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I guess simply having Putin glare at the incoming meteors wouldn't be enough......


http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/politics/russia-icbm-asteroid-killer/index.html

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Wouldn't an ICBM missile be a bit unweildy for this purpose? Not that I'm an expert on ballistics. Russia certainly has some history with meteors though, so guess they probably should do something about that

   
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"meteor defense"

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An ICBM may be unwieldy - but what else are you going to use to get a warhead up there?

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I guess I was thinking of that time we shot down that satellite, but an SM3 missile is apparently much bigger than I thought it was (21 feet). So I guess yeah XD You kind of totally need something ICBM sized to pull that off.

   
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Ok. So nuclear icbm then into space. Anyone git a spare tsar bomb to mount on one? Big boom

Cannot say its worst idea anyone had foe nukes.

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Hey, it sounds less stupid than sending a bunch of oil drillers into space to blow it in half

   
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We have had a technological society for about ten thousand years. Humans have been around in one form or another for several times that, and hominids around for several million years longer.
We have had scientific method for about three centuries, a basic awareness of the cosmos for a couple fo centuries more, and a better understanding only in the last hundred years.
In that time we have learned that comets can cause devastation, likely did so at the end of the Cretaceous and possibly do so again, every few tens of millions of years or so.

We have been around all this time with no worries of comets or meteors at all, and no expectation of a threat. Now we are aware that large objects can strike the Earth some are convinced they will.

Why the big scare? Why the missile shield? Arent the Russians smarter than this?

Frankly I m not buying this explanation. The Soviets signed Salt II that limited ICBM's. now Putin wants to overhaul them. Which makes sense how old the tech will be by now. Overhauling the Russian strategic missile arm will cause many western leaders nightmares and lead to more diplomatic heat. However Putin can do an overhaul while making his ICBM fleet meteor intercept capable.
Any missile that can hit a meteor can have hemispheric capability with room to spare, the extra oomph to lift the missile into an escape orbit can also mean a very fast launch and short travel time to a ground target. Accuracy will be improved also. Soviet ICBMs needed large yield warheads to offset the lack of precision targeting of western long range rocketry.
Putin is nobodies fool, ad there is much to admire about that mans grasp of realpolitik and statemanship. It looks to me like he is regrading Russia's ICBM fleet for the modern age with far more transit power than ever before, and making himself out as humanity's shield while doing so. Slick move.
Watch and learn guys, watch and learn.

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avoiding the lorax on Crion

We had no worry as we knew nothing of threat.

Now we know better. Aye its a trick. But we need some defences against them. One asteroid could kill all of mankind.

We need defences. Don,t see US building one...

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To be fair, Russia is home to the two most well known meteor events in human memory; Tunguska and Chelyabinsk. Plus we've been observing the effects of the Shoemaker-Levy 9 on Jupiter (impacted in 1994).

So maybe there's an ulterior motive. What else is new?

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The first wiped out hundreds if not thousands of sqaure miles.

If that hit a city.....that was a small one!

Big ones, no one lives.

We probbly should consider our defences vs such, a ok idea to invest in.

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 jhe90 wrote:
We need defences. Don,t see US building one...


The US has shown the ability to shoot Satellites down, which isn't that much of a stretch from shooting down meteors. But yeah. The US hasn't exactly been pushing any charge to develop any kind of early warning or interception system. That's as far as I know been almost entirely Russia the past few years (with some UN backing).

   
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 jhe90 wrote:
We had no worry as we knew nothing of threat.

Now we know better. Aye its a trick. But we need some defences against them. One asteroid could kill all of mankind.

We need defences. Don,t see US building one...


The movies got it right on this one. Any rock big enough to put a KT end size crater on earth would be spotted with time to put nukes into orbit as a reaction.
The methods already exist. With a balls-to-the-wall need the US could reactivate and load up a space shuttle in a frction of the time it would require for a normal NASA 'orbital mission'. Russia is in an even better position because of the ongoing use and sheer versatility of Soyuz. Many Soyuz flights are unmanned supply flights. A Soyuz module capable of reaching the ISS with a payload of several monthso of supplies is able to reach an incoming rock with a large nuke, and Russia already has the infrastructure to spam build Soyuz.

Having a prepared readily triggerable missile launch system capable of exiting earth orbit is a scary proposition in a field which is scary enough.
Putin will be able to slash the reaction time for a global strike and people are still thinking 'meteors'.


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 LordofHats wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
We need defences. Don,t see US building one...


The US has shown the ability to shoot Satellites down, which isn't that much of a stretch from shooting down meteors. But yeah. The US hasn't exactly been pushing any charge to develop any kind of early warning or interception system. That's as far as I know been almost entirely Russia the past few years (with some UN backing).


Actually the early warning system is largely initiated from US and UK amateur radio astronomers, then became a global watch. This is less ridiculous than it sounds, most astronomical observations come from amateurs, because of the sheer number of eyes on the sky. Though specialist units like Hubble do stuff that cant be done by anyone else.

The first ever tracked impact occurred in 2008 in the Sahara desert. It was discovered by American amateurs who raised an 'alert' which served as a very good reaction test. The rock exploded over Sudan and a science team was able to recover fragments quickly. That rock was harmlessly small, and was only tracked with about 19 hours notice. A citybuster, or dinokiller sized object will be seen from a lot further away and once confirmed I think there will be a lot of cooperation to get rid of it.

