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8th ed floundered both because a lot of vets didn't like the new rules and also because it was prohibitively expensive and time consuming for newer players to build an army.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:


Remember WHFB was canned because it was not selling and new players were not coming in. We can argue to death as to WHY that was *cough* Rules! *cough* but at the end of the day all 15 armies were 15% of sales. As far as GW is concerned Ronnie can have them.

WHFB wasn't selling due to bad rules. It wasn't selling because of the stupid crazy cost of having a viable army. Pains me to think how much I would have spent on my Skaven if it weren't for the starter set....horde armies need so many core choices it is crazy. GW just priced themselves out of their own game.

Bad rules did cause a lot of players to leave or shelve their armies in favour of other games. I know I petered out due to the crappiness of the 8th edition. Cost of updating army books cause a sell off of 6 of my armies and just left the oldest ones. Which eventually got boxed up and archived.

While it's true that there was a lot of ragequit when 8th dropped it was gaining traction (if not sales) gradually with each new armybook release that ended up levelling.

I know for sure tournament attendance was at or very near all-time high by late 8th edition (inc. End Times)

Whether that translated to sales for GW or just recasters and alternative brands is entirely GW's own making.

If people slowly stop playing over time after sticking with 8th for good while, is it a rage quit or sign of the ruleset being duff enough to make people lose interest?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
If people slowly stop playing over time after sticking with 8th for good while, is it a rage quit or sign of the ruleset being duff enough to make people lose interest?

In my experience ragequitters vastly outnumbered those who left with a well-set 8th edition. Some even got back gradually afterwards, IME more came back than left later on.

Going by big national/regional events also seems to confirm this trend, of course your local experience might be different.

It is also interesting that when GW started loosening the game up for End Times, sales picked up. Unfortunately, GW took this to mean that blowing up the world for a generic pseudo-myth setting was the answer. Realistically, I think that also had appeal to draw it closer to 40K (fight on endless worlds!) so that they weren't as bound by setting coherence and let them roll out their new flagship ubermensch faction (that otherwise look suspiciously like SMs or Chaos warriors). Likewise it favors their new IP protectionist naming conventions (no more generic ogres or orcs- only orruks and ogors now!).

Fortunately, Oldhammer isn't too hard to replicate with other lines and there are plenty of good rules to be found (or just use a prior edition). So chaos can live on in the Old World!

For me, I never really had a chance to be a part of Warhammer Fantasy Battles. When I was a kid my older brother used to love taking me to the local comic shops, and his friends all played a game call Warhammer (though he himself did not). And I found it AMAZING, I absolutely loved looking at their armies, watching them play, reading through their rulebooks/armybooks and White Dwarf magazines. None of them had any interest in 40k, it was all about Fantasy. I always told myself I would build my own army and play one day. When I was a young teen a friend and I got into 40k, and later WM/H and then many other miniature games, but I never really got to return to Fantasy as I didn't know anyone else who was interested. I bought some Dark Elves and some things from other armies, I wrote my own fluff, I kept up with the army books and the editions. I knew I would be moving to a bigger city for grad school and I planned on becoming a real Fantasy player then, it was a dream I suppose. But then the End Times happened and AoS followed. I won't deny that I am actually interested in AoS, but it isn't WFB. The fluff is dead, Bretonnia are sent to the void, rank and file is over, so many things I loved about the game are gone. It's sad to realize I will never truly be part of what I wanted to part of since I was 4 years old. Goodbye WFB, I hardly knew ye'!

8th edition rules were amazing. Not perfect, but by far the best set of rules of any edition of warhammer.

 jmurph wrote:
It is also interesting that when GW started loosening the game up for End Times, sales picked up.

I don't think it had anything to do with the game loosening up so much as people liking the models. A lot of people were disappointed with the rules loosening up at the same time and it's possible a year after End Times if GW hadn't already killed WHFB that it may have been dead anyway.

Unfortunately, GW took this to mean that blowing up the world for a generic pseudo-myth setting was the answer.

Realistically the success of End Times had nothing to do with releasing AoS. AoS would have been planned a long time before End Times, if ET failed or if ET did awesome it would have made absolutely no difference, we were getting AoS either way.

Fortunately, Oldhammer isn't too hard to replicate...

The hardest thing to replicate was the ability to find large groups of varied opponents.


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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
8th edition rules were amazing. Not perfect, but by far the best set of rules of any edition of warhammer.

You can argue about how "good" the rules were in and of themselves, it's subjective. What's less subjective is that the rules failed to satisfy large swathes of existing customers and failed to entice new customers. So in that sense, 8th sucked.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
8th edition rules were amazing. Not perfect, but by far the best set of rules of any edition of warhammer.

Sort of a shame they were such a massive failure they killed the game then, isn't it?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
8th edition rules were amazing. Not perfect, but by far the best set of rules of any edition of warhammer.

