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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1816687860/sandy-petersens-cthulhu-mythos-for-pathfinder/description



Welcome to Sandy Petersen's Cthulhu Mythos for Pathfinder!

Sandy Petersen is the undisputed authority on the Cthulhu Mythos in games as the author of the groundbreaking game Call of Cthulhu, the first game ever to bring HP Lovecraft’s work to the gaming world.

He now proudly presents Sandy Petersen's Cthulhu Mythos for Pathfinder, by Petersen Games. This is the definitive and ultimate guide to bringing Lovecraft to the high fantasy sword and sorcery worlds played using the Pathfinder rule system.

Your band of heroes can now fight (and maybe even defeat) monstrous horrors and bizarre, inhumanly advanced races in adventures featuring these unique entities, their magics, and the alien technologies accurately portrayed from Lovecraftian works!



Including:
•A bestiary with over 100 entries, almost half never before seen in a Pathfinder book before.
•Over 25 Mythos Entities: Creatures in the Pathfinder Bestiaries I-V now authoritatively revised & updated in this book. Additionally, the original entries as found in the Bestiaries I-V are also included for easy reference and comparison.
•Over 50 NEW Mythos Entries: Creatures from the Cthulhu Mythos that have never before been published in any Pathfinder Bestiary.
•Over 40 'Unusual Suspects': Creatures that could (and maybe should) be in the Cthulhu Mythos, found in the pages of the current Pathfinder Bestiaries. Some have been updated to reflect our new rules.
•Adventures: Plot Hooks and Campaign starters by Sandy Petersen and others.
•How to run horror in a heroic sword and sorcery setting by Sandy Petersen.



The kickstarter also offers the chance to get hold of the plastic minis (very nice indeed) from the Cthulhu Wars boardgame and it's expansions eg

I'm here if there are any questions of a sort I might be able to answer.

Sandy Petersen

Woo Hoo, the project creator is in the thread!

I love the miniatures on offer, but have shied away from the previous CW projects because I really only wanted the figures to use with other games and not the board game, which seemed ill-suited to 2 players (just me and the wife here).

Now this looks more up my alley!

This will be really tempting...

I'm beginning to regret buying into the Cthulhu Wars stuff now. I got them all for the models, and now I find that the models are all being released separately.

"My son Arthur is working diligently on a plan to have a "Make Up Pack" for people who are already high level backers of Cthulhu Wars. I am sure he will come up with something usable. I do know that he is already trying to figure in the planned stretch goals, which means we probably won't announce it for at least a week, so we see how fast the stretch goals accumulate."

I assumed the format of the collections was that they'd resell the CW expansion packs, but have additional minions for RPG and skirmish play. I think the Horde packs work, but the others, not so much.

I would have had a Pathfinder adventure created for each of the factions or expansion sets, if possible. For example, the Opener of the Way expansion would have a fantasy version of the Dunwich Horror or something. Windwalker would take place in the frozen wastelands. Azathoth would take place in space or the astral plane.

Or maybe the offered sets will work with the Pathfinder Strange Aeons Adventure Paths, although from what I read on Reddit, I don't think so?

With the possibly upcoming miniature skirmish rules, I'd like to see GEG collaborate with the Strange Aeons miniature skirmish game folks. Yes, SA fanboys may froth a bit, but the CW mini's stlll aren't system-specific so would be playable in SA.

3 stretch goals hit

Redacted.

'just' book content ?

you mean actually stuff Sandy has got to write/playtest etc (plus the extra costs of adding more printing etc), the stuff which this KS is actuallty all about that's not free

the second stretch goals could pretty small as the deep one moulds are already made and paid for and booked for a production run so adding on more plastic shots would be relatively cheap

Now i'm not saying they aren't managing the size of the stretch goals I'm sure they are, but that's only sensible

(and based on my experience with Cthulhu wars we got a bunch of extra stuff we didn't hit the stretch goals for in part because there were delays, but also because Sandy is generous and wants to provide his backers with the best experience possible)

Redacted.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Ok.

