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Is there a specific reason for Abadadon not being ascended to a daemon prince?

AFAIK, he doesn't want to be one yet. The general idea is that he'll accept his ascension only once he has conquered Earth and claimed the Golden Throne.

He's not worthy enough I guess? Lots of failed crusades will do that to ya.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's not worthy enough I guess? Lots of failed crusades will do that to ya.

They weren't failed, he achieved his objectives. They weren't all meant to take Terra.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
He's not worthy enough I guess? Lots of failed crusades will do that to ya.

They weren't failed, he achieved his objectives. They weren't all meant to take Terra.

This.

As far as the original question, the Chaos Gods are quite happy with Abaddon as he is.

No arms= No daemonhood

Really though, I just dont think he wants to go daemon yet. He is one of those bad asses that tells the gods what he wants to do

He basically refuses the promotion every time.

A Demon Prince is irrevocably tied to Chaos. It loses some of the initiative and free will that a human, even one as touched by Chaos as Abbadon, possesses. If Abbadon were to ascend it would be more difficult for him to lead a Black Crusade than it is as a Chaos Marine.

I doubt that Abbadon has any real say in the timing of his ascension. One simply does not say 'no' to the Chaos Gods, even when is one is favorite of the Big Four. However, I rather imagine that the Big Four would squabble endlessly about his ascension when/if the time comes. No one would want a Demon Prince who not only has all four marks, but has the potential to master Chaos rather than be mastered by it.

Each Chaos god would probably prefer that Abbadon died rather than ascended if they can't have him for their very own. They would likely resort to murder rather than risk his uncontrolled apotheosis.

Also, in fairness, some of the Black Crusades have been failures. Others have been successful in achieving their (limited) goals. I am perpetually annoyed by those who call him 'Fail-adon' because he hasn't conquered the Imperium to date. That's a rather narrow view propagated by Chaos-haters. Abbadon is a canny campaigner, schemer and strategist whose end game has yet to be revealed.

Truth in advertising, I dislike Abbadon. A lot. He's way too Mary Sue for my taste. But anyone who assumes every Black Crusade has failed is just cherry picking the fluff and ignoring the fact that every narrator in the 40k universe is biased and unreliable.

My two cents.

I don't think you get a choice in princedom; you get pumped full of warp and either have the raw will to channel it or get turned into a spawn.

Even if Zeke were worthy I doubt the big 4 want to repeat the same mistake they made with Be'lakor, so maybe that's the key.

What happened with Be'lakor? Havnt heard of him before.

 Boggy Man wrote:
I don't think you get a choice in princedom; you get pumped full of warp and either have the raw will to channel it or get turned into a spawn.

Even if Zeke were worthy I doubt the big 4 want to repeat the same mistake they made with Be'lakor, so maybe that's the key.

I've yet to see the Chaos Gods going around turning worthy people randomly into daemon princes.
The process of getting turned into a daemon prince pretty much works like this everytime I have read about it:
1. You need to worship Chaos
2. You need to do something capable of attracting the attention of at least one of the gods.
3. You need to hold a ritual in which you dedicate your achievement to one of the gods and request ascension.
4. The god needs to accept and bestow daemonhood on you.
5. You need to be capable of handling the resulting ascension, lest you get turned into spawn.
6. You need to avoid being punched in the face by Captain Titus (protip: wear a helmet)

So if Abbadon just isn't interested in becoming a daemon and doesn't do the whole ritual stuff, then I don't think the gods are going to turn him into a daemon just because. I mean, what reason do they have to turn Abbadon into a daemon yet?

H signed a contract and got the benefits now and as soon as he fulfill his end of the bargain, the chaos gods will give him a double helping of chaos mutation so much he might become a spawn.

He lost his chance after Old Man Eldrad gave him a wuppin and chased him off his lawn.

Kar Athri wrote:
What happened with Be'lakor? Havnt heard of him before.

Be'lakor the Dark Master, who in the current fluff is meant to be the only Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided (or at least, the only DP of Chaos Undivided that was blessed by the big 4 Gods). He's also the first Damon Prince.
Basically the Chaos Gods can't really control him as he doesn't belong to any one of them so he just goes around doing what he wants most of the time... which is to be a jealous agent of darkness who tries to undermine anyone who looks like they might achieve the favour of the Chaos Gods and gain a similar state to himself.

If Abaddon ever looked like he'd become a DP, Be'lakor would swoop in and undermine his favour, either by making him fail for real or by causing an 'accident' to happen.

Plus the big 4 kinda see Be'lakor as a mistake... so it's unlikely they'd even work together to ascend Abaddon.

The four gods are very unlikely to work togheter for something like this.

One of themm could offer abadon accension but he would be a fool to accept is as he would lose the support of the other 3.

The god wouldn't push it as doing so would anger the other 3.

Abadon yust isn't worth enough for anny of themm too risk it.

Amoras wrote:

Abadon yust isn't worth enough for anny of themm too risk it.

If I recall correctly a Chaos Codex (or maybe the Black Legion supplement) said that each of the Ruinous Powers craves Abaddon's support just for themselves which would allow them to become dominant (in the Eye of Terror at least). Thus far he has refused as he sees himself as using them rather than the other way round.

I thought the old fluff read that Abaddon kept REFUSING daemonhood so far...

Also, given that Alibabadoobadon wants to go to Terra and sucker punch the Big E, being transformed into a Daemon that can only manifest in real space through significant warp expenditures would be counter-productive. It would be like buying a yacht to go to Vegas. Yes, the yacht is nicer than your car, but it's not going to get you to Nevada.