Here we go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_TC3

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True, all interesting points.

Yeah, big rock we see coming and Nations when it comes down to wartime/disastir mode can move very fast to bring things online or bring new tech from drawing board to deployment.

Missliles on subs are maintained at a high readyness though, no nuclear sub needs days to fire. There not as big but still ling range icbm that can fire quickly.

Given the world, I don,t see Putin as silly for wanting to upgrade icbm forces.

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Russia's got this...

Seems to happen all the time:


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 whembly wrote:
Russia's got this...

Seems to happen all the time:



About once a century.

It isn't too surprising both notable impacts in recorded memory occurred over Russia, largest country and all.

Please remember there has never been a recorded case of someone being killed by a meteorite, ever. It is likely to have happened sometime, probably to a medieval farmer or neolithic aboriginal.
As threats go there are far bigger ones to worrit over.


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While a meteorite impact is unlikely, given the devastation even a small one can cause I think having a few missiles capable of knocking one away is a good idea.

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Instead of a meteor hitting the earth in one piece, you'll have a handful of radioactive meteors hitting the earth.

Much better!

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Not really. Unless they hit the meteor in the upper atmosphere instead of at a point where even a slight course change will make it miss Earth.

And if the pieces get blown small enough they'll burn up instead of making it through the atmosphere. And any fallout which does make it through is going to be negligible, especially compared to letting a large asteroid hit us.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
And if the pieces get blown small enough they'll burn up instead of making it through the atmosphere. And any fallout which does make it through is going to be negligible, especially compared to letting a large asteroid hit us.


This would be one of the more reliable options I think. Blow the rock into small enough pieces that they burn up on entry, or are simply small enough that even if they make it through entry the damage they can do is minimal.

   
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'Motherland' surely.

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 Orlanth wrote:

Putin will be able to slash the reaction time for a global strike and people are still thinking 'meteors'.



The nuclear triad has basically made second-strike trivial. I'm not sure what difference it makes if Russia gets spammed by 3/3 of our nukes, or just 2/3 of our nukes. It's still Book of Eli all over the world.

To expand, if Putin's goals extend beyond meteors (which they probably do), then the issue probably has more to do with smaller rogue states than with the West.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And if the pieces get blown small enough they'll burn up instead of making it through the atmosphere. And any fallout which does make it through is going to be negligible, especially compared to letting a large asteroid hit us.


This would be one of the more reliable options I think. Blow the rock into small enough pieces that they burn up on entry, or are simply small enough that even if they make it through entry the damage they can do is minimal.


Indeed, although really a nuclear warhead might not even be necessary. The impact of the missile itself could easily be enough to move the rock off course enough to not hit us. Even the tiniest course correction is a big deal in space, and would be a little cheaper as you wouldn't need an expensive nuclear bomb.

Of course that might not work against a big asteroid, in which case you do need a missile with some sort of penetration followed by a warhead detonation.

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 Orlanth wrote:
'Motherland' surely.

No. Russian language has multiple words for 'homeland'. In this case, the correct term in Russian would be "zashitnika otyechyestva" (defender of the fatherland, in which "otyechyestva" is usually translated as fatherland, as it derives from "otyech", meaning father).
"Otyechyestva" is a bit of a fancy, official word. The more commonly used word in Russian is "rodina". Literally that means something more like birth-place, origin-place or family-place rather than motherland, but it is usually translated to motherland in English (mothers give birth, after all).

But fatherland is the correct translation in this case, and the idea that Russians are always shouting about "Mother Russia!" is another one of those horrid stereotypes that exist in the West about Russia. In actuality, Russians refer to "Mother Russia" about as much as Americans refer to "Uncle Sam".
It would be interesting to see where this "Mother Russia" stereotype comes from though.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
And if the pieces get blown small enough they'll burn up instead of making it through the atmosphere. And any fallout which does make it through is going to be negligible, especially compared to letting a large asteroid hit us.


This would be one of the more reliable options I think. Blow the rock into small enough pieces that they burn up on entry, or are simply small enough that even if they make it through entry the damage they can do is minimal.


Indeed, although really a nuclear warhead might not even be necessary. The impact of the missile itself could easily be enough to move the rock off course enough to not hit us. Even the tiniest course correction is a big deal in space, and would be a little cheaper as you wouldn't need an expensive nuclear bomb.

Of course that might not work against a big asteroid, in which case you do need a missile with some sort of penetration followed by a warhead detonation.


Would it be better to hit it and knock it into tiny pieces, or would it be enough/better to detonate a nuclear warhead near it to push it off course?
   
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Well putting it off course would be the best. Aiming for shattering might leave the possibility for harmful sized chunks to still be around, though less than if the whole thing hit.

A particularly large asteroid would be tougher to steer off course, but also more difficult to break into harmless chunks.

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First of all, the USA has actually already set up an "early warning" system of sorts. Skywatch already have been documenting near earth meteors and earth intercept meteors as well.

The second is that there still is a ban on detonating nuclear weapons in space and that I would assume would still go for meteor intercepts.

wow, Putin is really trolling at the moment, and trying to push the limits.


 
   
 
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