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Read again Warboss. I said the rules for his detachment are all in one book. Not the rules to play the entire army are.

***My Bad, edited for the correct person because I can't read either *****

 Hulksmash wrote:
Read again Kan. I said the rules for his detachment are all in one book. Not the rules to play the entire army are.

I think you're meaning to reply to Warboss?

Its nice they are putting all the formations into one book, ork codex+ghaz book + 2 sanctus reach books = too many damn books to carry around. However given the posted bit about what it includes, it does not include all the formations from sanctus reach. iirc there was more than 3 total between the two books, with the first book having 2 and the second having 3 or 4.

1st book- Gorkanaut krushin crew, mogroks boss boyz
2nd book- Grukks goff killmob, wingnutz sky armada, baddrukks flash gitz

that's 5 right there...not 3. doesn't seem like a replacement for the sanctus reach books afterall. not that those formations really see much use anyways I guess.

I am guessing the 'getting started' formation will have one bonus.

I would love for it to be all the units can join into one unit would make the deff dread very worthwhile.

However it will probably be something like - as long as the deffdread is alive boys within 12" are fearless or stubborn, as long as the nobz are alive all models within 12" from formation can re-roll one hit on the first turn of assault.

I also expect there to be no ork-curion.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Read again Kan. I said the rules for his detachment are all in one book. Not the rules to play the entire army are.

True, but in either case you are still required to have two books . If FS Enclaves is only a copy past of the Decurion & formations from Montka + relevant Kaunyon formations then it does feel like a wasted opportunity. No reason for me to spend my cash on it. I feel the same way with the Kauyan book which would have been better served with alternative Tau Decurions, Traits, and Relics or at least alternative core and headquarter choices for Tau Empire one...though at least with Kaunyon you got some fortification data slates.

To be honest, I don't understand all the rage regarding Tau getting another rehashed book plus a plastic ethereal. When it comes down to it, Tau got 5 new plastic kits plus a fortification set, a base codex, and a supplement in Montka. Kaunyon was more of a space marine supplement as they largely rehashed the Tau Empire Codex. That's in line with most other 6th and 7th edition releases.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Read again Warboss. I said the rules for his detachment are all in one book. Not the rules to play the entire army are.

***My Bad, edited for the correct person because I can't read either *****

I can read just fine but I'm simply trying to correct your misconception bolded below whereas you're only focused on the first part:

 Hulksmash wrote:
It is nice though that the rules for the actual Decurion for Farsight will be all in one book either way. Since you had to use both Kauyon and Mont'ka to build the Mont'ka contingent.

It's not correct to say you "had to use both Kauyon and Mont'ka to build the Mont'ka contingent" once the 2015 Tau codex came out. The rules in Kauyon that were needed for the decurion were repeated in the codex so you just needed the codex and Mont'ka rules.

Aw, and here I went and bought a Grukk for $20 a few weeks ago.
Welp, at least I have no reason to get him now, and effectively saved $30.
Unless of course GW does actually slip a nice ORKurion in to the book that requires Nobz. And lots of em.

Ooo, Red Scorpions? I wonder if that means the new Imperial Armour book will be coming out? Hoping against hope that they bring out a new Barracuda for Tau.

 Jadenim wrote:
Ooo, Red Scorpions? I wonder if that means the new Imperial Armour book will be coming out? Hoping against hope that they bring out a new Barracuda for Tau.

No. It's nothing to do with that IA book. It's just someone's army.

Hmm, whenever I see a Space Marine chapter with a color in it's name, I expect their armor (or at least part of it) to be that color. Black Templars, Crimson Fists.

It's a good looking paint scheme, but the Red Scorpions just don't look like Red Scorpions to me.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Hmm, whenever I see a Space Marine chapter with a color in it's name, I expect their armor (or at least part of it) to be that color. Black Templars, Crimson Fists.

It's a good looking paint scheme, but the Red Scorpions just don't look like Red Scorpions to me.

The scorpion in their Chapter heraldry is red, hence the name.

Yes I know but it still feels... wrong. I read the name and my brain instantly conjures up images of red Space Marines.

