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Considering how many people at my FLGS have picked up Space Wolves in the past month, I may have to change my vote to Team Jacob. I'm surprised at how few complaints I've seen concerning the new Wolfen (Wolven?) and Murderpack rules.

Honestly? At this point I think it's because there is now so much OP gak floating around this game, that people are just used to it now. With Scatbikes, Wraith Knights, and GSF's and all the crazy gak that comes with them, things like the murderpack just seem mild in comparison I guess

Seriously, I mostly play choppy armies and there's nothing that tears my soul apart more than watching my puppies being shot at. Cowards, can they not face me in combat?

I had to vote Knights here, just because they lack a toned-down option: Necrons can decide to not go Decurion, Eldar can leave the WK/scatbikes/D-guns at home.

IK, though, just isn't fun. It reminds me of playing a grinding boss battle over over and over as you try to penetrate its AV and ion shields.

For my it is tyranids.
I recently started an armored Guard army, and my tanks hate when tens of hormagaunts hit them with S4 in the rear, or when zoanthropes throw rayon psychic powers at them...
With my marines I could just pod a unit and kill the zoanthropes, and I don't rely on expensive armored tank to see them to die because they have 10 at the rear...
They just negate the power of my armoring.

 godardc wrote:
For my it is tyranids.
I recently started an armored Guard army, and my tanks hate when tens of hormagaunts hit them with S4 in the rear, or when zoanthropes throw rayon psychic powers at them...
With my marines I could just pod a unit and kill the zoanthropes, and I don't rely on expensive armored tank to see them to die because they have 10 at the rear...
They just negate the power of my armoring.

welcome to IG and non-skimmer tanks in general in 7E

That said, Tyranids should be amongst the least egregious armor killers. Between Necrons, Eldar, Tau, Grav, AdMech, etc, theres a whole lot more that cuts tanks down much faster

 godardc wrote:
For my it is tyranids.
I recently started an armored Guard army, and my tanks hate when tens of hormagaunts hit them with S4 in the rear, or when zoanthropes throw rayon psychic powers at them...
With my marines I could just pod a unit and kill the zoanthropes, and I don't rely on expensive armored tank to see them to die because they have 10 at the rear...
They just negate the power of my armoring.

Nids are very easy for guard. With the amount of pie plates we put out I'm not sure how your having a problem. For me it's something boring such as necrons. If I'm going going to be beaten by an OP army I want it to at least look nice. Crons are just ugly.

I'm playing an armored battle group from IA volume two, not the best Guard can do.
We played only two times, at 920 pts (he is only beggining his nids, he only bought the big swarm box, with a lot of gaunts, a flyrant, and a box of zoanthropes).

My poor leman russes can't kill his thropes, before Turn 2 or 3, they are quite resistant, with FNP, invulnerable save and cover BLOS terrains.
And turn two, the gaunts are on me (only 8 horma needed to kill a Leman Russ in hand to hand).
At 900pts, and focussing on tanks, I have few infantry to protect my tanks.

Of course, I could take only punisher, demolisher etc... And be invulnerable to all but 4 models in his army, but...

This is why, for the moment, I have difficutlies.
When we do biggers games, it will be differents.
The table will be bigger, I'll have other toys, he will have less synapses porpotionnally, etc... It is not really a problem with the Guard, but with my list, wich isn't intended to be played at such a low points level, when his is perfectly capable.

I had great pleasure playing against the same nids with my marines, however.

im currently boycotting playing eldar to the point of extremes. farsight tau are also an army i have serious issues playing against. if you cant live without your farsight enclave as a tau player then i probably wont ever play you

Why specially Farsight ?

 tau tse tung wrote:

Nids are very easy for guard. With the amount of pie plates we put out I'm not sure how your having a problem. For me it's something boring such as necrons. If I'm going going to be beaten by an OP army I want it to at least look nice. Crons are just ugly.

Well sir, I take offense to that.

Neurons because I don't want to die brutally

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Neurons because I don't want to die brutally

You die brutally to Necrons? Necrons don't typically brutally kill things.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Neurons because I don't want to die brutally

You die brutally to Necrons? Necrons don't typically brutally kill things.

Weeell Newcrons do brutally kill everything... just very slowly within 12" Radius

 Torus wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Neurons because I don't want to die brutally

You die brutally to Necrons? Necrons don't typically brutally kill things.

Weeell Newcrons do brutally kill everything... just very slowly within 12" Radius

So don't be within 12" of them. Most armies can outrange them.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Torus wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Neurons because I don't want to die brutally

You die brutally to Necrons? Necrons don't typically brutally kill things.

Weeell Newcrons do brutally kill everything... just very slowly within 12" Radius

So don't be within 12" of them. Most armies can outrange them.

Sorry, I tend to forget scarastic jokes don't look like jokes on the web...

To be fair, Necrons usually don't have much of a problem getting most of their stuff into range. Between things like Wraiths and Jetbikes, renteless/MTC infantry, flyer & skimmer transports, etc, I usually find Necron opponents have most or all of their army within striking range of anything they want by turn 2. Take something as simple as Warriors, even footslogging on a simple opposing long board edges deployment, they can engage targets in an opposing deployment zone by turn 2 easily (12" up on deployment, 6" move, 3.5" average run, 6" turn 2 move, 24" max range/12" doubletap puts your opponent's deployment zone in range, add in a Relentless assault move and it's possible to have them launch an assault within their opponent's deployment zone turn 2), and with a transport they can drastically increase that, and that's about the slowest thing in the army.