Sort of a shame they were such a massive failure they killed the game then, isn't it?

A game can be just fine rules-wise and fail for totally different reasons.

GW has gotten away with selling us Mercedes A-class for C-class money, then E-class and finally Bentley money. Which is a fine car and all that, but doesn't really make sense if your business is fleet operations and after all the basic models have a Renault engine on them. GW's reply was to say "hey, here's this new place where you don't need that many cars, plus our cars will now have 6 wheels and will only come in fluorescent colours, this is how cars should look".

So plenty of people have moved to Renaults, Peugeots or Opels (sorry, Vauxhalls). Less flashy, but still fun and does the work just fine.

Or they would just keep the old car, with a bit of maintenance it will last for many, many years.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
8th edition rules were amazing. Not perfect, but by far the best set of rules of any edition of warhammer.

You can argue about how "good" the rules were in and of themselves, it's subjective. What's less subjective is that the rules failed to satisfy large swathes of existing customers and failed to entice new customers. So in that sense, 8th sucked.

Still sold better than AoS though so technically 8th is better than the current version of AoS.
No comment in best ruleselt though.

I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said. It's like that around here people just got all mad and quit playing....not sure why people can't still play 8th edition and use the models that are available? You can still buy the models so you will still support your FLGS more than just quitting the game altogether.

Wish it was easier to find a game then it was before

Because 8th isn't supported and therefore MUST NOT BE PLAYED.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said.

It depends how you define "rage quit". If you think of a person saying "This game is no longer something I enjoy" as "rage quitting", sure, there's lots of "rage quitters".

People are too quick to chalk up "don't like specific changes" to "don't like change". I absolutely hate being labelled with "don't like change" when I can be very specific about WHICH changes I don't like.

not sure why people can't still play 8th edition and use the models that are available?

As you said yourself....

Wish it was easier to find a game then it was before

Firstly I don't really like 8th to begin with. When 8th rolled around my gaming group tried to stick with 7th. The problem is people quit (as they do with any game, even if it's a supported one) but new people don't join up. You end up with only a few players playing games with the same armies and it gets stale after a while.

You can still play it as a back burner game that you only play from time to time, but most people don't want to invest the sort of time and effort required to build a WHFB army to play a back burner game. At this point I'm not getting rid of my larger WHFB armies.... but hell if I'm adding more models to them to play a game once or twice a year and I'm certainly not going to bother adding to the half finished armies. They'll probably end up on ebay or more likely the trash can when I can be arsed cleaning out my storage area.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
You can still buy the models so you will still support your FLGS more than just quitting the game altogether.

Except you can't still buy the models from your FLGS for a bunch of stuff, and it's only going to get worse. And buying WHFB/AoS models from your FLGS is also giving money to GW, so no, I don't particularly want to reward GW for killing the game. I'd rather support my FLGS by buying non-GW stuff.

chiefbigredman wrote:

I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said. It's like that around here people just got all mad and quit playing....not sure why people can't still play 8th edition and use the models that are available? You can still buy the models so you will still support your FLGS more than just quitting the game altogether.

We do, thank you very much (though playing more 9th age than 8th lately).

I support my FLGS buying x-wing, SAGA and other stuff, too. Of the new releases I'd only maybe will buy the orc shaman. We'll see what happens when they get around re-doing elves (sorry, AElfs).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said.

It depends how you define "rage quit". If you think of a person saying "This game is no longer something I enjoy" as "rage quitting", sure, there's lots of "rage quitters".

People are too quick to chalk up "don't like specific changes" to "don't like change". I absolutely hate being labelled with "don't like change" when I can be very specific about WHICH changes I don't like.

My meaning was there are a lot of people who got all mad that GW did not release a new 9th edition so they just quit playing any form of fantasy all together at the FLGS. Did not give any chance to even stop by the store any more (which hurts local business). Some people just play Fantasy but then read the Age of Sigmar rules and said "nope this is not anything I am interested in" and then don't even play fantasy anymore...maybe because they aren't going to get new army books, or army releases or whatever.

Side note Age of Sigmar is a different game altogether.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Wish it was easier to find a game then it was before

Firstly I don't really like 8th to begin with. When 8th rolled around my gaming group tried to stick with 7th. The problem is people quit (as they do with any game, even if it's a supported one) but new people don't join up. You end up with only a few players playing games with the same armies and it gets stale after a while.

You can still play it as a back burner game that you only play from time to time, but most people don't want to invest the sort of time and effort required to build a WHFB army to play a back burner game. At this point I'm not getting rid of my larger WHFB armies.... but hell if I'm adding more models to them to play a game once or twice a year and I'm certainly not going to bother adding to the half finished armies. They'll probably end up on ebay or more likely the trash can when I can be arsed cleaning out my storage area.