Dunno, it's probably just me.

gungo wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Translation:

-"formation sheets"
- 3 of them are from Red Waagh/Hour of the Wolf
- also 3 new ones
- 9 missions (6 Echoes of War, 3 Altar of War missions - probably not new)
- 80 pages
- english only
- Hardcover

Hopefully all the ork formations from Sanctus reach and hour of the wolf are included since there are at least 9 of them and an 10th holiday one and freebooter King datasheet. However the really competitive one was mogroks boss boyz.

Where was the freebooter king one from?

And is there any way to get the Xmas one now?

Were they in WD?

The BoK compendium is pretty good and these are not in there:

http://bloodofkittens.com/formation-compendium-2/

Ork Warband
Council of Waaagh!
Ghazghkull’s Bullyboyz
Da Vulcha Skwad
Blitz Brigade
Dread Mob
Boss Snikrot’s Red Skull Kommandos
Green Tide
Gorkanaut Krushin’ Krew
Mogrok’s Bossboyz
Grukk’s Rippin’ Krew
Skyboss Wingnutz Air Armada
Grukk’s Goff Killermob
Kaptin Badrukk’s Flash Gitz

There was also Heroes of Sanctus Reach, a free PDF booklet with a uniqe Freebooter unit. The unit leader has a AP1 Snazzgun (Get's hot).

Google search for 'heroes of sanctus reach pdf' and you should find it.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yes I know but it still feels... wrong. I read the name and my brain instantly conjures up images of red Space Marines.

Dunno, it's probably just me.

That's what I like about them personally. I always do a double-take when I see their color scheme.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Were they in WD?

The BoK compendium is pretty good and these are not in there:

http://bloodofkittens.com/formation-compendium-2/

Ork Warband
Council of Waaagh!
Ghazghkull’s Bullyboyz
Da Vulcha Skwad
Blitz Brigade
Dread Mob
Boss Snikrot’s Red Skull Kommandos
Green Tide
Gorkanaut Krushin’ Krew
Mogrok’s Bossboyz
Grukk’s Rippin’ Krew
Skyboss Wingnutz Air Armada
Grukk’s Goff Killermob
Kaptin Badrukk’s Flash Gitz

There was also Heroes of Sanctus Reach, a free PDF booklet with a uniqe Freebooter unit. The unit leader has a AP1 Snazzgun (Get's hot).

Google search for 'heroes of sanctus reach pdf' and you should find it.

The "Badrukks Flash Gitz" unit from Heroes of _Sanctus reach might be worth the extra ten points. Leadership 8 on Grogg is pretty good for an ork unit and constant ap1 as well. With the ammo runts and two wounds there's ways around the gets hot results.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Ooo, Red Scorpions? I wonder if that means the new Imperial Armour book will be coming out? Hoping against hope that they bring out a new Barracuda for Tau.

No. It's nothing to do with that IA book. It's just someone's army.

Dang it!

This is getting out of hand. It's getting really hard to keep up with all the books. If you want all the formations etc for a particular army you need so much stuff!

Codex
Codex supplement
Campaign book(s)
Various dataslates
Start collecting formation
White Dwarf formations and datasheets

I miss the days of just needing the codex.

 wyomingfox wrote:
To be honest, I don't understand all the rage regarding Tau getting another rehashed book plus a plastic ethereal. When it comes down to it, Tau got 5 new plastic kits plus a fortification set, a base codex, and a supplement in Montka. Kaunyon was more of a space marine supplement as they largely rehashed the Tau Empire Codex. That's in line with most other 6th and 7th edition releases.

Because everyone* hates Tau, that's why. They weren't "supposed" to be introduced into the game in the first place, and they weren't "allowed" to get updated at all, let alone receive an update on-par with Space Marines or any other popular army.

*Even though Tau are apparently one of GW's most popular and best-selling armies, or they wouldn't keep receiving all the attention.

I dunno if Gamgee is posting here, but man, you were right about the Farsight release. I'll eat this crow here.

Death to Tau.

*ahem*

The Commander Box seems like a good idea to me. I wanted that Ethereal, and I didn't like the spread of minis he came with. The idea of putting him in a box with the new Commander Suit seems perfectly reasonable.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yes I know but it still feels... wrong. I read the name and my brain instantly conjures up images of red Space Marines.