$10k to fund the entire fething book.

Another $2.5k to add book content on day 1.

Then suddenly they need $17.5k to add some insanity rules?

You're flying rodent gak crazy if you think that this SG model is anything but him trying to get away with doing minimal extra content.

And as you say, adding extra minis would be cheap, so why not do more of those in between the book content if it really takes that much extra money to write some rules in (which I highly doubt it does, given the previous amounts required for book content). The next miniatures goal doesn't even have a $ target because he wants to see how much cash he can pull in first.

That's kinda odd, Books don't tend to be so much Last KS i was part of the book was like $2/3k? Does depend on the artwork though.

Book and mini's should be available retail (at least as CW sets), so if you don't like how they're running the KS, don't back it.

I'll probably skip this one, since I'd rather pick the mini's with the skirmish rules or as CW expansions from the OLGS.

As a fellow business owner, I'm not sure how I feel about flexible SG money goals. I could see it as a way for them to accurately stretch out the goals so they don't blow past them all and then have to ad-lib new ones, which can be risky.

On the other hand, it does feel a bit questionable.

The new Sanity rules are not trivial for me to do. In fact, the easiest goals for me to accomplish are the ones where I add more figures. Let me explain exactly what we are trying to do in this kickstarter. I don't think we are being a font of evil.

We have set the stretch goals so they can be met each day. The idea is that people can discuss the goals, rather than worry about them. This is an experiment for Petersen Games - always before we've held out that carrot-on-a-stick of the next stretch goal (in common with most other kickstarters). This time ee are intentionally expecting all the goals to be met, and have planned accordingly. Our idea is y'all can focus on the figures and the rules themselves rather than on the freebies (which you'll be getting anyway, should it work out as planned).

The basic structure (doubt I'm giving anything away) is that we are alternating rules/book bonuses (which are the biggest time investment for me) with figure goals. The next figure goal is fairly spectacular which I hope makes up for "only" having Pathfinder-centric rules this time. But to repeat, yeah, the plan is that every single stretch goal will be met.

Look you guys on Dakka Dakka are by and large experienced kickstarter veterans. We're not trying to fool you. Every single crowdfunding fiddles with stretch goals trying to reach a balance between attracting new pledges and ability to fulfill. We have worked out our balance, and we are actually trying to free veterans (like y'all) from worrying about which goals might or might not be reached. Look at the campaign. Does it have what you like? If so, back our campaign - secure in the knowledge that you'll be getting significantly more stuff than is currently visible, with our future 25+ stretch goals yet to be announced (of which half are figure bonuses). And if our campaign doesn't have what you like, stretch goals aren't going to change your mind. Nor should they.

Sandy

Sandy Petersen wrote:
Yes we are trying to stretch out the stretch goals, so we don't run out. I don't think this makes us a font of evil.

Yeah, makes sense. (I read 'font' as in writing ). I think I prefer your approach to other campaigns that panic and add too many unreachable goals.

Sandy, out of curiosity, do the minis follow any sort of standard sizing scheme, e.g. Yog Sothoth is 50 mm, spawn are 40 mm, etc.? Thanks for taking questions.

Redacted.

Why the stretch goals, if we're expecting and hoping to get to them all anyway? I guess it's tradition. Also we are hoping that giving them out day-by-day will spark discussion and suggestions.

Like I said, this is an experiment on our part. If it fails, it fails. Well, the Kickstarter campaign hasn't failed, Obviously. I'm talking about if our stretch goal concept does what we are hoping. Surely you guys don't want every crowdfunding to forever follow the precise same pattern. How can we find out if new things work if we don't try them?

IIRC, Scythe did something simlar with the SG's during the campaign, so you're in good evil. Er, company.

more things, more pages, and other strangenesses

After some soul searching I wish to offer a public apology to Sandy and crew. I had overreacted and misjudged. I am once again backing the project to support Petersen Games.

