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 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
How does Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Cananda and many others get by without the EU?

Largely by forming close trading relationships with their major trade partners, like what Europe is for the UK.

And yet they don't have to be ruled from Brussels.

No, just from Washington

I'm pretty sure all of our British friends should be to busy drinking and singing rule Britannia.

 SolarCross wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
I saw it a while back being asked for, but this was the voting demographic for age brackets by a YouGov poll.

18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

 SolarCross wrote:
Boris for PM!

Feth no.

Who better than Boris? I can only think of Nigel Farage as possible alternative. Honestly I like Boris better though in fairness Nigel deserves a lot of credit for this historic day.



Nigel for PM!

At this point I think you're trying to troll me xD

There will be calls for resignation, but both Remain and Leave have said that Cameron has to remain in charge for the time being. Can you imagine trying to negotiate a divorce settlement while their is no figurehead for Tory parliament leading the discussions?

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
How does Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Cananda and many others get by without the EU?

Largely by forming close trading relationships with their major trade partners, like what Europe is for the UK.

And yet they don't have to be ruled from Brussels.

A. Neither is the UK.
B. They don't have free movement of goods and people.
C. Maybe they would be better off if they did. There's a lot less co-operation in science and engineering, for example, compared to the UK and EU..

"When boyhoods fire was in my blood I read of ancient freemen,
For Greece and Rome who bravely stood 300 men and three men.
And I prayed I yet might see our borders rent in twain! And Ireland long divided be one nation once again!"
Am I right in saying that my prayers are much closer to being answered?

Already the consequences have come in for my immediate circle.

My friend (who voted Leave) had an offer put on a house that he really liked and it looks like he might have to withdraw the offer or at least struggle an awful lot with money for the time being. He's going through it with his legal adviser later today.

This could just be a result of the value of the pound dropping. We'll obviously get a clearer picture once the market stablizes and people have an idea of what to expect.


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 Da krimson barun wrote:
"When boyhoods fire was in my blood I read of ancient freemen,
For Greece and Rome who bravely stood 300 men and three men.
And I prayed I yet might see our borders rent in twain! And Ireland long divided be one nation once again!"
Am I right in saying that my prayers are much closer to being answered?

Maybe? Is Ireland content with the EU? I know a lot of countries are wanting their own referendum.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Already the consequences have come in for my immediate circle.

My friend (who voted Leave) had an offer put on a house that he really liked and it looks like he might have to withdraw the offer or at least struggle an awful lot with money for the time being. He's going through it with his legal adviser later today.

This could just be a result of the value of the pound dropping. We'll obviously get a clearer picture once the market stablizes and people have an idea of what to expect.


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 Da krimson barun wrote:
"When boyhoods fire was in my blood I read of ancient freemen,
For Greece and Rome who bravely stood 300 men and three men.
And I prayed I yet might see our borders rent in twain! And Ireland long divided be one nation once again!"
Am I right in saying that my prayers are much closer to being answered?

Maybe? Is Ireland content with the EU? I know a lot of countries are wanting their own referendum.

Alot of it is a kneejerk reaction.

Its kind of funny actually.

I am mostly here in the states watching the dollar gain more value and seeing the gold standard steadily rise.

holy crap they actually did it.

Of course it'll take a while to actually leave, but this is incredible. I thought this was going to be like the Scottish vote to leave the UK where there was all that buildup and then nothing really happened.

That split is nasty though, pretty much 50/50.

I have a feeling this topic is going to bring people to blows for months to come. Reactions from British friends range from "we won the world cup" level of excitement to "oh god we're all doomed" despair. I think you guys will pull through, but man youre in for some rough years until everything is out.

You think you guys have it bad though, now that this has happened the EU will be tearing itself apart within a few years at this rate.

So... Congrats I guess? Y'all have turned into the Confederacy of Europe and thrown everything into turmoil, good job.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Already the consequences have come in for my immediate circle.

My friend (who voted Leave) had an offer put on a house that he really liked and it looks like he might have to withdraw the offer or at least struggle an awful lot with money for the time being. He's going through it with his legal adviser later today.

This could just be a result of the value of the pound dropping. We'll obviously get a clearer picture once the market stablizes and people have an idea of what to expect.


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 Da krimson barun wrote:
"When boyhoods fire was in my blood I read of ancient freemen,
For Greece and Rome who bravely stood 300 men and three men.
And I prayed I yet might see our borders rent in twain! And Ireland long divided be one nation once again!"
Am I right in saying that my prayers are much closer to being answered?

Maybe? Is Ireland content with the EU? I know a lot of countries are wanting their own referendum.

every Scottish constituency voted remain. In the event of Scottish independence, northern Ireland will probably j oin the Republic.

Anyone seen that simpsons treehouse of horror episode where the alien kang, disguised as senator bob dole in the presidential election, tells a reporter: 'it makes no difference which one of us you vote for- either way your planet is doomed- dooomed!'
I feel is relevant.

The best comment I've heard from all this was my brother who asked me if this is what it feels like when fans of football see their team lose XD

@MrMoustaffa quite possible. There is already a petition for referendums to be redone if turnout is less than 75% and the majority is less than 60%.

