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Crystal-Maze wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

DorianGray wrote:
I thought only the first born was a hyrid and the rest of the kids were normal humans?

Also you guys are all forgetting just how hot and attractive your girlfriend/wife is.

Like Amy Adams hot. Or XXX (whoever you want) hot. And they want it now.

I highly HIGHLY doubt anyone here can resist that.

Nope. All your children forever. Also, you don't care about how hot your girlfriend/wife/beard is. You no longer have a choice about sex. You must have it. Have fun being raped over, and over, and over again by the alien parasite controlling your every move.

Except you aren't being raped. The brain change is a permanent alteration changing your mental pathways so you become a nymphomaniac. Everything is consensual because the current state of being is consumed by lust.

If you drug somebody so that they became consumed by lust and seem like they really want sex, then have sex with them, IT IS STILL RAPE.

If you happen to stumble across somebody in a bar whom you know somebody else has drugged so that they become consumed by lust and seem like they really want sex, then have sex with them, IT IS STILL RAPE.

The fact that you can't see why this situation is rape, and the multiple ways in which several posters have pointed out why the OP is gross, is one of the reasons we need better sex-ed in our schools.

CONSENT, BY SOMEONE IN CONTROL OF THEIR POWERS OF REASON, IS WHAT MAKES IT SEX AND NOT RAPE.

Nope. Brain chemistry is altered. This is no different than how you are a completely different person from when you are an adult to a child, or how a person with a mental illness is completely unrecognizable from a saner, younger version of themselves in the past. You are physically incapable of not giving consent because a Genestealer turns you into an insane nymphomaniac. It isn't rape because it is what YOU desire, as your brain has been irreversibly altered by being directly rewired so you experience nothing but pleasure, and desire nothing more than endless sex to spread you alien tainted DNA. It would be rape if you were still conscious of your original thought patterns and hated/tried to resist being a nympho but were pushed to it regardless. However, this is not how Genestealers function, because they basically kill your old identity and create a new incarnation that will blindly slave itself to the greater good of the hive mind.

You are in control when a Genestealer mutates you, and you are constantly consenting, because the only thing you desire now in existence is siring as many children as possible for the Hive.

So if a neurosurgeon lobotomised you (not a hypothetical woman, which I think the thread has demonstrated that people don't give two figs about) in such a way that you consented vociferously to having sex with his friends, repeatedly, you don't think that would be rape? You think we'd be trying the surgeon for GBH etc, but nobody would be raping you?

No it would not, because that is the permanent state in which the brain would be in- the self is altered forever. This is not like slipping somebody a roofie and having sex with them while they are inebriated by it, that is a temporary modification to the brain, and purely by chemical release, not by taking scalpels and wires to the brain to completely change how thought functions in that individual. This is directly altering, for good, how their very identity is perceived and how their thoughts are processed. This is the self, the true self and how the self thinks. You cannot be raped if you consent to sex after such an alteration because that is how your brain works now. It is no different than how you brain functioned previously, in that it is simply how you perceive the world and make decisions. Just quite simply, it is -you-, even if it was altered against your will, the way your mind works is -you-. Any actions you take you are still directly responsible for, and any sex had after such permanent alteration will be consensual if the present self consents to it.

You think of it like a drug, but altering the pathways of the mind so dramatically is nothing like being slipped a date rape drug. This is like the difference between you and your identity fifteen years ago, only changed over the course of a day. By your same proposed argument, I am being raped because my brain has had radical change in regards to its pathways for thought since I was five. My twenty-one year old self is wholly and utterly alien to my self being years and years ago. This difference in thought however does not mean that I am suddenly no longer responsible for my actions, nor that I am incapable of consent by lacking the reasoning to make such informed decisions at say, age five. But a person altered by a Genestealer is consenting every damn time. They know exactly what they're doing, and they want more of it so they can procreate for the good of the Hive.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Wyzilla - That's not consent, that's stockholm syndrome.

locarno24 wrote:

Before it was only the first born child with three arms and stuff. The 2nd+ children looked human. If ALL the kids are alien looking how would the cult be able to hide all of them?

