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Eldar or necrons for me

Elder only if the opponent brings nothing but Scat bikes and Wraithknights

Neurons because of the way Reanimation works this edition. If they changed it back to the old way of rolling for reanimation at the END of the phase and not after each individual model dies would make people much more apt to play against Necrons. And if the entire squad is destroyed you don't get reanimation.

Tau because they never move and the result of the game is not up to you. You dont play against Tau, you play red light green light while the Tau are shooting you.

How many models shall I remove this turn, Tau overlords?

Still, I voted for Eldar because of the sheer stupidity.

No Imperial Guard? Neat, voted for Orks because I can't stand them

 Galef wrote:
Eldar are at least killable and can be played without resorting to all Scatterbike & WKs. A good player can at least have an engaging game with them.

Necrons almost have to play Decurion. Even tabling them (which I have done twice) isn't very fun since you are spending the bulk of 5-7 turns just killing the same units with very slow returns.

What do you mean by "have to play Decurion"?


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 Bobthehero wrote:
No Imperial Guard? Neat, voted for Orks because I can't stand them

I completely forgot about them, honestly. I added them to the list.


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notredameguy10 wrote:
Eldar or necrons for me

Elder only if the opponent brings nothing but Scat bikes and Wraithknights

Neurons because of the way Reanimation works this edition. If they changed it back to the old way of rolling for reanimation at the END of the phase and not after each individual model dies would make people much more apt to play against Necrons. And if the entire squad is destroyed you don't get reanimation.

Yes, please, give people another way to ignore the only army-wide special rule we get. Woohoo!

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Eldar are at least killable and can be played without resorting to all Scatterbike & WKs. A good player can at least have an engaging game with them.

Necrons almost have to play Decurion. Even tabling them (which I have done twice) isn't very fun since you are spending the bulk of 5-7 turns just killing the same units with very slow returns.

What do you mean by "have to play Decurion"?

I said "almost". Basically the bonuses and formations are so good and work so well together that the majority of Necrons players either play Decurion, or at the very least one of it's formations. Don't get me wrong, I actually like playing against Necrons, even the Decurion. I think it is incredibly well balanced and fluffy. I was just trying to explain why some people are more OK with playing Eldar than Necrons.

 Galef wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Eldar are at least killable and can be played without resorting to all Scatterbike & WKs. A good player can at least have an engaging game with them.

Necrons almost have to play Decurion. Even tabling them (which I have done twice) isn't very fun since you are spending the bulk of 5-7 turns just killing the same units with very slow returns.

What do you mean by "have to play Decurion"?

I said "almost". Basically the bonuses and formations are so good and work so well together that the majority of Necrons players either play Decurion, or at the very least one of it's formations. Don't get me wrong, I actually like playing against Necrons, even the Decurion. I think it is incredibly well balanced and fluffy. I was just trying to explain why some people are more OK with playing Eldar than Necrons.

Oh I completely agree on all your points, I was just curious about what you meant. I personally always play Decurion just because of how fluffy it is, and how well it works together. I also try to not bring Wraiths or Destroyers in most games as well.

It's a close tossup between Eldar and Necrons, but I'd probably have to say Eldar, if only for Wraithguard spam and Wraithknights on top of everything. Necron Canoptek Wraith spam is a close second.

Honorable Mentions go to Ravenwing with 2+ re-rollable jink. I can beat them fairly regularly but it's just incredible annoying.

Also Chaos Space Marine with Noise Marines, Heldrake and Nurgle Daemon Prince. I have only won once against said list. They pop my transports and remove entire squads in a single turn.

So I feel like this is a good place to mention that I have won 2 tourneys with Eldar & Necron allied list.

Scatterbikes + WK + Crimson Hunter + 2, yes 2 Canoptek Harvests. It did this to point out how ludicrous Come the Apoc allies could be and how Battle Forged armies are basically just Unbound with a small tax. "One eye Open" is a joke rule that any mobile army can easily avoid.

Not only did I win the tourneys, I received full points in every game. I felt so bad in one of tourney that I conceeded my winnings to my 3 opponents. I have since eBay'ed the Harvests and am focused back to just Eldar.

So for those who think it's a toss up between Eldar "or" Necrons, just be glad you haven't faced Eldar "and" Necrons

Imperial Guard for me. I appreciate I haven't played a massive variety of their armies, but it tends to boil down to them either blasting you off the board in which case they will likely win, or you close the distance and shred them with close range fire/close combat, in which case they're screwed. I expect I'd feel the same way about tau if I ever played against them.