Looks like some cool stuff has been unlocked! Looking forward to the Lovecraftian goodness to come

Clanan wrote:

Sandy Petersen wrote:

Sandy, out of curiosity, do the minis follow any sort of standard sizing scheme, e.g. Yog Sothoth is 50 mm, spawn are 40 mm, etc.? Thanks for taking questions.

Sandy, if you're still visiting, would you mind answering this? Thanks!

Mini's are (supposed to be) 28mm scale. Well, the humanoid ones are!

OTOH, It's not like mythos mini's have conventionally had much of an agreed-upon scale. I have some well-sculpted Grenadier mini's whose yithian and dark young were too small. IMO, The CW migo are much larger than other migo sculpts I've seen. And if you look at the Chaosium chart of size comparisons, you'd need a quart of plastic for some of the figures and wouldn't be able to put a dhole on the table.

Mr. Petersen, is there any chance to pledge a buck or so and then add minis during the pledge manager? Or any way to enter the PM later? I have no funds for now.

Sandy Petersen wrote:
Why the stretch goals, if we're expecting and hoping to get to them all anyway? I guess it's tradition. Also we are hoping that giving them out day-by-day will spark discussion and suggestions.

Like I said, this is an experiment on our part. If it fails, it fails. Well, the Kickstarter campaign hasn't failed, Obviously. I'm talking about if our stretch goal concept does what we are hoping. Surely you guys don't want every crowdfunding to forever follow the precise same pattern. How can we find out if new things work if we don't try them?

Fake stretch goals are tricky. The point of crowdsourcing is that project creator comes to us hat in hand and tells us how much money he'll need to make the project happen. Stretch goals are almost additional campaigns--the creator can do X additional things for Y additional dollars. When the amount of money requested is obviously uncoupled from the amount of money it would take to reach the goal, a fake stretch goal so to speak, it raises the question of what other truths are flexible for the project creator. Perhaps before Kickstarter became a circus of lies fake stretch goals might not have been such a big deal, but now any exaggeration by the project creator can make him or her seem untrustworthy, bring motives into question and so one.

However, you are open about the fake stretch goals. That makes me feel a bit more comfortable knowing you will come clean on your unpopular decisions, unlike many previous creators who double down on obfuscation. I hope you'll share with us after the project what feedback the decision generated or if it affected the project's momentum one way or the other.

stretches up

Having taken part in the two Sandy Petersen Cthulhu Wars Kickstarters already, I guess I don't understand the negative feelings about this one. Maybe my previous experience just predisposes me to trust Sandy? Of the dozen or so KS I have taken part it, I found his two CW projects to be the best run and most open.

YMMV, I guess.

Are the miniatures made out of the same plastic as they were in Cthulhu Wars?

I should think so since they're the same sculpts

(they have changed factory since the base game was produced but the expansions were equally good and better assembled at least for me)

Don't really need an rpg book as I only play 2player stuff, but the fluff looks like a fun read. Now I'll know how dwarves and elves and gak deal with cthulhu :-)

Pictures of minis I own instead of real art tho, any chance those are placeholders, or cash spent on an extra 4 ghouls no one needs diverted to commissiion art?

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Pictures of minis I own instead of real art tho, any chance those are placeholders, or cash spent on an extra 4 ghouls no one needs diverted to commissiion art?

IIRC, there is at least line art for all the figures from CW (they used to post the concept drawings for all the figures for comment before finalizing them). I suppose they could use those. There is full color artwork for at least four main bosses from the original box set (Chthulhu, etc.) Commissioning paintings for all the figures not already done would be pretty expensive, though. Personally, I like the photos of painted miniatures, at least the really good ones (a couple of the photos have been a bit "meh" IMO). It gives me ideas on how to paint my own.

Not sure what Artis is asking for, but if anyone wants pics of the unpainted miniatures, just browse the BoardGameGeek Cthulhu Wars images.

EDIT: Oops -- BOOK artwork. Gotcha. Yeah, I'd ask the creator for more art pics. For all we know, it's copypasta from the Petersen Guide to the Monsters of the Mythos (or whatever it's called)