of Magnus and his closest sorcerers.

I honestly don't have a problem with the bloated "fluffy" sacred number points IF the units were actually worth the points. So far, NONE of the sacred number SH units for FW or 40K GW standard have stacked up to their far less expensive counterparts. The Khorne-mower would be fine as a super heavy that costs 888 points....if it was almost 3 times as capable and durable as a Imperial Knight or Wraithknight, which it clearly is not. Big SH/GMC models SHOULD be absurdly expensive because a daemon lord or primarch shouldn't be present except for the larger battles. Super heavy units in 40K standard is not the problem, CHEAP super heavy units in standard 40K is.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

If they were getting a model update why would they need to photograph the existing metal studio minis?

Indeed. Most likely, they're just going to appear as the hapless victims in some Visions photos or BatRep.


Y'know, like every other time they've been missing from the case.


Y'know, cause GW loves having the majority female faction play the damsel in distress martyrs.

I'm seriously waiting for them to release a new unit that features Sisters chained to their stoves!

Seriously, I actually find it depressing how GW cant force themself to make a single human female (yeah, ok, there actually is a female assasin, still)

Maybe they took them to do before and after shots...right guys!?

Nah I believe they will update them eventually, cant not believe it after genestealer cults. Just a matter of when I reckon.

Anyway, I hope the Rubrics come along with a new Tzeentch unit/monster...and a codex *cough* *cough*

Hmmm...Sisters of Battle went for a campaign, heh?

Maybe at last, we will have a book with the Adepta Sororitas special detachment, formations and added rules like we did for Cadians in the Mont'ka campaign book.

Hope is not lost, my Sisters!

I hope the rubrics get twin linked bolt weapons and the ability to take two heavy bolters with inferno bolts per every 5 tsons. Also I hope they give them access to the tzeentch daemon psychic table, and let them reroll saving throws of one. Give them the daemon of tzeentch rule. Aspiring sorceror gets free boon of mutation. Could let the tsons forgo their shooting to give the sorceror +1 warp charge and the ability to cast a power like vortex.

they already have SnP, right?

That still wouldn't get me to pick up sisters again. They need new models. Until they do that, that factions is pretty much dead to me. At least with CSM, as much as I'd like new sculpts/kits, they can get away with a new codex/formations and what have you.

The last campaign that had images of the Sisters models in it was Shield of Ball. Maybe they are doing a follow up to that?

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh please GW pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase give us new sisters. I have never wanted a faction update this badly, aside from new Templar kits and true codex of course.

If they were getting a model update why would they need to photograph the existing metal studio minis?

Indeed. Most likely, they're just going to appear as the hapless victims in some Visions photos or BatRep.


Y'know, like every other time they've been missing from the case.


Y'know, cause GW loves having the majority female faction play the damsel in distress martyrs.

I'm seriously waiting for them to release a new unit that features Sisters chained to their stoves!

Aren't we being a little overly dramatic here?

I will admit Sisters got screwed hard ;P. Seriously though i feel bad for them. I kind of feel like GW should've 'squatted' them a long time ago though. At this point there's just too many super faithful, ridiculously hopeful (or not) players that want an updated army and they're honestly probably never gonna get it. At this point Sisters need a 5th edition Dark Eldar makeover (because those ladies are now hideous though probably not dog-faced skaven hideous). A friend showed me some models in 'toughest girls of the galaxy' or something and i'm shocked how much better they do Sisters than GW does. At this point if GW axed Sisters it'd be yet another addition to the Fantasy players they already miffed when GW killed that game (and that was my primary game and i didn't play daemons so i couldn't just switch over).

Also guys be realistic. Chaos marines aren't going anywhere. The worst GW would do is to throw them in the vanilla codex or something and make them evil marines. That is the absolute worst. They are a main army. Sisters of battle however are sadly not and it probably wouldn't take much for GW to squat em or make them into a supplement force like militarum tempestus or mechanicus. All that said Tau get way too much attention for having less than 1% of the galaxy to themselves. It's a little ridiculous how they're even a threat at all with no warp travel or similar. Seriously they're not going to take much space that way. The imperium could easily out-travel them in space as could most factions. Realistically Tau should be a supplement faction but they're a top tier main army. Go figure.

As far as the topic is concerned i'm rooting for Thousand Sons even if they lose. Russ just seemed like a jerk from what little i knew of him. Sorry i don't follow the stories too much. Manly pre-pubescent man-boys in power armor doesn't make for compelling story to me.

Russ just seemed like a jerk from what little i knew of him. Sorry i don't follow the stories too much. Manly pre-pubescent man-boys in power armor doesn't make for compelling story to me.

