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"Prophet of Da WAAAAGH!"

its his warlord trait. Assuming they dont change that to no longer grant fearless and do something else instead (auto rally akin to atsknf if fleeing, not fearless, which would suck ass)

Mad Dok+Ghaz+MegaBoss with lukky stikk+MANz anyone?

 Oguhmek wrote:
So if you don't want to play Goffs and/or walkers you're gak out of luck then?

Meh.

Nothin says your guys have to painted goffs, but if you didn't want to run walkers you can do warbands....and that is just horible when I say it out loud.
I'm sorry, but until I get more info then what has been said about the orkurian then I am extremely disapoint.

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 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ghaz better get a redo on his stats/rules or a severe price reduction. 2x that of a Warboss in MA and Stikk, insanely weaker because of no Stikk.

Dude if ghaz is able to be a warlord in the decorian he is bad arse.

2+ invul on every turn except turn 1. And 5+ fnp and eternal warrior.
All MAN can run and charge in his unit
All Orks are fearless

Where in ghaz profile does it say orks can be fearless.

His warlord trait is automatically prophet of waaagh! Which means all models with ere we go are fearless

Hey, atleast Ghaz is officially the best non SH/GC LoW . Making everything fearless for every turn post t2, having a 2+ invuln, letting MANz run. Sounds like a party to me .

 Vineheart01 wrote:
"Prophet of Da WAAAAGH!"

its his warlord trait. Assuming they dont change that to no longer grant fearless and do something else instead (auto rally akin to atsknf if fleeing, not fearless, which would suck ass)

Didn't see that, got confused and was only looking at his special ability.

so no rumors on new units? odd. I mean orks technically already have 2 LoW but Ghazzy shouldnt be one and the stompa is way too expensive. Sorta expecting the naut's to shift over.

though i'd rather them just get the damage chart perks that supers get (immune to everything, only D3 damage instead of flat out dead on explode) than become supers themselves. They arent big enough to only field 1 of in my eyes, or nasty enough.

Bear in mind he has to be taken in his formation that includes 2 other warbosses, a nob unit, a big mek, and mad doc grotsnik. So he doesn't come cheap.

Oh holy crap he has to take the Council to be included?

....wow...there goes 1000pts right there. that formation is insanely expensive. Which is my beef with most of the ork formations, too big for minimum rquirements.

Again, someone needs to see if they can fit his formation, a core and the bully boyz in to 1850.

Goff core
Warlord
5 nobs
3x 10 boyz squads
3x killa kans
2x deff dreads
1x mork or gorkanaut

Ghaz
Mad doc
Big Mek
2x warlord
5x nobs

Add upgrades, bikes, guns, Mega armour as you see fit. Hope ITC stays 1650 because 1500 will be tight fit.

Thanks, Hulksmash, these are some welcome additions to the Ork Codex. Small ones. But better than nothing

 Hulksmash wrote:
Decurion is included. Core is the Goff kill mob and warband formations. Waaagh every turn and if you have more than 10 models when you start a charge you get hammer of wrath.

What is the warbands formation like? What's it's requirements and it's bonuses.
If it has stayed them same then the orkurian just neutralized the pathetic bonuses it had....making it completely useless as an orkurian core. A decurian is supposed to give bonus rules to the formations in it, not make them obsolete.
But if they changed the warbands then their might be a chance it would be used.

Most major tournies are 1850, so this probably works. The question is, with MSUing it can you fit bully boyz in...

 Oguhmek wrote:
So if you don't want to play Goffs and/or walkers you're gak out of luck then?

Meh.

Edited: correction - so either you have to run walkers or 6 units of boyz?

If you don't run Meganobz (Bad Moons) a feth ton of Boyz (Goffs) or 3 kraptastic walkers (2 Deff Dredds and a Gorkanaut) then yes you are out of luck

For the curious:

The Goff Kill Mob costs 1055 points minimum (im working off of the old Gruk's Killmob so this may change slightly)

The Warband costs 524 minimum (with Nobz) or 590 (with Meganobz)

I think we know which is the better option.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Bear in mind he has to be taken in his formation that includes 2 other warbosses, a nob unit, a big mek, and mad doc grotsnik. So he doesn't come cheap.

At min council of waggh is 614pts of course you also want upgrades on those warbosses


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 Grimmor wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
So if you don't want to play Goffs and/or walkers you're gak out of luck then?

Meh.

Edited: correction - so either you have to run walkers or 6 units of boyz?

If you don't run Meganobz (Bad Moons) a feth ton of Boyz (Goffs) or 3 kraptastic walkers (2 Deff Dredds and a Gorkanaut) then yes you are out of luck

For the curious:

The Goff Kill Mob costs 1055 points minimum (im working off of the old Gruk's Killmob so this may change slightly)

The Warband costs 524 minimum (with Nobz) or 590 (with Meganobz)

I think we know which is the better option.

The Goff kill mob no longer requires grukk, skrak or 20x boyz per squad. That's over 200 unneeded points there.

Do you? Even base they can be a pretty ok beatstick if you stick em in boy squads.

Also, is there a way to take lootas in the orcurion?

Can someone see if the new updated Farsight Enclaves mentiones if Riptides may take signature systems? Since Mont'ka didn't mention it there was some debate about whether giving riptides earth caste pilot array was still legal. Knowing this would clear it up.