No. The first and second generation looks like that. Their kids look slightly more human (the distorted-but-more-or-less-pass-for-human) 3rd/4th generation hybrids. The 5th generation are purestrains again.

The cult can hide them because by the time you've got a significant number of them you've also got dozens of families all enslaved and essentially control a town, village, or social/ethnic group within a city or hive.

Genestealers are societal predators. Individual hybrids and brood brethren aren't the issue.

By the time you have one child, you have at least that many - it still takes nine months for the first generation hybrid to pop out, lol.

It's not stockholm syndrome. You fail to understand the nature of the brain and how it's nothing more than a computer. Your thoughts aren't being held hostage or anything, the programming has been completely overwritten and altered dramatically. Essentially, new coding has been added to the scripting of your brain, thus changing your behavior to suit the needs of the parasite RNA/DNA infecting your body. It's like dementia- the "real person" isn't "trapped" in the brain thus leading to weird and degenerating behavior. The brain is literally rotting and thus directly changing the identity of the person. Although unlike dementia, a genestealer victim is by and large still capable of making informed rational choice- however their social behavior has been altered to increase the desire to procreate and replacing/altering the instinctual urge to protect the family to protect the Hive.

Really when you get down to it, it's just altering the pathing of an AI in a videogame, only it is obviously exponentially more complex given the nature of a chemical computer like the human brain, which is ludicrously complex and ludicrously powerful. But the concept is the same.

So you're saying it's effectively murder, because the person who might object no longer exists?

The Deathwatch novel goes into quite icky detail about how unpleasant this process can be for the mothers.............who often don't survive.

You are either a member of the cult or dead (or wishing you were /both)

It won't be too bad a life as a cultist for a number of generations - then the Hive Fleet arrives and it all ends............ Its a bit like being a cultist of the Cthulhu Mythos really...

try this book - it will help :

http://www.amazon.com/What-When-You-Meet-Cthulhu/dp/1934501182

 Engine of War wrote:
I find the lack of purging disturbing....

Yeah.

And this thread definitely gets Dakka's "Most heretical thread of the month" award.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
So you're saying it's effectively murder, because the person who might object no longer exists?

It's no more murder than you murdered yourself by aging. Chalk it up rather to medical malpractice or illegal body modification.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
So you're saying it's effectively murder, because the person who might object no longer exists?

It's no more murder than you murdered yourself by aging. Chalk it up rather to medical malpractice or illegal body modification.

Really, it's only murder if you consider aliens killing humans to be murder. The Genestealer essentially erases who you are (kills you) and replaces you with its vision of what you should be.

Why would you even /want/ to procreate in the 40k universe? Is the 40k universe really a place you want to populate with children?

Is this universe?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Edit: Actually, I won't bother.

Yeah. This.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
So you're saying it's effectively murder, because the person who might object no longer exists?

It's no more murder than you murdered yourself by aging. Chalk it up rather to medical malpractice or illegal body modification.

Really, it's only murder if you consider aliens killing humans to be murder. The Genestealer essentially erases who you are (kills you) and replaces you with its vision of what you should be.

Except there is no death. Loss of identity, such as amnesia, is not death. It is the death of identity, but your consciousness does not suddenly cease to exist (which is what death/murder is), it is simply altered. And it is already being altered on a daily basis as your brain grows/dies, and forms new connections from new memories and thoughts. It's just this change would be a lot more sudden and far more dramatic, like the change in your thinking over a course of ten or twenty years.

Wait...what?!

First off the infected partner is going to force you to have sex with them, not the other way around. If you refuse he or she will rip your face off and find another partner.