Always Necron for me. It's just the least interactive and least fun army to fight, really.
At least, if you catch Eldar, you can kill them. (Quite) the same the other way around. But Necrons.... Feth 4+++.

I find crons to be the dullest

But really all of the armies are tedious.

It would be easier for me to say i love playing against orks. thats about it.

 Galef wrote:
So I feel like this is a good place to mention that I have won 2 tourneys with Eldar & Necron allied list.

Scatterbikes + WK + Crimson Hunter + 2, yes 2 Canoptek Harvests. It did this to point out how ludicrous Come the Apoc allies could be and how Battle Forged armies are basically just Unbound with a small tax. "One eye Open" is a joke rule that any mobile army can easily avoid.

Not only did I win the tourneys, I received full points in every game. I felt so bad in one of tourney that I conceeded my winnings to my 3 opponents. I have since eBay'ed the Harvests and am focused back to just Eldar.

So for those who think it's a toss up between Eldar "or" Necrons, just be glad you haven't faced Eldar "and" Necrons

That sounds pretty broken, but I think Taudar are still worst for "worst allied army to face". Despite not being BB anymore, I still know a guy who runs a nasty nasty Taudar list.

 Galef wrote:
So I feel like this is a good place to mention that I have won 2 tourneys with Eldar & Necron allied list.

Scatterbikes + WK + Crimson Hunter + 2, yes 2 Canoptek Harvests. It did this to point out how ludicrous Come the Apoc allies could be and how Battle Forged armies are basically just Unbound with a small tax. "One eye Open" is a joke rule that any mobile army can easily avoid.

Not only did I win the tourneys, I received full points in every game. I felt so bad in one of tourney that I conceeded my winnings to my 3 opponents. I have since eBay'ed the Harvests and am focused back to just Eldar.

So for those who think it's a toss up between Eldar "or" Necrons, just be glad you haven't faced Eldar "and" Necrons

Your bring up a good point to be honest. And I know a few armies have love-hate relationships with the player base.

On a personal note though I have a lot of fun playing against Eldar, I may not always win and sometimes I get my face caved in, but for all their "opness" I find them fun, even to lose to.

I voted Tau. Mostly because I like to run Space Marine bike armies and facing Tau is a nightmare with them.

What do people mean by Necrons aren't "interactive"? I guess I've never heard that in the context of this game.

 EnTyme wrote:
What do people mean by Necrons aren't "interactive"? I guess I've never heard that in the context of this game.

You shoot your army at them, most get back up. and there is no counter to that ability besides D which really doesn't belong in 40k.
IMHO

I got trigger happy and voted Eldar. Then i saw Knights was an option!

So Knights, meehhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Sure just 3 knights versus my non Brain Leech Nids i'd win a alot easier versus not winning at versus Eldar. But 3 models that i'm just going to jump around and not engage is just boring.

Eldar, sure out combatted,, out gunned and out paced, but least i might kill something even if i'm not gonna win. Unless ofc they bring a selective bad list, like those Eldar players exist!

 EnTyme wrote:
What do people mean by Necrons aren't "interactive"? I guess I've never heard that in the context of this game.

As noted, its basically when the opponents actions have no meaningful effect on the Necrons, they just ignore too much stuff. They generally only care about morale if heavily defeated in CC, theyre damn near impossible to kill, and are incredibly difficult to block in terms of maneuver as they can ignore or bypass many movement restrictions (either with Relentless, Jetbikes, Flyer Transports, open topped AV13 transports, Wraiths ignoring terrain entirely, etc).

Wraitja are probably the worst offenders. Obscenly and unreasonably hard to kill, able to move 12" a turn and not care about terrain, fearless in CC, etc. They just go and do their thing, and often theres nothing an opponent can do about it.

I think having a bit of scaling to things like reanimation protocols and tau marker lights outright ignoring cover would help a lot. It doesn't make sense that a warrior can ignore a bolter and plasma gun with the same roll.

Eldar just need a couple price adjustments to be better off, wraithknights should be considerably higher, and wraith guard should return to the 6th edition profile of weapons and maybe n ap2 fleshbane flame weapon instead of what we get now.

Mind you I play csm and find it shocking what new things all the other factions get while I sit at home painting my cultists.

Necrons, because the only interaction I have with my opponent is camping objectives and removing my models from the board.

None of the above. I have no problem facing any army. It's the people that bother me. Not everyone of course. Just certain players.

Eldar because they are just so powerful to the point of stupidity.

