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2016/03/01 01:19:00
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
You've really got to be a special kind of dirtbag dad for your kids to not want to be around you...
Oh...wait...he is a special kind of dirtbag.
Fox News host Bill O’Reilly finally lost a years-long battle with his own children over his right to have custody of them. A New York appeals court put an end to the protracted family battle by affirming a lower court’s decision that O’Reilly’s teenage children don’t have to see him if they don’t want to and that they can live full-time with their mother, Maureen McPhilmy.
This is quite a slap in the face for O’Reilly, a man who never hestitated to lecture (mostly African-American) parents on how to raise their families. Even while privately fighting his ex-wife and his own children, the pundit felt brazenly self-assured in telling his viewers that letting their children listen to Beyonce causes teen pregnancy. In 2013, he wrote an op-ed suggesting liberal parents being too gentle with their kids has led to almost all of society’s ills. He used Miley Cyrus twerking at the MTV Music Awards as an example.
Of course, this being Fox, poor parents were an even more frequent target. Here is a typically shameful exchange O’Reilly had with a guest in 2015:
O’REILLY: OK. Let’s take your situation, all right? From what I understand from our research of you, in San Diego, when you were growing up, there was a six month period in 1983-84 where you were hungry; is that correct? As a child.
JOHNSON-HUSTON: I was homeless.
O’REILLY: You were homeless and hungry.
JOHNSON-HUSTON: Yes.
O’REILLY: And that is because your mother — no father, right?
JOHNSON-HUSTON: Father wasn’t around.
O’REILLY: OK. Your mother was an alcoholic, is that true?
JOHNSON-HUSTON: She had alcohol and drug issues, yes.
O’REILLY: OK. And drugs issues. Now, my point is: I feel terrible for you that you had to go through that, I really do. And I give literally hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities to help kids who are in your circumstance. You should know that.
JOHNSON-HUSTON: Thank you and I appreciate it.
O’REILLY: But that’s not society’s fault that your mother was a drug addict and alcoholic and you didn’t have a father. That’s not my fault. But that was my point and it was clearly made.
But while O’Reilly loves to take the moral high ground when lecturing his guests and audience, at home there is reason to believe he is an unequivocal monster. The “angry” persona he plays for his Fox News crowd apparently doesn’t go away when the cameras stop rolling. During the legal battle, all of O’Reilly’s skeletons came out of his closet and the picture was disturbing. In one example, leaked to the press, O’Reilly’s young daughter told a forensic examiner that she had watched O’Reilly brutally assault her mom in a fit of rage.
According to a source familiar with the facts of the case, a court-appointed forensic examiner testified at a closed hearing that O’Reilly’s daughter claimed to have witnessed her father dragging McPhilmy down a staircase by her neck, apparently unaware that the daughter was watching.
Later, O’Reilly attempted to destroy his ex-wife’s reputation, going so far as to attempt to use his clout as a Republican celebrity to get her excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.
The New York appeals court seems to have taken this pattern of abuse into account when they issued their ruling:
Viewing the totality of the circumstances, there is a sound and substantial basis for the Supreme Court’s determination that it is in the best interests of the children for the mother to be awarded primary residential custody. Particularly relevant in this case are the clearly stated preferences of the children, especially considering their age and maturity, and the quality of the home environment provided by the mother.
O’Reilly denies any and all of the allegations levied against him, but even if only some of them were true, it’s probably a very good thing that his children are allowed to stay away from his influence
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Altered the title a bit to make it less sarcastic
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Yeah, on the one hand I don’t want to revel in O’Reilly’s personal mess, whatever the truth is. On the other hand this does do a pretty good job of showing how superficial and empty his kind of ‘personal responsibility’ rhetoric really is.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2016/03/01 12:11:46
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
From years of personal experience on the subject
I am leery of the title and the point of the article. Without detailed information it was more likely that the ex spouse wanted custody of the kids.
Remember these actions are theoretically on behalf of the children. We were always being sued saying it was better for the kids and the kids wanted this or that.
46 suits later and each kid broke off contact with the sperm donor suing us saying the kids wanted to stay with him, pretty much the moment the each could drive and make their own decision. So I'm leery.
Further, this is just a hack attack because derp derp O'Reilly. Regardless of the true details we have a family in pain. Do we really need a thread to wallow in that pain?