Second, this is where the line is drawn? People are offended by non-consentual sex with infected people but war, murder, genocide and torture in the universe are ok? I know GW kind of white washes all the violence but it's there people. It's a grim dark universe where there is only war and every faction is a bad guy.

Last, all I am going to say is Slaanesh. Think about it.

Sometimes it is good to be reminded that this hobby is still populated by male teens with zero life experience, severe hormonal imbalances and an embarassing immaturity.






... This is not such a moment.

This sums up my feelings on the matter fairly well.

Couldn't you just get snipped/ get her tubes tied and then you're good to go? Being infected by a genestealer only really becomes a problem if you procreate. If we assume you actually have a perfect knowledge of how genestealers work, you can pay a doctor to take care of both of you, you don't even have to tell him why, and then you don't have to worry anymore. I'm sure there are SOME doctors on hive world's, where overpopulation has been a historical problem for a long time, that know how to do the procedure. Then you can adopt if you really want. You can probably buy a child dirt cheap from some wretch in the underhive if you want one.

...Perhaps I took this question more seriously than it deserves.

We wrote:
Wait...what?!

First off the infected partner is going to force you to have sex with them, not the other way around. If you refuse he or she will rip your face off and find another partner.

Second, this is where the line is drawn? People are offended by non-consentual sex with infected people but war, murder, genocide and torture in the universe are ok? I know GW kind of white washes all the violence but it's there people. It's a grim dark universe where there is only war and every faction is a bad guy.

Last, all I am going to say is Slaanesh. Think about it.

That's not the thing that has got people riled up. Its the fact that its real people on the internet saying that they'd have non-consentual sex with an infected woman. And the real people don't seem to have any concept of why that's messed up, which makes me really hope that no woman ever lets them anywhere near her.


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I mean, even -if- you wrangle the definitions so its not rape, the question still reads 'If somebody scooped out the shell of your girlfriend and put a mindless animal inside it, would you still have sex with it'.

This is horrible, people.

Crystal-Maze wrote:

We wrote:
Wait...what?!

First off the infected partner is going to force you to have sex with them, not the other way around. If you refuse he or she will rip your face off and find another partner.

Second, this is where the line is drawn? People are offended by non-consentual sex with infected people but war, murder, genocide and torture in the universe are ok? I know GW kind of white washes all the violence but it's there people. It's a grim dark universe where there is only war and every faction is a bad guy.

Last, all I am going to say is Slaanesh. Think about it.

That's not the thing that has got people riled up. Its the fact that its real people on the internet saying that they'd have non-consentual sex with an infected woman. And the real people don't seem to have any concept of why that's messed up, which makes me really hope that no woman ever lets them anywhere near her.


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I mean, even -if- you wrangle the definitions so its not rape, the question still reads 'If somebody scooped out the shell of your girlfriend and put a mindless animal inside it, would you still have sex with it'.

This is horrible, people.

Is that even how genestealers work though? From what I've read, people aren't a hollowed out shell after they get infected. They go on as normal, until they have a hybrid baby, at which point the genetic brainwashing kicks in. It's more like having consensual sex with someone who's been brainwashed to try and kill the president if they get near him. As long as you keep her away from the president, it's not a problem, and it's certainly not rape.

fallinq wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:

We wrote:
Wait...what?!

First off the infected partner is going to force you to have sex with them, not the other way around. If you refuse he or she will rip your face off and find another partner.

Second, this is where the line is drawn? People are offended by non-consentual sex with infected people but war, murder, genocide and torture in the universe are ok? I know GW kind of white washes all the violence but it's there people. It's a grim dark universe where there is only war and every faction is a bad guy.

Last, all I am going to say is Slaanesh. Think about it.

That's not the thing that has got people riled up. Its the fact that its real people on the internet saying that they'd have non-consentual sex with an infected woman. And the real people don't seem to have any concept of why that's messed up, which makes me really hope that no woman ever lets them anywhere near her.