Tau are the most boring though because most of the game is just getting shot at with overwhelming firepower.

Interestingly I do pretty good against Necrons, I just have to accept that the Wraiths will destroy me. Every other unit in the codex I have a pretty good answer for because I can remove their armor save so I don't have to deal with a 4+++ as well. 5 out of 15 people play Necrons so it is kind of a find an answer or suffer deal.

Eldar, everyone has moved away from Eldar and the holdout has moved for business. Everyone is happy.

Tau, three guys left. Two are pretty cool, the third is an ass. He is the reason people don't like Tau.

I vote Tau.

I chose Tau.

I play CSM, With my limited FA and Transport options and Tau having JSJ, Ignores cover, overall higher strength weapons, and other general nasty goodness, they have been become the bane of my gaming existence. MoN is required to keep me "Marine durable", I can't out shoot them, I can't catch them to club them to death, can't even hide the cultists on objectives to "play the mission". It feels like the army was designed with the one goal to invalidate all the other armies.

You have walkers that move 6 inches and have poor rules? Here's my "monstrous creature" that can JSJ 12 inches and FNP and armor save through all you got.

Trying to spam some flyers or drop pods to counter my maneuverability? Good thing half my army as access to sky fire and intercept.

Trying to blind me to hinder my shooting? Black sun visors for everyone!

You want to assault me? Combined overwatch all around!

Can't assault, so your gonna shoot at me? I'm fine with that. My range is the table, yours is 48 inches tops.

Oh, now your hiding in cover. Let me use these marker lights that I have with every unit and show you why that is a bad idea.

Also, my transport is faster than yours, and a skimmer so it can jink just by moving an inch. Don't worry, you have smoke you can pop for a turn if your scared. (The cover save isn't gonna help you anyway)

I could go on, but you get the point. I like Eldar more than Tau because most Eldar players are either the "scatterbikes, wraith-whatever, etc" guy no one plays with or the "plays the army cause they like them and will actually give you a chance" guy. I've yet to come across a tau list that is fun for me to play against. Even against my buddy who can tone it down a lot, his tau still are just too much to handle. They have an answer for everything I can bring, at half the cost. Take it as whining or not, but I only feel hate for them, It's the only army that forces me to ignore the entire assault phase of the game.

/rant

Tau. Straight up cannot stand them. Absolutely nothing I like about them; aesthetic, fluff, models, rules, playstyle. Cannot stand them across the board. Have not ever had a single game that I have enjoyed against them. It's gotten to the point where I won't even bother playing against them in any way or form, which is a shame because I like the social aspect of the game but its hard to focus on that when all I want to do is flip the table and crush every fugly model underfoot.

I. Loathe. Grey Knights. I hate them. Actually, there's no real word to describe how much I despise Grey Knights. If such a word were created, I would say it wasn't enough.

This unmitigated hatred comes from the fact that the vast majority of people who play them do the SAME damn list EVERY single time: All 2+ armor, heavy Alpha Strike. No creativity, crutches that have crutches for bad strategy and the ability to ID whatever the heck they want thanks to Force weaponry that affects every model. As a Tyranid player, there's nothing worse. As a Daemon player, that's just great; Preferred Enemy on top of saving most every wound. More Psychic dice than they know what to do with. And Torrent on Dreadknights besides? Great... Thanks.

I can't even think what second place would be. It would be like a race across America starting at Los Angeles port. When Grey Knights reaches the Jersey shore every other army crossed the California-Nevada border....

Tropic Thunder wrote:
I. Loathe. Grey Knights. I hate them. Actually, there's no real word to describe how much I despise Grey Knights. If such a word were created, I would say it wasn't enough.

This unmitigated hatred comes from the fact that the vast majority of people who play them do the SAME damn list EVERY single time: All 2+ armor,

To be fair, that's not out of character for the army, when originally introduced the entire chapter was all terminators, and their fluff has always been that every brother can be equipped with terminator armor if required for the mission.

heavy Alpha Strike.

That's pretty much how every competitive list works these days, and the GK's don't have a whole lot of alternatives in terms of functional army list as half the book just doesn't work in the 7.5E meta.

None of the armies. I'm fine with facing pretty much anything. For me it's more the player rather than the army that might irritate me

Eldar and Tau.

As a vanilla Space Marine player who...you know, actually has to play by the rules in the 40k rulebook, I'm not a fan of armies that don't. Also, feth wraithknights and various other assorted OP monstrous and gargantuan monstrous creatures, etc.