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2016/06/14 13:56:42
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
Not a massive fan of Farage myself, but one thing I do like about him is if I asked him a question today, and asked him the same question next week I'd get the same answer (barring some kind of major event inbetween). This is a rare trait in a politician.
That said of late I do think that even that aspect of him has been failing - and he's almost becoming a liability to UKIP. I'd have liked to have seen him go through with his stepping down as leader and give Paul Nuttal a chance - who has always impressed me when he's been on the TV, even though I again don't always agree with what he says.
2016/06/14 15:24:10
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
If this was the beginning of the end of the EU, what might the future hold for Europe?
It's doubtful that a member leaving who has opted out of all major EU projects so far will have a huge impact besides riling up some populist sentiment in some remaining countries. Currently a break up is just wishful thinking by skeptics.
Still, suppose the economic imbalance between north and south or the refugee crisis might break up the union in the future, which is not unthinkable, it would probably lead to new organization of a a smaller but further integrated core around Germany and a few regional blocs surrounding that. Most of the north-western mainland European economies are far too strongly connected to ever go back to a situation before the EEC where things could be arranged by simple trade agreements.
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2016/06/14 16:22:33
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
If this was the beginning of the end of the EU, what might the future hold for Europe?
It's doubtful that a member leaving who has opted out of all major EU projects so far will have a huge impact besides riling up some populist sentiment in some remaining countries. Currently a break up is just wishful thinking by skeptics.
Still, suppose the economic imbalance between north and south or the refugee crisis might break up the union in the future, which is not unthinkable, it would probably lead to new organization of a a smaller but further integrated core around Germany and a few regional blocs surrounding that. Most of the north-western mainland European economies are far too strongly connected to ever go back to a situation before the EEC where things could be arranged by simple trade agreements.
Tusk thinks differently though. Its the end of the world if Brexit happens. Really, he said as much.
And he speaks for you,Antario, being head of the EU.
2016/06/14 17:17:07
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
If this was the beginning of the end of the EU, what might the future hold for Europe?
It's doubtful that a member leaving who has opted out of all major EU projects so far will have a huge impact besides riling up some populist sentiment in some remaining countries. Currently a break up is just wishful thinking by skeptics.
Still, suppose the economic imbalance between north and south or the refugee crisis might break up the union in the future, which is not unthinkable, it would probably lead to new organization of a a smaller but further integrated core around Germany and a few regional blocs surrounding that. Most of the north-western mainland European economies are far too strongly connected to ever go back to a situation before the EEC where things could be arranged by simple trade agreements.
Tusk thinks differently though. Its the end of the world if Brexit happens. Really, he said as much.
And he speaks for you,Antario, being head of the EU.
I'm sure Cameron speaks for you as PM of the UK
Look beyond the quote. Consider context and interests. Tusk a is a moderate nationalist, certainly not a federalist, and he is Polish (and a former Polish PM). Poland has many citizens living in the UK and heavily relies on NATO for protection against Russia, and Tusk is addressing a German audience on why they should give a damn.
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2016/06/14 18:04:47
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
Future War Cultist wrote: I'm going to be devastated if we don't leave. I'm serious, it'll be the biggest mistake we'll ever make.
And the last mistake. Not sure if this is true or not, but according to this guy, Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the mechanism which member states must invoke to withdraw from the Union, can be amended and removed without triggering a national referendum. When that happens, there will be no legal, peaceful mechanism by which we could withdraw.
2016/06/15 07:17:29
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
Future War Cultist wrote: I'm going to be devastated if we don't leave. I'm serious, it'll be the biggest mistake we'll ever make.
And the last mistake. Not sure if this is true or not, but according to this guy, Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the mechanism which member states must invoke to withdraw from the Union, can be amended and removed without triggering a national referendum. When that happens, there will be no legal, peaceful mechanism by which we could withdraw.
Spoiler:
Wow, the anti-democratic treaty that was created because citizens rejected the Constitution could potentially be amended to be even more anti-democratic...........colour me sur.....wait no, I'm really not surprised at all.
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2016/06/15 09:15:37
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
I'm going to miss this referendum campaign when it's over
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
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2016/06/15 09:38:21
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
Of course, that presupposes that he'll still be chancellor at the time, let along being able to get away with it...
Where does he get this £30 billion deficit number from? It seems to have been plucked from thin air?
Hell, there's that many black holes over Britain these days, it's a wonder Planet Earth hasn't been crushed by the gravitational pull
And we need a picture of Farage's flotilla. I still haven't worked out how to put pictures on dakka.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Farage's flotilla has set sail - I'm looking at images on the Guardian newspaper.