 Grimmor wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
So if you don't want to play Goffs and/or walkers you're gak out of luck then?

Meh.

Edited: correction - so either you have to run walkers or 6 units of boyz?

If you don't run Meganobz (Bad Moons) a feth ton of Boyz (Goffs) or 3 kraptastic walkers (2 Deff Dredds and a Gorkanaut) then yes you are out of luck

For the curious:

The Goff Kill Mob costs 1055 points minimum (im working off of the old Gruk's Killmob so this may change slightly)

If you read the Goff Kill Mob, it seems to require a basic Warboss(60 points), a unit of Nobz, three units of Boyz, Gorkanaut, Killa Kan unit, and two Deff Dreads.
That's 749 points.

The Warband costs 524 minimum (with Nobz) or 590 (with Meganobz)
I think we know which is the better option.

The one where you don't have to take 60 Boyz minimum?

Thats where their price skyrockets. Bare boned warbosses are beyond useless. It was roughly 1kpts to give them all viability (pks, 'eavy armor, relic big choppa, etc). Could probably make it a little cheaper if everyone just had MA+PK but personally if i have enough warbosses to actually USE the relics i want to use them.
it also leaves the kitbashing kreativity wide open. Ive wanted to make a two-headed warboss be the "Supa Cybork" warboss for awhile lol

The warband formation requires 6 boyz mobs, which is at least a 240 point tax (if you take MSU without any upgrades), which is doubly useless, since such boyz mobs don't do gak.

A trukk boyz mob with nob, bosspole and klaw is 144 points, which basically is the minimum viable boyz mob. Times 6 that is
864 points.

Then you need to add a Warboss, a Mek, a Nobs mob and some grots. Thats well over 1000 points.

That's a lot to pay for S3 HoW and getting to Waaagh every turn.

Pretty useless if you ask me. I'll stick to the CAD.

@hulksmash what are the new formations? Is the pain mob in there? Or the new boss nobs box?

Warband with 5man nob squad+ council with 5man nob squad + min bully boyz is 1810 points. Dunno if you can fit the goff detachment in better, or how you can flip it around to fit, but I hope someone optimizes this at some point.

 Oguhmek wrote:
The warband formation requires 6 boyz mobs, which is at least a 240 point tax (if you take MSU without any upgrades), which is doubly useless, since such boyz mobs don't do gak.

A trukk boyz mob with nob, bosspole and klaw is 144 points, which basically is the minimum viable boyz mob. Times 6 that is
864 points.

Then you need to add a Warboss, a Mek, a Nobs mob and some grots. Thats well over 1000 points.

That's a lot to pay for S3 HoW and getting to Waaagh every turn.

Pretty useless if you ask me. I'll stick to the CAD.

Now we know how IG players feel.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats where their price skyrockets. Bare boned warbosses are beyond useless. It was roughly 1kpts to give them all viability (pks, 'eavy armor, relic big choppa, etc). Could probably make it a little cheaper if everyone just had MA+PK but personally if i have enough warbosses to actually USE the relics i want to use them.
it also leaves the kitbashing kreativity wide open. Ive wanted to make a two-headed warboss be the "Supa Cybork" warboss for awhile lol

Warbosses are one of the ork codexs most cost efficient models. 60pts for what you get is great. You can either outfit them with bikes and pk or mega armor or leave them with a bc (5pts) and eavy armour (4pts) and they are still great value especially with fnp 5+ at toughness 5. That's str 8 ap5 and 4-5atk each.

Orks will be able to field either the Goff mob or horde and council with enough aux choices at 1650/1850 to be decent. 1500 not so much.

For people crying about the decorian seriously???
You can field a bike swarm with forgeworld
You can field a dread mob
You can field a decorian with all boyz
Or a mixed decorian with boyz and walkers
You can even field an all air armada formation.

All of the above are good lists wtf are you looking for?
A buggy swarm list?

IA8 is gone, so the FW lists are on their way out.

 Swampmist wrote:
Warband with 5man nob squad+ council with 5man nob squad + min bully boyz is 1810 points. Dunno if you can fit the goff detachment in better, or how you can flip it around to fit, but I hope someone optimizes this at some point.

There is no point in bully boyz when they can't run or charge with ghaz. Only ghaz unit can move run and charge.
Stick with bikers and big guns.

The best thing with bully boyz is they were fearless which is redundant with ghaz ability and mad doc in the game.

Running the above list as you describe is over 100 Orks. It's basically a greentide but much more durable.


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 Oguhmek wrote:
IA8 is gone, so the FW lists are on their way out.

Since when has an ia8 book being out of print meaning it's on it's way out. In fact forgeworld already stated they are redoing that book.

Dreadmob is full of broken rules because its so old. I cant even find it anymore either.
Also, i shouldnt have to goto FW to make a race playable. I dont care if orks become the new #1 in fact i dont want them to get that big a buff. I want their damn codex to do something and have flexibility so i can actually have FUN with them. Currently, its warbikers + manz missiles + lobbaz in every list. Nothing else even remotely stands a chance.

Ah, ok, my bad though ghaz let everyone do it. In that case, there are other good options. Is there a aux with mek gunz or lootas? Could be good having some backline for the massive wave of green you thow at your opponent...

Source? Customer service has said that "there are no plans" for a new IA8