I'm not happy with the result, but this is democracy and we have to respect the wishes of the majority.

... Cameron is stepping down......

"A lot of countries want their referendum"

-> "A lot of far-right parties in EU countries want a referendum"

Better put the right words on it or we'll never figure out what's exactly happening.

As for the UK, well, good luck. I don't think we're going to hold Calais' migrants back for too long.

Ninja'ed.

Who will take over from big Dave then?

 reds8n wrote:
... Cameron is stepping down......

That is going to be a disaster. I don't want a power struggle in a government that is trying to get a divorce settlement from the EU.

While I am a Remainer and very disappointed at the result, my mental state has undergone a sea change in the past five minutes. I had finished writing a long screed about what has gone wrong, and why, and so on.

But suddenly I felt, feth it! What's done is done. There's no point crying about it.

What's important now is to make absolutely the best job we can of leaving and being out. I'm not sure that means, hopefully not palling up with fascists like Le Pen and Geert Wilders though.

One bright spot is that Farage is going to have to look for a new job, and UKIP' political raison d'etre has been eliminated.

Things won't be as good as the Brexiteers have promised, but they won't be as bad as the Remain campaign warned.

If things really do turn out to go badly, though, I reserve the right to come back in five years to say "I told you so!"

 Frozocrone wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
... Cameron is stepping down......

That is going to be a disaster. I don't want a power struggle in a government that is trying to get a divorce settlement from the EU.

I think it should be interesting, if nothing else.

Cameron has announed he is going to step down by October.

Today marks the day where I saw Gav Thorpe, in response to Brexit, quote Joseph Goebbels of all people, on his Facebook page.

Of all the flavours he had to choose Nazi... I mean salty.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
......If things really do turn out to go badly, though, I reserve the right to come back in five years to say "I told you so!"

Only if we can point and laugh if everything is alright and WW3 hasn't happened.

Disappointing that Cameron is only showing decent leadership in this whole thing as he steps down.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
While I am a Remainer and very disappointed at the result, my mental state has undergone a sea change in the past five minutes. I had finished writing a long screed about what has gone wrong, and why, and so on.

But suddenly I felt, feth it! What's done is done. There's no point crying about it

I'm the same. We've fethed up royally, but it's done now so we need to move on and improve things. At least for the Scots we might be able to reverse it.

We're in for a few years of uncertainty anyway.

So, how well exactly is the UK going to fare, assuming Scotland (and maybe North Ireland) gets its independence ?

I'm not really knowledgeable on that topic.

I can see you guys get closer to the US and Canada, economically at least.

 notprop wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
......If things really do turn out to go badly, though, I reserve the right to come back in five years to say "I told you so!"

Only if we can point and laugh if everything is alright and WW3 hasn't happened.

Disappointing that Cameron is only showing decent leadership in this whole thing as he steps down.

WW3's got nothing to do with it IMO.

You can point and laugh if the UK has a vibrant economy and we are all better off and I will be laughing along with you. I could do with a decent job and a pay rise.

Cameron has always been useless but look at the rest of them. They are all as bad as each other in different ways.

 LethalShade wrote:
So, how well exactly is the UK going to fare, assuming Scotland (and maybe North Ireland) gets its independence ?

I'm not really knowledgeable on that topic.

I can see you guys get closer to the US and Canada, economically at least.

Its GDP will raise.

But it will lose alot of the resources in scotland and Northern Ireland's population. So not well.

UK breaking up is essentially creating a weaker state militarily, and nationally.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

One bright spot is that Farage is going to have to look for a new job, and UKIP' political raison d'etre has been eliminated.

Look for him in the tory party once the divorce is done and signed.

In any case, alea jacta est and all that. Interesting times from now on.

 LethalShade wrote:
So, how well exactly is the UK going to fare, assuming Scotland (and maybe North Ireland) gets its independence ?

I'm not really knowledgeable on that topic.

I can see you guys get closer to the US and Canada, economically at least.

I don't think losing Scotland and Northern Ireland would do much to the England/Wales rump of the UK, which is much more populous and wealthy.

We would have to figure out what to do with the nuclear deterrent.

There would be a problem if the CIty of London decided to relocate to Edinburgh to remain within the EU.

On the whole, though, We would be likely to end up with a settlement like that that already exists between the UK and Eire. Friendly with pretty free and easy movement and so on. Possibly even shared defence committments.

Well, I guess it depends on whether or not the EU is willing to make things fast for Scotland/North Ireland, as well as its willingness to "punish" the UK (by delaying commercial negotiations, letting migrants in the UK or whatever. But I don't think they'll go that far).

So not at all what I expected to happen.

It is very much now a case of "don't screw up." I think I said s long time ago that what I want for the UK is for us to continue to act as a hub, that were best places to be friends of Europe not part of it. - "you talk to him, see you I know who you should be speaking to. Hey Canada I know this guy in India that'll get what you need.... Oh Europe, I've got this buddy in South Africa who has what you're looking for."

And I think that sort of vision needs more freedom than being 1/28th of a country gives.

Next step of my thought process is an even bigger investment in our Foreign Office, something that has started, supposedly not too long ago.

I just hope trump now wins - misery loves company...