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Different tastes, I guess.

I'd much rather play Humans than anything else.

An Ork boy in melee with a guardsmen is VERY one sided it would probably take stabbing the Ork boy in the eye 4 times

Favourite? Absolutely Necrons; I started with the 'Oldcrons' way back when but I LOVE the 'Newcrons'. Fluff, playstyle (though I'm more of a Mephrit Cohort player with a tiny Decurion allied in and a Conclave of the Burning One) and more Fluff.

Least favourite? I like playing against all of the factions so long as I'm not facing 2 WKs, fluff-wise though... Ehh I guess I never liked the Eldar, but that's probably just because they remind me of elves, just even more stuck up hahaha.

Favorite army: Orks. For a long time i was a World Eaters player but they've been mothballed since 5th edition. I have brought them out recently for Kharn's Butcher Hoarde formation and Deamonkin, but right now its still Orks. Been playing Orks since 3rd too mainly Speed Freeks.

Least favorite: Eldar. I like their background stuff, especially Iyandan, but all that stuff they have to prevent bad things happening, I just seem to shake my head the most playing against them...and to come out with an even better codex to replace the last good one they had makes them not fun to play against at all.

Favorite army:
Chaos - The whole shebang as a whole, be it Chaos Marines or Chaos Daemons (whom I see as two sides of the same coin). The whole eternal war within the pantheon and their minions intrigue me, as they are at war with the Imperium but as much themselves - Oddly enough, I also find them more human than the Space Marines, and can relate more to their wins and failings.

Least favorite army:
Space Wolves - My god, what a joke. The fluff is toe-cringingly bad and the aesthetics are laughable. Every time I encounter them in books, I feel a bit of my Scandinavian pride being chipped away by a hammer, as I imagine that people think these guys are "what vikings should be like in the future".

In terms of fluff and on the table I prefer CSM and IG, Chaos because of the whole fallen angels thing, and guard because regular humans vs the grimdark etc. Third place goes to Tyranids, always loved the xenomorph/zerg type menace.

On the other end of the scale I despise Necrons and Tau, Necrons in particular their fluff is just god-awful (Oldcron stuff was IMO even worse) and on the tabletop they're ridiculously boring to play against. Tau just shouldn't even be a thing. Third place would be SW, the fluff and aesthetics could have been totally awesome, but GW decided to WOLFWOLFWOLFMURDERAXE

Orks are my favourite. Love the fluff, love the aesthetics, love their ramshackle tech that allows an almost conventional style of combined arms tactics, love their numbers and redundancy.
Imperium will be my next army for mostly the same reasons as above. Fluff, aesthetics, conventional tech, sheer numbers.

I like seeing my opponent have fun blasting my troops and vehicles even if I pull a win. I'm tactically minded enough to give a solid fight and can pull some valiant losses so I'm still having fun win or lose. Both players having fun is a victory IMHO.

I suppose if I have a least favourite it'll be the necron decurion. I'll just take obsec and minimize my interaction as much as possible to get the win from vps. Not much else to do. Ignore enemy, claim victory. Sumfing is broken.

Favorite is Sisters of Battle. Least favorite is Dark Eldar, simply because those sissy emo space rapists(victims), got plastic kits and new models and sisters didn't. I take solace in the fact that they're codex is way weaker.

Favorite easily the harlequins. Everyone thinks they are garbage, until they get ripped a new one!
Least favourite are the spess mureenz. I personally find them generic and plain. IG, Scions, most spess mureen flavours like DA or BA are fine to me however.

Favorite :

1: Blood Angels (favorite models and fluff)
2: Khorne Demonkin (favorite to play, favorite theme)


Least Favorite :

1. Tau/ Space Wolves (least favorite to play, play against, least favorite fluff)
2: Orks: (least favorite models)

Grey Knights for their lore, gene seed of the emperor the rest of the space marines are plebs, and highly detailed models. Plus psyker everything and never having even one guy turned to chaos.

Dark angels for their looks. Love the robes, not so much their lore.

Skitarii I really like. Their alpha Roman concept and basically being the tech priests IG.