What a shambles
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Remain camp have counter-launched their own fleet!
When was the last time we had a battle on the Thames?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/06/15 10:51:26
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
"Bob Geldof under attack from Farage-led rebel fishermen on the Thames"
"Sad how the referendum has descended into...
Naval gazing."
well played !
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2016/06/15 11:08:49
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
lol, it's nice to know politics in Old Blimey is just as divisive and silly as it is here in the former colonies.
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2016/06/15 11:15:12
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd! Should Britain stay or go?
agnosto wrote: lol, it's nice to know politics in Old Blimey is just as divisive and silly as it is here in the former colonies.
I'm laughing so much, I fear I'm going to break my ribs.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Do I Not Like That...the last battle of the Thames was probably the Raid on the Medway in 1667 when the Dutch sailed up the Thames.
I'm a Scottish nationalist, but by God, there are times when I love Britain, and this is one such time.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/06/15 11:22:45
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
The whole thing is very silly on both sides, but I do like the quote from Nigel Garage. "Geldofs come to laugh at the poor people".
There's something deeply satisfying about seeing a rich millionaire in his big party boat coming to " laugh at the poor people" in their little fishing boats, and to tell us little people how we shouild be voting. As silly as the whole thing is, Geldofs intervention is a gift for the Leave campaign.
The photo of the little fishing boat hosing the big geldof party boat is priceless.
2016/06/15 11:27:28
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The whole thing is very silly on both sides, but I do like the quote from Nigel Garage. "Geldofs come to laugh at the poor people".
There's something deeply satisfying about seeing a rich millionaire in his big party boat coming to " laugh at the poor people" in their little fishing boats, and to tell us little people how we shouild be voting. As silly as the whole thing is, Geldofs intervention is a gift for the Leave campaign.
The photo of the little fishing boat hosing the big geldof party boat is priceless.
I somebody offered me the choice of 8 more days of this, or settling the vote with a naval battle, I'd take the naval battle.
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zedmeister wrote: This is brilliant. I honestly thought this was a bit of satire, but they're having a mock battle on the Thames!
Geldolf being sprayed by fire hoses!
I'm surprised that Farage's boat never hit an iceberg or an old WW2 mine that was 'conveniently' floating around
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/06/15 11:33:46
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
"Trawlermen are trying to board Bob Geldof's boat outside parliament. Not a joke. Police intervening."
...
...least it's not raining anyway eh ?
..5...4....3...2.....
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2016/06/15 11:46:54
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
There's an on going thread about British Comedy Vs. American Comedy.
Well, you can shut that thread down now, because today's events have shown that American Comedy can never match the best of British.
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reds8n wrote: "Trawlermen are trying to board Bob Geldof's boat outside parliament. Not a joke. Police intervening."
...
...least it's not raining anyway eh ?
..5...4....3...2.....
I'm pretty sure that not only does the Thames not fall under the Met police's jurisdiction, but it's still governed by old Medieval laws on piracy and high seas boarding
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm surprised that Farage's boat never hit an iceberg or an old WW2 mine that was 'conveniently' floating around
Aye, I have expected the SS Richard Montgomery to go up and cause a huge freak tidal wave to sweep his launch away!
I was expecting Farage to end up like Robert Maxwell TBO
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/06/15 12:04:18
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
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Which side will invoke the spirit of Nelson and win the day?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2016/06/15 20:54:38
Subject: Re:EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
Nigel Farage comments on the Thames Flotilla rally. He makes some good points - apparently the flotilla was organised by an independent Leave campaign group of fishermen, who're protesting at the 'disastrous' effect the EU has had on their industry (Nigel cites a figure that British fisherman are allocated just 20% of the fishing quotas for British waters).
And then along comes the rich millionaire Geldof to lecture the ignorant Proles and tell them how to vote...
SilverMK2 wrote: And the main reason fisherpeople have an issue is because Farage couldn't be fethed to do the job he was elected, paid and claimed expenses for...
You really think it was within Nigel Farage's power to stop 80% of the British waters' fishing quota being allocated to foreign fishermen?
2016/06/15 21:05:39
Subject: EU referendum June 23rd : Reality ends, page 53
SilverMK2 wrote: And the main reason fisherpeople have an issue is because Farage couldn't be fethed to do the job he was elected, paid and claimed expenses for...
You really think it was within Nigel Farage's power to stop 80% of the British waters' fishing quota being allocated to foreign fishermen?
Maybe.Maybe not. We'll never know, he never bothered showing up!