 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, Necrons usually don't have much of a problem getting most of their stuff into range. Between things like Wraiths and Jetbikes, renteless/MTC infantry, flyer & skimmer transports, etc, I usually find Necron opponents have most or all of their army within striking range of anything they want by turn 2. Take something as simple as Warriors, even footslogging on a simple opposing long board edges deployment, they can engage targets in an opposing deployment zone by turn 2 easily (12" up on deployment, 6" move, 3.5" average run, 6" turn 2 move, 24" max range/12" doubletap puts your opponent's deployment zone in range, add in a Relentless assault move and it's possible to have them launch an assault within their opponent's deployment zone turn 2), and with a transport they can drastically increase that, and that's about the slowest thing in the army.

If you're assaulting with Warriors, you're doing it wrong. The only reason you'd ever assault with your warriors is that you know that the target will almost certainly be assaulting them the next turn and you just want to get the +1 attack for charging.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, Necrons usually don't have much of a problem getting most of their stuff into range. Between things like Wraiths and Jetbikes, renteless/MTC infantry, flyer & skimmer transports, etc, I usually find Necron opponents have most or all of their army within striking range of anything they want by turn 2. Take something as simple as Warriors, even footslogging on a simple opposing long board edges deployment, they can engage targets in an opposing deployment zone by turn 2 easily (12" up on deployment, 6" move, 3.5" average run, 6" turn 2 move, 24" max range/12" doubletap puts your opponent's deployment zone in range, add in a Relentless assault move and it's possible to have them launch an assault within their opponent's deployment zone turn 2), and with a transport they can drastically increase that, and that's about the slowest thing in the army.

If you're assaulting with Warriors, you're doing it wrong. The only reason you'd ever assault with your warriors is that you know that the target will almost certainly be assaulting them the next turn and you just want to get the +1 attack for charging.

If the Necron opponent is something like Grey Knights? Sure. If it's Guard, Tau (assuming they don't have a bajillion units nearby for gobs of overwatch fire), or something like non-CC oriented Eldar/DE units, a depleted SM unit you've weakened with shooting, or a tank, etc? Then there's every reason to try and get stuck in.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, Necrons usually don't have much of a problem getting most of their stuff into range. Between things like Wraiths and Jetbikes, renteless/MTC infantry, flyer & skimmer transports, etc, I usually find Necron opponents have most or all of their army within striking range of anything they want by turn 2. Take something as simple as Warriors, even footslogging on a simple opposing long board edges deployment, they can engage targets in an opposing deployment zone by turn 2 easily (12" up on deployment, 6" move, 3.5" average run, 6" turn 2 move, 24" max range/12" doubletap puts your opponent's deployment zone in range, add in a Relentless assault move and it's possible to have them launch an assault within their opponent's deployment zone turn 2), and with a transport they can drastically increase that, and that's about the slowest thing in the army.

If you're assaulting with Warriors, you're doing it wrong. The only reason you'd ever assault with your warriors is that you know that the target will almost certainly be assaulting them the next turn and you just want to get the +1 attack for charging.

I assault with warriors quiet frequently. Open-topped transports, plus 20 Gauss shots then 20 attacks in CC will neuter most things.

I've also been seeing the local Necron players assault things to deprive them of cover saves. Those dark angel land speeders are hard to shoot down, but assaulting them is basically the same as shooting them with warriors without worrying about that pesky cover save. Similarly, a rerollable 2+ cove save bike squad is a pain, but locking that unit up in assault isn't a bad move. Especially if you have a war scythe in that unit.

Wyldhunt wrote:
I've also been seeing the local Necron players assault things to deprive them of cover saves. Those dark angel land speeders are hard to shoot down, but assaulting them is basically the same as shooting them with warriors without worrying about that pesky cover save. Similarly, a rerollable 2+ cove save bike squad is a pain, but locking that unit up in assault isn't a bad move. Especially if you have a war scythe in that unit.

It's hard to tie RW in combat, considering that all bikers in the army have Hit and Run.

Necrons with Decurion, because they never fecking die.
Tau and Eldar too, because their weapons.....

I'm not sure that I have one, since I mostly fight Marine flavored forces (and I play one myself), but if I were to choose one I do know that I would hate to fight an Imperial Knight force. I don't mind a Knight in an army, but a whole army of them? Feth that, that's not fun for anyone

These days I would say Ad Mech War Convo, even though I originally voted Space Marines for those annoying Drop Pod lists (which my Tau army would not have any problem with ). You just can't have enough markerlights to ignore all that 2+ cover in ruins, and by time they take Flesh Tearers Drop Pod taxi service...

Necrons

There is a few that i don't really like, but i would still play it.

But with my KDK the one i really don't like is Nids.

No characters.
Units sometimes too large.
Notr enough firepower on my side.

All those contributes to nearly negate my Blood Tithe rule and so gimping my army.

Vs Nids i can only play the scenario.

 Lord Inquisitor Nathandar wrote:
Necrons

Any specific reason?

 godardc wrote:
For my it is tyranids.
I recently started an armored Guard army, and my tanks hate when tens of hormagaunts hit them with S4 in the rear, or when zoanthropes throw rayon psychic powers at them...
With my marines I could just pod a unit and kill the zoanthropes, and I don't rely on expensive armored tank to see them to die because they have 10 at the rear...
They just negate the power of my armoring.

I'm assuming those Hormagaunts have Adrenal Glands (i.e. furious charge) ? Otherwise, they are STR 3 and couldn't hurt your tanks.

For me, it will always be against Tau. They're way too unengaging. Sit back, shoot. There's no fun in that.

Eldar are fine for me, at least they are engaging. Necrons are a little too boring for me.