Dunno, it's probably just me.

Thought about it too. Guess it's in line with the nicknames of modern forces/units - and there are indeed scorpions with those chapter colours (like this guy - it has a red sting at least). We should be glad they don't follow the example of the Space Wolves...

Brokk wrote:

The "Badrukks Flash Gitz" unit from Heroes of _Sanctus reach might be worth the extra ten points. Leadership 8 on Grogg is pretty good for an ork unit and constant ap1 as well. With the ammo runts and two wounds there's ways around the gets hot results.

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know about it.

Perfect timing for a ork starter collection to be released! that was the next army I wanted to play!

 Captain_Control wrote:
Perfect timing for a ork starter collection to be released! that was the next army I wanted to play!

My only advice as an Ork player right now is wait for the next codex before you play a game. It's a *fun army, but you wont be winning many games unless your local meta is "all fluff, all the time".

This doesn't mean don't build an Ork army, they are, in my opinion, the most fun to build and paint, but damn if it's not frustrating to be shot off the board top of round two and having to put away 200 models before they did anything.

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Brokk wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Were they in WD?

The BoK compendium is pretty good and these are not in there:

http://bloodofkittens.com/formation-compendium-2/

Ork Warband
Council of Waaagh!
Ghazghkull’s Bullyboyz
Da Vulcha Skwad
Blitz Brigade
Dread Mob
Boss Snikrot’s Red Skull Kommandos
Green Tide
Gorkanaut Krushin’ Krew
Mogrok’s Bossboyz
Grukk’s Rippin’ Krew
Skyboss Wingnutz Air Armada
Grukk’s Goff Killermob
Kaptin Badrukk’s Flash Gitz

There was also Heroes of Sanctus Reach, a free PDF booklet with a uniqe Freebooter unit. The unit leader has a AP1 Snazzgun (Get's hot).

Google search for 'heroes of sanctus reach pdf' and you should find it.

The "Badrukks Flash Gitz" unit from Heroes of _Sanctus reach might be worth the extra ten points. Leadership 8 on Grogg is pretty good for an ork unit and constant ap1 as well. With the ammo runts and two wounds there's ways around the gets hot results.

Thanks for the tip!

Badrukk's Flashgits Formation is pricey - but really neat.

Giving every Flashgit master crafted makes for some fun shooting.

stormboy wrote:
Badrukk's Flashgits Formation is pricey - but really neat.

Giving every Flashgit master crafted makes for some fun shooting.

Dis gun has moar dakka becuz I paid more teef for it. Me old snazz gun only fired ten bullits when I pulled da trigga, but I had da Mek boyz make me won dat goes up to eleven, see? Har har har

 Cleatus wrote:

stormboy wrote:
Badrukk's Flashgits Formation is pricey - but really neat.

Giving every Flashgit master crafted makes for some fun shooting.

Dis gun has moar dakka becuz I paid more teef for it. Me old snazz gun only fired ten bullits when I pulled da trigga, but I had da Mek boyz make me won dat goes up to eleven, see? Har har har

I never realized how much Spinal Tap is like a mob of Orks till now. Thank you for this gift.

stormboy wrote:
Badrukk's Flashgits Formation is pricey - but really neat.

Giving every Flashgit master crafted makes for some fun shooting.

Its fun until you actually try to properly resolve the shooting. Twenty assault 3 master crafted weapons firing requires each weapon to be rolled separately so you can properly reroll 1 of the shots from each gun. A gentlenob'z agreement would be allow for 20 rerolls as it saves times for all parties involved.

 matphat wrote:

 Captain_Control wrote:
Perfect timing for a ork starter collection to be released! that was the next army I wanted to play!

My only advice as an Ork player right now is wait for the next codex before you play a game. It's a *fun army, but you wont be winning many games unless your local meta is "all fluff, all the time".

This doesn't mean don't build an Ork army, they are, in my opinion, the most fun to build and paint, but damn if it's not frustrating to be shot off the board top of round two and having to put away 200 models before they did anything.

I

I wouldn't go that far. I still play Orks and have a blast, and almost tabled a Necron player to boot. You just have to know what is good and what's total trash, as well as make few mistakes, as Orks are very unforgiving.