I actually like the necrons lore much more than when I last played (10+ years ago) where they looked bamf and still do but wet basically terminators in space.

Least favorites would be the tyrnids, eldar, and orcs. The most blaise sci fi troupes there are. Epitome of evolution, space elves, and orcs are orcs are orcs.

 r_squared wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Complete opposite for me, can't enjoy games where I can't play humans

Don't you find that somewhat stifling and unimaginative in a sci-fi game?
...

Being able to play as a completely different alien species, with wildly differing motivations and cultures is one of the charms of 40k.

Yeah, that's what I used to like about it, too. One of 40k's biggest appeals to me was the diversity in armies, to the point where there's almost something for everyone. But apparently we're alone in thinking that.

People hate, haaaate anything that isn't a Space Marine, and would rather that it didn't exist at all so that GW would have more money and time to devote to putting out even more Space Marines. As you can see in this thread: Tau, Tyranids, Eldar of all flavors, Necrons (pre or post new fluff), sometimes Orks...if some of these people had their way they'd nuke half the armies in the game, all the interesting ones, and leave just the human armies and maybe Chaos/daemons to be their punching bags (because people hate the other armies so much they don't even want to play against them). Space Marine players wouldn't even give a feth if there were literally no other armies at all, they're perfectly happy just playing against other Space Marine armies all day, every day, as the popularity of the Horus Heresy has shown. And they truly believe that Games Workshop can survive entirely on their custom, if all they ever did was churn out a new Space Marine kit every week that would be more than enough to keep them going, apparently.

Hell, in my opinion 40k still feels like it could be more diverse, because when you go and look on GW's website you can see there's like a crazy number of factions in the game, but more than half of them are the same damn gak. Multiple Space Marine chapters, Grey Knights, Inquisition, Imperial Knights, Assassins, etc. Pretty fething boring in my opinion, but according to the vocal minority on the internet, apparently not boring enough for their horrid tastes.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 r_squared wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Complete opposite for me, can't enjoy games where I can't play humans

Don't you find that somewhat stifling and unimaginative in a sci-fi game?
...

Being able to play as a completely different alien species, with wildly differing motivations and cultures is one of the charms of 40k.

Yeah, that's what I used to like about it, too. One of 40k's biggest appeals to me was the diversity in armies, to the point where there's almost something for everyone. But apparently we're alone in thinking that.

People hate, haaaate anything that isn't a Space Marine, and would rather that it didn't exist at all so that GW would have more money and time to devote to putting out even more Space Marines.

Clearly you haven't seen the gobs of threads through the ages about the array of things people hate about Space Marines of various flavors.

As you can see in this thread: Tau, Tyranids, Eldar of all flavors, Necrons (pre or post new fluff), sometimes Orks...if some of these people had their way they'd nuke half the armies in the game, all the interesting ones, and leave just the human armies and maybe Chaos/daemons to be their punching bags (because people hate the other armies so much they don't even want to play against them).

If you'd read a lot of that, most of it's due to in-game meta issues, like Eldar & Necrons being absurdly overpowered, rather than just hating Xeno's on general principle.

Space Marine players wouldn't even give a feth if there were literally no other armies at all, they're perfectly happy just playing against other Space Marine armies all day, every day, as the popularity of the Horus Heresy has shown.

Perhaps this has more to do with the difference in ruleset and what is effectively a different setting than the fact that there's no Xenos? Is that possible?

I mean, I'm half tempted to do a 30k army just to have a thin veneer of a balanced game at this point.

Hell, in my opinion 40k still feels like it could be more diverse, because when you go and look on GW's website you can see there's like a crazy number of factions in the game, but more than half of them are the same damn gak. Multiple Space Marine chapters, Grey Knights, Inquisition, Imperial Knights, Assassins, etc. Pretty fething boring in my opinion, but according to the vocal minority on the internet, apparently not boring enough for their horrid tastes.

Show me on the doll where the Space Marine touched you...