Or in the words of the lawyer before Congressional commission: "have you no decency sir?" (sorry just love typing that whenever possible, this is not meant at the original poster).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2016/03/01 14:51:17
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Frazzled wrote:Do we really need a thread to wallow in that pain?
No, we do not. Putting aside the fact we know, for sure, we won't get the whole story, the custody of minor children is a private matter and reveling in this would be what is known in bird culture as "a dick move".
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2016/03/01 15:04:47
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Not just a public figure, but a CONSERVATIVE public figure. Because of that, we get to hoot and holler like Star Wars sand people because moral high ground!
And yes, I am more or less liberal, but it is disgusting to see exaltation of a family's collapse because of political leanings.
This kind of topic is usually covered by those women's interest magazines you see at grocery store checkout counters.
One thing we know is that divorces are messy. So are the ensuing custody challenges that follow. I'd like to point out that the author of that article really has no idea how good O'Reilly was as a father or what is going on behind the scenes in this custody case and neither does anyone else posting here.
2016/03/01 15:52:49
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Breotan wrote: This kind of topic is usually covered by those women's interest magazines you see at grocery store checkout counters.
One thing we know is that divorces are messy. So are the ensuing custody challenges that follow. I'd like to point out that the author of that article really has no idea how good O'Reilly was as a father or what is going on behind the scenes in this custody case and neither does anyone else posting here.
Having been divorced and saw the Abyss that the state can corner the father, in the name of "what's best for the children" trope, it's really, REALLY complicated and messy.
Copious amounts of salt is needed for any reporting here....
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2016/03/01 16:12:58
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Ouze wrote: reveling in this would be what is known in bird culture as "a dick move".
Call me a dick all you want, but that guy was due some serious karma. He had no problem commenting on other people's lives and families, often outright lying about them, he made a lucrative career out of bigotry and fearmongering. I feel sorry for his family, but the man himself deserves nothing better than to rot in the public eye. If I could throw rotten veg at him medieval style, then I would (assuming there was any left over from Kanye).
Knowing that somewhere in the world Bill O'Reilly might be feeling sad and regretting his life choices, just makes me wanna dance like I'm in a Taylor Swift video, what can I say... sorry (not at all sorry).
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2016/03/01 17:47:47
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
I agree...I feel sorry for his ex and his children, but in no way do I feel sorry for him.
Nor would I anybody of any political persuasion or religious denomination who were found to be such a stupendous hypocrite..to consistently drag others over the coals while hiding their own sordid life choices..that has zero to do with my feelings.
As Smack said: it is karma.
Wiccans/Pagans call it "the rule of three".
The Rule of Three (also Three-fold Law or Law of Return) is a religious tenet held by some Wiccans/Pagans. It states that whatever energy a person puts out into the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to that person three times.
He is reaping nothing more than he has sown.
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2016/03/01 17:57:09
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Breotan wrote: This kind of topic is usually covered by those women's interest magazines you see at grocery store checkout counters.
One thing we know is that divorces are messy. So are the ensuing custody challenges that follow. I'd like to point out that the author of that article really has no idea how good O'Reilly was as a father or what is going on behind the scenes in this custody case and neither does anyone else posting here.
Having been divorced and saw the Abyss that the state can corner the father, in the name of "what's best for the children" trope, it's really, REALLY complicated and messy.
Copious amounts of salt is needed for any reporting here....
You are all wise. After all, you're agreeing with me.
1) his daughter testified that she saw him abuse their mother
2) neither child want to live with him
3) he is a complete and utter hypocrite
The only thing that is clear is that there was a custody suit.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2016/03/01 18:13:06
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Frazzled wrote: From years of personal experience on the subject
I am leery of the title and the point of the article. Without detailed information it was more likely that the ex spouse wanted custody of the kids.
Remember these actions are theoretically on behalf of the children. We were always being sued saying it was better for the kids and the kids wanted this or that.
46 suits later and each kid broke off contact with the sperm donor suing us saying the kids wanted to stay with him, pretty much the moment the each could drive and make their own decision. So I'm leery.
Further, this is just a hack attack because derp derp O'Reilly. Regardless of the true details we have a family in pain. Do we really need a thread to wallow in that pain?