Warboss Gorhack wrote:
that every narrator in the 40k universe is biased and unreliable.

You see, you say that, but strangely whenever I hear that quote (not from you necessarly) its ALWAYS targetted towards the Imperium, as if they were the only unreliable ones. Who's to say Abaddon's not lying through his teeth to cover up his failures?

If I recall correctly a Chaos Codex (or maybe the Black Legion supplement) said that each of the Ruinous Powers craves Abaddon's support just for themselves which would allow them to become dominant (in the Eye of Terror at least). Thus far he has refused as he sees himself as using them rather than the other way round.

This.

Abbadon doesn't want to be a Daemon Prince. He's far more bothered about 'mundane' power and - above all - revenge.

The gods individualy would love to have Abbadon as a daemon prince, but a Daemon Prince would be a servant to that God specifically so he's not keen on the idea.

As noted, he wouldn't really have much choice in the matter - if a God decides to ascend you you have limited choice in the matter, but corporately the Gods don't want to see any one member getting Abbadon as a servant. So they can only ascend him if he agrees, because they're not going to agree to do it jointly - because of what happened with Be'Lakor.

Abaddon, should he be elevated to Daemonhood, would inextricably be tied to the Warp also. Angrons defeat on Armageddon was largely down to him requiring to erect temples on the planets surface to maintain the nearby warp storm. Having to do that possibly on each and every planet enroute to Terra would be a major drawback for Abaddon, even with the Crimson Path.

locarno24 wrote:

As noted, he wouldn't really have much choice in the matter - if a God decides to ascend you you have limited choice in the matter, but corporately the Gods don't want to see any one member getting Abbadon as a servant. So they can only ascend him if he agrees, because they're not going to agree to do it jointly - because of what happened with Be'Lakor.

This is true, but I have issue with this. What of Perturabo and Lorgar? Old fluff granted, but the only fluff from what I know that actually mentions these Daemon Primarchs ascension. I think it would be a great shame to have only Be'lakor as the only Prince of undivided.

IA: Word Bearers
As time passed and the atrocities carried out in the name of Lorgar rose to new heights, he was rewarded by his patrons with the gift of daemonhood. Now he truly was the equal of a god, and the birth scream of this newest daemon of Chaos was said by Astropaths to have echoed through the warp with triumphant vindication.

IA: Iron Warrior
The gene-seed captured was sacrificed to the Dark Gods in return for Perturabo`s elevation to Daemon Prince. One insult had been avenged, and since then the Iron Warriors have lived only to settle accounts with the corpse on the Golden Throne.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Kar Athri wrote:
What happened with Be'lakor? Havnt heard of him before.

Be'lakor the Dark Master, who in the current fluff is meant to be the only Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided (or at least, the only DP of Chaos Undivided that was blessed by the big 4 Gods). He's also the first Damon Prince.
Basically the Chaos Gods can't really control him as he doesn't belong to any one of them so he just goes around doing what he wants most of the time... which is to be a jealous agent of darkness who tries to undermine anyone who looks like they might achieve the favour of the Chaos Gods and gain a similar state to himself.

If Abaddon ever looked like he'd become a DP, Be'lakor would swoop in and undermine his favour, either by making him fail for real or by causing an 'accident' to happen.

Plus the big 4 kinda see Be'lakor as a mistake... so it's unlikely they'd even work together to ascend Abaddon.

IIRC, Belakor was blessed by the 4 and given enormous power, comparable to the Daemon Lords and Daemon Primarchs, but because he held no allegiance to any god, he wasn't subject the usual rule that Daemons are mere extensions of their patron's willpower. In WHFB, rest in pieces, he was then cursed by the four to eternally serve the Everchosen and he had to be the one to crown their latest champion, something that infuriated him as he was the prime candidate for their victory (and doubtfully Sigmar's realm could have opposed him like they did with mortal champions). I assume he serves a similar purpose in 40k, a powerful Daemon with free will, shackled to serve Abaddon because he can't take over himself.

I will also point out that both Perturabo and Lorgar are Daemon Princes of Undivided as per last fluff, and since the 6th Ed codex at least, this makes the trio the only remaining undivided princes.

Because he has no arms to ascend with him.

He refuses the power of daemon hood for one simple reason.


Daemons live in the warp and are bound to its power. Terra is in the mortal realm and Abbadon wants to burn it to the ground,


Only once Terra is ashes, will he then have permission to ascend.

Ok, this question comes up a lot.

This is from Arron Dembski Bowden's own blog about Abaddon. He is a Black Library author and he wrote Talon of Horus.

https://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/lets-talk-about-abaddon/

I love that Abaddon is a much more complex character than people understand or give him credit for. Failed Crusades you say? Yea...no

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Ok, this question comes up a lot.

This is from Aaron Dembski Bowden's own blog about Abaddon. He is a Black Library author and he wrote Talon of Horus.

https://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/lets-talk-about-abaddon/

I love that Abaddon is a much more complex character than people understand or give him credit for. Failed Crusades you say? Yea...no

For the most part, he achieves his objectives. Sow as much destruction and anarchy throughout the Imperium while picking up some cool toys to kill stuff with. Horus was direct but overconfident. Going straight for Terra was a huge gamble that ultimately cost him the war. Abaddon is playing the long game, though, to his mind, he isn't a servant of the Dark Gods but using them to further his own agenda. Bare in mind that he is quite mad lol.