I like xenos armies but i don't like Necrons for there fluff and there overpowerdness and I don't like the Space Wolves either

I play orks... so instead of auto listing orks as my fav, I'll go with 2nd fav.
Tau....while often criticized for being just anime in 40k, I aplaud them for what they are. A society trying to be perfect in the most screwed up setting, they try, but will fail, but they are noble in the attempt....also I like robots, and besides admek (who I also like) no other faction has robots that actualy are good in the actual game (not including knights, an apocalypse faction in non apoc 40k, it's just a git move)

While least fav would be spacemarines. Dont get me wrong, I actualy like fighting them, but man do I despise them for being the poster child that gw and FW just fawn over. They constantly come up with different varieties of armour but I mostly see similar lists no matter what the army is painted as (white scare bikes painted as dark angels is one example off the top of my head). I personally blame game balance for my dislike of sm. If all their codex options were equally useful then you would see each faction played with the units that fluff supports...and not just every chapter uses bikes. I guess what I'm saying is I will like sm if the game help support the different chapters to be pretty different from each other...and not just one army that claims its actualy many armies with different colors.

Favorite: Anything but Tau.

Least favorite: Tau.

Tau are a Star Wars army, NOT a 40K army.

Favourite:
1.Khorne Daemonkin
2.Orks
3.Chaos Daemons (Khorne)

Least:
1.Tau
2.Eldar
3.Taudar

 Gobbla wrote:


Tau are a Star Wars army, NOT a 40K army.

every time someone says an army doesn't belong in the fluff I'm always left scratching my head "why?".
Each faction is pretty different from each other.
And of your argument is "its not grim dark enough" then Ill just point to a different faction and say "and that is?".
If your argument is that they aren't common enough to be an actual faction then I'll do the same thing "and this other faction that's just as small if not smaller does belong in the game?"
My biggest example I'll bring up is craft world eldar, they have pretty clean tech, alien designs...not reAly that grimdark. And from what I understand they are possibly less common then tau.

geargutz wrote:

 Gobbla wrote:


Tau are a Star Wars army, NOT a 40K army.

every time someone says an army doesn't belong in the fluff I'm always left scratching my head "why?".
Each faction is pretty different from each other.
And of your argument is "its not grim dark enough" then Ill just point to a different faction and say "and that is?".
If your argument is that they aren't common enough to be an actual faction then I'll do the same thing "and this other faction that's just as small if not smaller does belong in the game?"
My biggest example I'll bring up is craft world eldar, they have pretty clean tech, alien designs...not reAly that grimdark. And from what I understand they are possibly less common then tau.

The Eldar fluff is oretty oepn about them considering everyone else vermin, that theyll gladly sacrifice or kill by the tens of billions if it means saving a literal handful of their own, or retaining a world they havent inhabited in thousands of years.

The Tau fluff has some grjmdark elements, but theyre very thin and increasingly downplayed, often actively so by Tau enthusiasts. I dont mond the Tau when they're portrayed as the 1984-esque manipulative guys that will try to bribe you with their cool stuff to join them and bomb you into submission until you give up if that doesnt work, but too often its the "naieve do gooders" angle that is pushed.

I personslly dont mind thr Tau all that much, but I can see where people do have problrms with them. Also, their visual is starkly different from most 40k stuff, deriving from an entirely different source material than the rest of the 40k universe, making them stick out like a sore thumb in many respects.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Hell, in my opinion 40k still feels like it could be more diverse, because when you go and look on GW's website you can see there's like a crazy number of factions in the game, but more than half of them are the same damn gak. Multiple Space Marine chapters, Grey Knights, Inquisition, Imperial Knights, Assassins, etc. Pretty fething boring in my opinion, but according to the vocal minority on the internet, apparently not boring enough for their horrid tastes

My thoughts exactly. In a made up scifi UNIVERSE or solar system where imagination should be limitless i feel though AoS has more variety than 40k

Anyhow, favourite is Nids. Dinosaur, dragon, monster, lizards from space that spit venom and work on telepathy. With amazings models to boot!
I feel without them, Orks and Daemons 40k would be an incredibly boring place.