Or in the words of the lawyer before Congressional commission: "have you no decency sir?" (sorry just love typing that whenever possible, this is not meant at the original poster).
This times one thousand and one.
I've been through a divorce. Things are not so cut and dried as many would automatically assume. Most of the nasty little details on both sides of the aisle will never be known. Nor should they be.
But this will get turned into a circus, with a firestorm of speculation, assumptions, and revelry.
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2016/03/01 18:23:42
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Trust me, I have no love for Mr "you can't explain that".
But if you feel sorry for his kids, the "haha, you have a gakky dad" parade is a poor way of showing that.
The opening post makes it clear that this isn't even about showing he is a hypocrite. This is a thread that was started for the personal enjoyment about something bad happening to someone that OP doesn't like. And while I am all about pointing out hypocrisy, which can be done in this situation in a much more tasteful way, this goes past that IMO.
2016/03/01 18:28:17
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
curran12 wrote: Not just a public figure, but a CONSERVATIVE public figure. Because of that, we get to hoot and holler like Star Wars sand people because moral high ground!
Also, if he were a hypocrite and didn't believe that traditional family values were best, why would he be fighting his ex for custody of his children? From the quoted "shameful exchange" if he were a hypocrite he would have lost his kids in the divorce due to a combination of drug and alcohol addiction and truly not giving a gak about his kids.
"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Also, if he were a hypocrite and didn't believe that traditional family values were best, why would he be fighting his ex for custody of his children? From the quoted "shameful exchange" if he were a hypocrite he would have lost his kids in the divorce due to a combination of drug and alcohol addiction and truly not giving a gak about his kids.
I would posit that dragging your child's mother down the stairs by her neck in front of said child is evidence of not giving a gak.
But I am biased against "Mr" O'Reilly as I think he is a horrible, terrible little man.
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2016/03/01 20:40:20
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
His *teenage* children and ex wife were fighting for their right *not* to be forced to live with or visit him.
As I said previously, and I stand behind it: you need to be a special kind of dirtbag for your kids to not want anything to do with you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: You may have also forgotten, or perhaps not been aware of, asexual harassment lawsuit in 2004 against Billy boy.
There is plenty of publicly available evidence—thanks to a 2004 sexual harassment lawsuit filed by former Fox News producer Andrea Mackris—that O’Reilly engaged in lewd, highly sexual behavior with at least one other woman while he was married to McPhilmy. O’Reilly reached an out-of-court settlement with Mackris, but not before she filed an incredible 22-page affidavit detailing the precise methods of O’Reilly’s harassment, including transcripts from phone conversations in which the anchor insisted Mackris masturbate with a vibrator, bragged about attending “a sex show in Thailand,” and promised to fondle her vagina using a “falafel thing.”
Its like you have a personal thing to attack O'Reilly. There's so many other things to attack him on.
I make it a policy to leave the family out of political vendettas. Seriously, time to act like an adult here.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2016/03/01 22:05:58
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Your essentially getting involved in a personal matter for your amusement. As noted lets just not.
understand this is coming from someone who would have been in the spouse's position not O'Reilly's.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2016/03/01 23:22:48
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
Be very careful here. He *may* be a dirtbag. But kids will often want to be with one parent and not another based on a variety of reasons. Some get more freedom, money, etc. (Money can be a big, ugly motivator in family cases.) Not saying that was the case here, but as has been repeatedly pointed out, family cases are usually super messy and can often mislead a casual viewer.
We have a saying that the criminal courts are where bad people act good and the family courts are where good people act bad. I know defense attorneys who would rather handle a murder than get involved in a custody dispute!
Hypocrite he may be, but this stuff is kind of stuff is hard to take any kind of joy in. Hopefully, they can all move on.
-James
2016/03/02 00:05:29
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
He *is* a dirtbag. He *is* a hypocrite. These are facts.
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2016/03/02 00:57:57
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody
hotsauceman1 wrote: How are they "Facts" can you offer irrefutable proof he is both of those?
Ever listen to the man?
"They" don't want a conversation (black people)
Attacks his guest for eapousing different views and says that the guest's father (whom Bill does not know anything about or in any way, shape, or form) would not be proud of his son and disagree with him.
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2016/03/02 01:39:57
Subject: Bill O'Reilly: News anchor, loses custody