Actually, he was a pretty nice guy. He just was as subtile and smart as a fenrisian tree.....

Sisters: They would deserve a real codex and a new model-line. I would start them, just because:
Imperator lo vult!

And CSM are in need of a new codex too. As well as Tyranids and Astra Milithingy. Glueing formations and unit-entrys on that unholy mess is no real solution.

Russ was literally a dog. Friendly, nice, and cared for those who he liked and trusted, but a snarling demon for those who threatened or betrayed his master.

We know the Wolves will keep Fenris, unless GW does some crazy twist.

Of course, none of us were expecting Magnus in plastic...

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
All that said Tau get way too much attention for having less than 1% of the galaxy to themselves.

There are more Tau in the galaxy than Space Marines. If you wanted to Squat anyone based on how "insignificant" they are on the galactic scale, then Space Marines would have to be the first to go, definitely.

And I like Sisters, probably more than most people do, and would really like to see them get a huge update and receive the same level of support that every other "main" faction does, but that support doesn't need to come at the cost of another faction. We don't need to remove factions to somehow "make room" for new ones. And if you really want to argue that the game is bloated with factions then all one needs to do is go and observe how literally half the armies in the game are just Marine variants, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what needs to be done to "make room" for Sisters if that's the case. Fold all the Marines into one fething book and then we have tons of room left for more, actually interesting armies to put on the table.

Except that Marines aren't insignificant on a galactic scale. Some of the largest battles in human history have been won on the backs of the Marines. There's nothing insignificant about them.

The Tau on the other hand...


Anyway, I think we're rapidly approaching the "Pics or GTFO" portion of this thread. Without any real info (plastic Magnus? Come on...) this thread serves no real purpose.

Indeed.

Sure as/when... if... there's any actual info someone will sing up.

Going to move this to 40k gen for further discussion.


Should be a new thread in news/rumours as/when there's new info.

Well, I will definitely have a new army to start if this turns out to be true.

Thanks, Reds8n

The sources are reliable, and who would have imagined Genestealer Cults, Warhammer Quest making a return? And they did after getting rumored by the same people.

40k is getting 30, so they could have a lot of cool stuff in the pipeline for it.

And will Dark Angels and Grey Knights join forces with the Space Wolves against the Chaos forces later on?

Wulfen in WZF I, Thousand Sons to rumored in WZF II. With a fully painted studio Craftworld Ulthwe army appearing in the last Codex and Warhammer Visions lately will they take part in WZF as well? It doesnt have to mean new models but as part of the storyline and missions maybe?

Atia on B&C

Howdy Guys and Girls

A white raven appeared today and brought me a message - winter is coming ...

Warhammer 40k turns 30 years old next year. The new edition is due. The clock will be taken from 5 minutes to midnight to 1 minute to midnight with the return of the Daemonprimarchs - or will they return alone? This is the theme of the new setting - think along the lines of 13th Black Crusade - but this time, it's serious. They want to get the same excitement as the community had during the End Times - without actually going as far as Age of Sigmar did.

Chaos fans - this is your hour. Stop beeing grudgy, there will be lots of love for all of you - renegades, former legions, daemon lovers.

The lore already start to unfold, with the Shield of Baal and Warzone Fenris - so we are already within the action. As usual, this is a bit of an early talk, so stay cool and take it with a tiny bit of salt.

Thedarkprincesnun, on 27 Jun 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

Will this coincide with a new csm codex by any chance

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming/

Everybody's inner heretic just went:

Might be time to re-boot my Black Legion...

So basically I was right. This was all leading up to a big event. Not based on any one source but my speculation and evidence that they have dropped here and there in already published material.

Looking forward to blasting some Chaos Primarchs with my Ta'unar. The Danger Zero will answer the call.

I really want to see the new Chaos stuff. Muahah! What few people know is that I have a big respect for Tzeentch.

It would be fun to see the fluff put the Imperium on the backfoot in a big way. Also, if Chaos became big/powerful enough it's one of the few forces which could get everyone (outside of Nids...and maybe Orks) to unite against them, etc.

Eh, will see.

So it looks like some sort of new super Black Crusade is coming....

I think it's inevitable we'll see resurgence of all the typical enemies of the IoM. Looking forward to the Nids update. You know they're going to get some GMG's. The Hive mind angered with the resistance in the east by the IoM and Tau will no doubt have to cook up something terrifying.

I also still think the Eldar/Dark Eldar/All Eldar are plotting something relating with the Chaos Gods. They might be trying to kill/replace Slaanesh with their own Eldar god of death or something along those lines.