Hate Tau. Fluff they seem cool. Models are full on horrible. I feel like they came straight out of the robot isle of toy'r'us. Kroot are cool though. Play wise they're boring.

 eskimo wrote:


Hate Tau. Fluff they seem cool. Models are full on horrible. I feel like they came straight out of the robot isle of toy'r'us. Kroot are cool though. Play wise they're boring.

What robot toys are you talking about? If there was stuff that looked anything like tau I would've bought them and converted a tau army for myself. Are you talking about transformers...not even comparable.
Granted the crisis suit was kinda goofy but the new version is a whole lot better. The closest thing to tau are Gundam Models, but the legs reAly do set the 2 apart.
The tau have an atractive design, in my own subjective opinion.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
The only crazy alien race is probably the Eldars and the Necrons, the rest will usually die rather quickly to a lasgun shot.

Tyranids, as well - Gaunts are perfectly evolved for their battlefield role and very adaptable, unlike humans who really are incredibly inefficient, weak and fragile when you think about it. For an example, consider chimpanzees, who are by no means as optimised yet are still much stronger than humans even though they are smaller!

And a case can be made for the very resilient Orks, though we both know what we think of those. And Tau who just have a big technology advantage (though the IG CAN compensate for that with raw numbers)

Marines aren't really super duper, either. Just oyu know, better.

Again, this is not Halo. Space Marines are not ODSTs like people believe, they are Spartans +10. As average joe with a lasgun, if you decide to join in the battle of the big boys, you are going to achieve little more than being a very shiny red stain.

Marines die to shotguns and stubbers. At a pretty significant rate, too. Space marines are not that great and downright meaningless in the numbers that gw have given as canonical.

Martel732 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
The only crazy alien race is probably the Eldars and the Necrons, the rest will usually die rather quickly to a lasgun shot.

Tyranids, as well - Gaunts are perfectly evolved for their battlefield role and very adaptable, unlike humans who really are incredibly inefficient, weak and fragile when you think about it. For an example, consider chimpanzees, who are by no means as optimised yet are still much stronger than humans even though they are smaller!

And a case can be made for the very resilient Orks, though we both know what we think of those. And Tau who just have a big technology advantage (though the IG CAN compensate for that with raw numbers)

Marines aren't really super duper, either. Just oyu know, better.

Again, this is not Halo. Space Marines are not ODSTs like people believe, they are Spartans +10. As average joe with a lasgun, if you decide to join in the battle of the big boys, you are going to achieve little more than being a very shiny red stain.

Marines die to shotguns and stubbers. At a pretty significant rate, too. Space marines are not that great and downright meaningless in the numbers that gw have given as canonical.

If we go by FFG for how Space marines work, they are almost immortal to small arms fire. Unfortunately, the fluff and the crunch hates that rendition of Space Marines

FFG is clearly in error based off the actual game.

Martel732 wrote:
FFG is clearly in error based off the actual game.

Or they like the GW poster boys as near immortal super soldiers

The point being that normal humans armed with plasma or melta can do just fine vs marines. They are only 25% less effective at shooting those weapons.

To be fair, the way accuracy works in 40k is really wonky and highly unrepresentative of how accuracy really works. Flames of War's interpretation really is a whole lot better, where it's assumed that weapons are to the point where any conscript with a couple of hours training can hit a target with an almost 100% success rate within optimal range, but that the opposing side's experience and training will mean that they know how to make themselves much harder targets to hit (e.g. knowing when to move from cover to cover, knowing when an enemy is reloading a machinegun to burst out of a trench, knowing when to duck when artillery is falling, knowing how best to hide, etc).

The way accuracy is presented in 40k is really far more of a fantasy based paradigm where you're talking stuff like bows or catapults and where there will be a vast gulf in the accuracy potential based off of the experience of the user.

Yes, but flames of war has the stormtrooper rule, which is perhaps the dumbest "historical" rule i've ever seen.

At any rate, humans are fine because movie marines are only in fluff.

Flamrs of war is far from perfect, I just really liked the way they handled accuracy.

Personally, I like starcraft accuracy, which is 100%