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Just after a little bit of feedback. After umming and ahhing about starting a hh army for a couple of years, I've finally gotten into it. It took me a while because the legions I like I don't like the character or special unit models for. The other legions just don't interest me (apart from Iron Warriors, but having a 5k grey knight army, don't want another silver power armour army). When BaC came out, it was the perfect opportunity to start another long intended project, a crimson fist army. I bought some fw upgrades, and built it to be used for 30k or 40k. I got Polux and Pedro, so the army is either fists at their inception at the second founding, or having to reuse relic armour after the devastation of Rynn's world and the loss of their armouries.

So I had my first games this week using Imperial Fist rules, and really enjoyed it, and quite fancy going to battle brothers or throne of skulls with it when it's finished. So here's my question, what reaction will I likely get by not having 'proper' legion colours? I really don't care about other peoples opinions, the army is all 30k models, fist insignia and polux in charge, but I don't want to have a dozen Muppets moaning about it being 'wrong' or trying to correct me and telling me I should be using black shield rules. Will I get hassle over it, or would it not even get mentioned?


Cheers for any input.

They're your little plastic space men, ultimately it's up to you what colours you paint them with. That said, do make it clear they're Imperial fists, as if someone turned up with an army of sons of horus and told me they were blood angels just for the special rules I'd feel a little bit cheesed. That said there were many variant and alternate schemes for all the legions, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Imperial fists potentially with a lot of another colour, such as red or blue, just as long as it is clear they're imperial fists I'd definitely have nothing against it.

30k as a whole is vastly fluff driven. And so are it's players for the most part. I have seen BaC Start to draw in what could be called the "power gaming crowd" but the vast majority play for the fluff.

If you have a good reason why your imperal fists look like Crimson fist during a Great Crusade/Heresy Era/Scouring themed game that isn't made out of what we call "Handwavium" or "cus the warp". You're likely to not only NOT get guff but find people who are interested to hear your personal story behind your company/chapter/section of the Imperial Fists Legion.

I completely agree that people should paint their models however they want, which is why I am, I just don't want to have to remind other people of that fact too much.

They are going to be very clearly fists, got the fw transfer sheet so the icon will be everywhere, so there will be no deception.


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@ Angelos that's my worry exactly.

My idea is just that it is the cf in their very first days. They'd be using the same equipment as heresy as it was just after, and traitor legions would still be being hunted, returning to raid for supplies, or attacking imperial worlds. Against loyalists could be training exercises as a part of supporting new chapters.

I don't think you need more justification than "Crimson Fists look good", really, but saying that your force is roughly based on their founding days is a nice one.

 JamesY wrote:
I completely agree that people should paint their models however they want, which is why I am, I just don't want to have to remind other people of that fact too much.

They are going to be very clearly fists, got the fw transfer sheet so the icon will be everywhere, so there will be no deception.


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@ Angelos that's my worry exactly.

My idea is just that it is the cf in their very first days. They'd be using the same equipment as heresy as it was just after, and traitor legions would still be being hunted, returning to raid for supplies, or attacking imperial worlds. Against loyalists could be training exercises as a part of supporting new chapters.

Fair enough but they are still imperial fists and would not be crimson fist coloured, only parts of the armour possibly, otherwise I'd suggest NOT using imp fists per se, but use the shattered Legion rules, this would allow your idea and fit the fluff.

I'd suggest the following.

HQ alexis polux "the crimson fist"
Legion trait: imperial fists
Secondly HQ: either an ultramarine, blood angel, salamander, iron warrior or dark angel. These represent the Legions present at the unremembered empire post phall battle.

Then fill in the rest of your force as you see fit, this would make a strongly themed force and allow you to paint "some" of your fists the colour you want, but keeping with fluff.

Hoped this helped.

@Formosa it does help, because it's an honest representation of the comments and suggestions I'd likely encounter outside my normal group of friends. Tbh, I'm only taking Polux to help make it clear which legion it is. That and the paint job on his model is starting to look pretty good so far. I'd probably just go for a praetor otherwise.

I don't want to have to use a concoction of rules, or buy units I don't really want to satisfy other gamer's sense of what is 'correct'. I would like to use the list I've already put together, with the correct models, just in a different colour.

I suppose it boils down to, am I being unreasonable in wanting to paint my imperial fist army a different colour, and wanting to use that army in an event? Also, would TO have an issue with it?

 JamesY wrote:


I suppose it boils down to, am I being unreasonable in wanting to paint my imperial fist army a different colour, and wanting to use that army in an event? Also, would TO have an issue with it?

This of course is always going to be up to the event organizer but keep in mind that thus far most 30k events ARE themed and fluff oriented so it's possible that you may catch flack for them being full on Crimson Fists.

A standard punch face and be the best type tournament however. In all Likelihood you'll be fine.

You can always say that it's an Alpha Legion plot.

@rosebuddy That thought did cross my mind...

Frankly, you're asking the wrong people.

I'm very much of the opinion that I'd rather face an army that follows its own path than slavishly follows whatever the studio have decided is the "right" way to do things. My armies are littered with proxies, conversions and third party pieces, and I'm not above choosing the codex that I feel best allows me to represent what I wish to portray on the table. My own EC Legion is also being simultaneously assembled as a 40K CSM force, for instance, so I have a Helldrake and Maulerfiend in Legion livery (despite the fact that 40K EC are supposed to have abandoned the purple) and I'm using Loyalist bits (because EC Legion livery means the Aquila is ok.)

However, a meltagun is always a meltagun, a Sgt will always be visually different to the rank and file, etc, etc.

But what I think doesn't matter, as while I think I'd probably be in the majority thinking, if the TO and 3 or 4 people you end up being drawn against are less relaxed about the whole thing, you're going to get it in the neck regardless.

Hi Az,

I'm in complete agreement on building the army however you want and using whatever rules suit. I really can't be bothered with having to explain/justify/apologise for having done my own thing though to too many people who might take issue with my choice. How many people might react badly was what I was hoping to gauge, so if I'm asking the wrong people, who are the right ones? I'd contact a TO about it in advance so that would be easy enough, and if was an issue for them I just wouldn't go. I don't want to be repeating 'look, they're my models, I can do what I want with them' more than once.

The TO is the only one who's important in terms of playing the army, if he/she's ok with it, then it's gonna fly regardless.

But you only have to wander around a few of the sub fora to see that no matter how apparently reasonable a position appears to be, there'll be some special snowflake who takes issue with it.

Even if it's a small % of the player base, in a reasonably well attended event the odds are good you'll encounter one opponent who'll laugh through his nose at your "ignorance of the fluff" or, worse yet, get drive bys mid game.

Honestly, it's gonna happen, and if it's really going to bother you either rethink the army or attending events with it.

Or put a hammer in your minis case.

One or two eejits I don't mind, I just don't want a full day of it. I'm probably over thinking it in honesty, I just remember the stuff people used to whinge about when I was reffing at events (although that was mostly kids, and the occasional teacher).

Rather than a hammer I'd probably stick rt in my bag and hit them with that instead.

I don't think many will take issue with it. You're just using 30k rules to represent a chapter back when it had all of the wargear that went out of use in the eons leading up to M41.