Now two things could happen if that occurs. It backfires and they add a 5th chaos god into the universe who hates them. Or they succeed enough that their race is resurgent. My bet is on option 1 or something suitable dark.

I think it's almost assured the gates of the Dark City will be breached and taken over by Chaos.

The Damocles Gulf is likely going to open up into a full blown warp rift (thanks AdMech -_- ).

That is all I can say I'm familiar enough to speculate about. It's evident the primarchs are returning (the ones alive).

Oh man, I can only hope that this is real. and that GW will do the legions (and others) justice. Give me good yet fluffy Iron warriors and my wallet is done for.

I hope that we see more from Warzone: Damocles and Shield of Baal. Specifically, the Tyranids reach the Baal System and the Khorne Daemons(more Khorne Daemonkin please!) led by Ka'banda attack at the same time. Not sure where they could go with Warzone Damocles.

Any chance of SoB's/witch hunters getting some love in this new and super duper 1 minute till midnight setting!? I mean if there was ever a time for needing to kill heretics in droves, this sounds like it!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I hope that we see more from Warzone: Damocles and Shield of Baal. Specifically, the Tyranids reach the Baal System and the Khorne Daemons(more Khorne Daemonkin please!) led by Ka'banda attack at the same time. Not sure where they could go with Warzone Damocles.

I have a few ideas, but first to organize my thoughts on text.

The Tau successfully predicted the emergence of warp ships and now know gravity fields affect their ability to enter an area. A fleet was destroyed as it exited the warp and the Tau fleet that did it detected strange energy readings from the "holes" the ships came through. They sent a science ship to investigate that had heaps of new information and data that never returned to any civilized port and as of the two books is unaccounted for.

The strange energies of the now burning damocles gulf seem to mimic or be pre-symptomatic to a full warp rift. At least that's the gist I got from the book.

The Tau are more or less cut off from expanding west barring some sort of technological invention. However there is still a huge chunk of the Tau army on the western side. We know there is an upcoming FW Tau vs IoM book that rumor has it will tie into the narrative of the Tau. It's quite likely they will attack the FW that is near the front lines. It's likely they want to find the technology responsible for all of this. I have a suspicion that the weapon used was warp based or had warp effects due to its ability to expand and burn the entire cluster of gas that was hard to navigate.

The Tau weather control plotline needs to be resolved or something. They were able to control raging weather and storms so that it was a raging rad storm a few meters form a sunny day. They used this in both books and its kinda confusing the hell out of me. I mean it could just be author fiat but it's also never been used before in any other Tau lore or fluff and is barely explained. I would even go so far as to use the words mysterious.

The Farsight Enclaves are fighting off an unexpected Tyranid hive fleet.

There are lots of prophecies of Farsight being some sort of chosen one, but I will admit he could be getting manipulated by Chaos. It is assumed a Grey Knight helped and is helping him decipher his future and be ready for it, but the grey knight could be an impostor. I find that less likely but it is a small possibility so feel I should mention it.

Sad Panda said that the Tau was the very tip of the start to this new change in the background lore. So all the hints are here we just have to decipher what they mean.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Thedarkprincesnun, on 27 Jun 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:
Will this coincide with a new csm codex by any chance

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming/

About time. Especially for a campaign CSM need to be fixed to be a viable threat. A new codex combined with a number of campaign books certainly points to Chaos Marines getting the full treatment with all the flavor and distinctiveness of the major sub-factions.

I mean, I know massive fluff changes are coming, but got I hope they don't retcon too much more. Then again: I play 30k, so so long as the system doesn't shoot itself in the foot (coughAOScough) whatevs. Here's to Deus Ex WolfenRuss taking out Magnus (who, knowing GW, will be devoid of all of his fun character) at the last minute :(

Given the new information from Atia I think I smell HERESY! I get the feeling the IoM and Tau have been goaded into fighting each other. They are now softened up badly in the region with the Tau and so are the Tau. We see the first signs of Tau warp research which I think can only end in disaster. Not only this but the book said it was weather control satellites but I don't think so. I have a feeling the Tau were using secret psykers.

I got a feeling someone is pulling the strings of the Tau and IoM in the gulf and that would be chaos related. Even the admiral of the fleet was hesitant to use the weapon the "tech priests" used on the planet that also wiped out his own soldiers and men and then ignited the region into a pre warp rift. Sounds more like a bunch of hereteks to me. Regular exterminatus would have sufficed without drawing on such strange weaponry.

So now the two forces are weak and there is a warp rift. And we know the time of Chaos is coming.

I think its a safe bet the Tau and much of the IoM is infiltrated on a grand scale.