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I mean, even -if- you wrangle the definitions so its not rape, the question still reads 'If somebody scooped out the shell of your girlfriend and put a mindless animal inside it, would you still have sex with it'.

This is horrible, people.

Is that even how genestealers work though? From what I've read, people aren't a hollowed out shell after they get infected. They go on as normal, until they have a hybrid baby, at which point the genetic brainwashing kicks in. It's more like having consensual sex with someone who's been brainwashed to try and kill the president if they get near him. As long as you keep her away from the president, it's not a problem, and it's certainly not rape.

Its not really how genestealers work, what I was saying was a refernece to this marvelous piece of contorted reasoning from Wyzilla:

Wyzilla wrote:
No it would not, because that is the permanent state in which the brain would be in- the self is altered forever. This is not like slipping somebody a roofie and having sex with them while they are inebriated by it, that is a temporary modification to the brain, and purely by chemical release, not by taking scalpels and wires to the brain to completely change how thought functions in that individual. This is directly altering, for good, how their very identity is perceived and how their thoughts are processed. This is the self, the true self and how the self thinks. You cannot be raped if you consent to sex after such an alteration because that is how your brain works now. It is no different than how you brain functioned previously, in that it is simply how you perceive the world and make decisions. Just quite simply, it is -you-, even if it was altered against your will, the way your mind works is -you-. Any actions you take you are still directly responsible for, and any sex had after such permanent alteration will be consensual if the present self consents to it.

You think of it like a drug, but altering the pathways of the mind so dramatically is nothing like being slipped a date rape drug. This is like the difference between you and your identity fifteen years ago, only changed over the course of a day. By your same proposed argument, I am being raped because my brain has had radical change in regards to its pathways for thought since I was five. My twenty-one year old self is wholly and utterly alien to my self being years and years ago. This difference in thought however does not mean that I am suddenly no longer responsible for my actions, nor that I am incapable of consent by lacking the reasoning to make such informed decisions at say, age five. But a person altered by a Genestealer is consenting every damn time. They know exactly what they're doing, and they want more of it so they can procreate for the good of the Hive.

In answer to your post Fallinq, the following is taken from lexicanum:

"The host victims, or Contagii, return to their own societies and begin to have an urgent need to find a mate and begin a family. This mate also becomes infected with Genestealer DNA.[6] Contagii still physically resemble other members of their species, though they may have a slight blue or mauve pallor to their skin and can be psychically controlled by the Patriach to become mindless slaves, making them the perfect infiltrators."

Its the 'urgent need to find a mate' bit that makes this question so damn rapey. If the woman in question doesn't get a choice about whether to have sex or not because her will has been consumed by a xenomorph on steroids, and you know her will has been consumed by a xenomorph on steroids, its rape.

By far one of the strangest threads I've seen in a while.
Moving swiflty on.....

 Ratius wrote:
By far one of the strangest threads I've seen in a while.
Moving swiflty on.....

Yes even by the standars of Dakka this is indeed disturbing

Crystal-Maze wrote:

We wrote:
Wait...what?!

First off the infected partner is going to force you to have sex with them, not the other way around. If you refuse he or she will rip your face off and find another partner.

Second, this is where the line is drawn? People are offended by non-consentual sex with infected people but war, murder, genocide and torture in the universe are ok? I know GW kind of white washes all the violence but it's there people. It's a grim dark universe where there is only war and every faction is a bad guy.

Last, all I am going to say is Slaanesh. Think about it.

That's not the thing that has got people riled up. Its the fact that its real people on the internet saying that they'd have non-consentual sex with an infected woman. And the real people don't seem to have any concept of why that's messed up, which makes me really hope that no woman ever lets them anywhere near her.


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I mean, even -if- you wrangle the definitions so its not rape, the question still reads 'If somebody scooped out the shell of your girlfriend and put a mindless animal inside it, would you still have sex with it'.

This is horrible, people.

But again, the infected girlfriend is going to be the one out to rape you. She is going to want to procreate in order to increase the cult.

I see that this thread full of HERESY is still ongoing....

@Wyzilla, so if a person is drugged up beyond all recognition and their mind is completely gone or simply replaced because they are so utterly doped out that they can never string a coherent though together again, is it consensual? If a perfectly normal person suffered from brain damage and was left hospital bound for the rest of their life with no comprehension of anything going on around them, is it consensual? Your logic with regards to Genestealers actively wiping the personality/mind of the host and it somehow still being consensual "because they are a different person" is disturbing at best and utterly disgusting at worst. While it is a unique case because the Genestealers essentially replace the mind of the host, the original person is still being raped. If I am being mind controlled to have sex with another person that I would otherwise never sleep with, is it consensual on my part? The answer is an unequivocal NO.


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And with that, I'm out. This thread can wallow in the depths of its own depravity. Shame on you OP.

Damn it, how about an option with a happy ending? It's either genestealer infestation or quarantine, which, in 40k universe, doesn't sound so very attractive

Caederes wrote:
@Wyzilla, so if a person is drugged up beyond all recognition and their mind is completely gone or simply replaced because they are so utterly doped out that they can never string a coherent though together again, is it consensual? If a perfectly normal person suffered from brain damage and was left hospital bound for the rest of their life with no comprehension of anything going on around them, is it consensual? Your logic with regards to Genestealers actively wiping the personality/mind of the host and it somehow still being consensual "because they are a different person" is disturbing at best and utterly disgusting at worst. While it is a unique case because the Genestealers essentially replace the mind of the host, the original person is still being raped. If I am being mind controlled to have sex with another person that I would otherwise never sleep with, is it consensual on my part? The answer is an unequivocal NO.


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And with that, I'm out. This thread can wallow in the depths of its own depravity. Shame on you OP.

No, because they have entered a state similar to somebody with dementia where their brain cells have simply been slaughtered by a chemical cocktail. The issue with a Genestealer is that it does not temporarily change the chemicals in the brain like a drug, thus making some functions simply impossible (like consent), but flips a biological switch and sends the host into overdrive in a lust for more children (almost a bit like what happens to us already, only dialed up to eleven). It is consensual because they completely desire it, and no harm comes to them in the process (indeed, a genestealer corrupted human is more likely to be the rapist as they desire more children, thus driving them to stalk for more "mates"). This isn't a drug that either permanently kills off so much of your brain you're rendered a drooling incoherent incompetent or a temporary muddling of judgement so you'll wake up tomorrow with an STD's a crying liver from copious amounts of ingested alcohol. This is a complete change of the mind itself so from there on your logical thought process demands you sire offspring. You aren't being raped, because you want it with every essence of your being. This isn't a drug you wake up from and suddenly regret your decisions, the Genestealer permanently renders you a nymphomaniac. That is you, the definition of you, and thus all actions taken are consensual, because you yourself initiated them on your own initiative, by your own logic.

I've honestly never seen such an amazing combination of heresy and autism before.

10/10, would bleach eyes again

this poll shows why we as a race are doomed KB, too many of us would stick with our obviously extinction level event wives

kb_lock wrote:
I've honestly never seen such an amazing combination of heresy and autism before.

10/10, would bleach eyes again

Yeah. This thread is like a bad car accident. You know you want to turn away and not look. But morbid curiosity compels you to do other wise


The HERESY in this thread multiplies my URGE TO PURGE (with Holy Promethium).

 thekingofkings wrote:
this poll shows why we as a race are doomed KB, too many of us would stick with our obviously extinction level event wives

Everyone here is being all noble and saying heresy but the simple matter is 90% of people will just want to get laid. That is FACT.

As a loyal Imperial citizen and worshiper of the God Emperor I would find it my sacred duty to PURGE my wife/girlfriend in the event that she was a threat to the Imperium.