Fantasy is my main miniature game and still play it just about as frequently as I used to (depends how busy I am with work and life etc). My friend and his brother have about 5 armies, I have 2, and my brother in law has 1 so we have a variety of things to play. I still enjoy playing it even though I am using 8th edition rules, I just take the rules for what they are and we house rule anything we agree on being wrong etc and I see nothing wrong with that happening at FLGS because I still buy models there, I still buy my paints there and board games etc.

p.s let me know if you want to sell half finished armies I am always in the market haha

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
You can still buy the models so you will still support your FLGS more than just quitting the game altogether.

Except you can't still buy the models from your FLGS for a bunch of stuff, and it's only going to get worse. And buying WHFB/AoS models from your FLGS is also giving money to GW, so no, I don't particularly want to reward GW for killing the game. I'd rather support my FLGS by buying non-GW stuff.

Yes I agree there is a lot of models that are gone now or direct only. But that doesn't mean you can't buy current stock from the FLGS. If nobody buys it he looses his money in his inventory basically.



I am still playing 8th edition, still painting and still buying models every so often. Nothing wrong with staying with the current 8th edition book in my opinion. If you know people with armies from when fantasy was still around but they don't show up anymore you can still play it and I will continue to do so. I just don't buy into all the new rulesets or army books every few years (gets expensive) but I will use what I have and if I can't find models at some point I am sure there are lots of people who are getting rid of armies they don't want anymore.


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jouso wrote:

chiefbigredman wrote:

I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said. It's like that around here people just got all mad and quit playing....not sure why people can't still play 8th edition and use the models that are available? You can still buy the models so you will still support your FLGS more than just quitting the game altogether.

We do, thank you very much (though playing more 9th age than 8th lately).

I support my FLGS buying x-wing, SAGA and other stuff, too. Of the new releases I'd only maybe will buy the orc shaman. We'll see what happens when they get around re-doing elves (sorry, AElfs).

I still support my FLGS as well but there is a large part of the community I recently moved to who don't even frequent the store anymore because Fantasy was their main game and they just decided to not play fantasy anymore or any other games.

If GW had the nouse, they would release a 9th edition with two or three large hardback books containing all sixteen factions between them. Prebalanced. Then sell what people want via GW mail order unboxed, by the sprue and with bases for either AoS or Warhammer 9th.

They could easily turn this into a win/win if that had the business sense to do so. Age of Sigmar need not die, its a good gateway product, even if the background is inconsequential.

Wsrhammer 9th can be sold mail order only, which cuts out the middleman, without packaging, which cuts on production materiel. It doesnt need to be a big seller, its enough if the models are just there. GW has the tooling to make up the sprues as they need to because manufacturing is in house.
There is no logical reason not to do this other than as Fenrir Kitsune understood, the game has officially moved on and wont want to be seen to go back for reasons of management dogma.

 Orlanth wrote:
If GW had the nouse, they would release a 9th edition with two or three large hardback books containing all sixteen factions between them. Prebalanced. Then sell what people want via GW mail order unboxed, by the sprue and with bases for either AoS or Warhammer 9th.

They could easily turn this into a win/win if that had the business sense to do so. Age of Sigmar need not die, its a good gateway product, even if the background is inconsequential.

Wsrhammer 9th can be sold mail order only, which cuts out the middleman, without packaging, which cuts on production materiel. It doesnt need to be a big seller, its enough if the models are just there. GW has the tooling to make up the sprues as they need to because manufacturing is in house.
There is no logical reason not to do this other than as Fenrir Kitsune understood, the game has officially moved on and wont want to be seen to go back for reasons of management dogma.

I agree.
GW plans far ahead and Age of Sigmar must have been in the works for a while before release. I don't think that they knew how well end times was going to sell so they had to release all the materials they already created.

Doesn't GW have a new CEO or similar position that was hired just before Age of Sigmar was released?
Anyways I feel that they might end up releasing a 9th edition that mail order or something like that. They are re issuing some of the speciality games so I wouldn't put 9th edition past them in some form.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said.

It depends how you define "rage quit". If you think of a person saying "This game is no longer something I enjoy" as "rage quitting", sure, there's lots of "rage quitters".

People are too quick to chalk up "don't like specific changes" to "don't like change". I absolutely hate being labelled with "don't like change" when I can be very specific about WHICH changes I don't like.

My meaning was there are a lot of people who got all mad that GW did not release a new 9th edition so they just quit playing any form of fantasy all together at the FLGS. Did not give any chance to even stop by the store any more (which hurts local business). Some people just play Fantasy but then read the Age of Sigmar rules and said "nope this is not anything I am interested in" and then don't even play fantasy anymore...maybe because they aren't going to get new army books, or army releases or whatever.

Side note Age of Sigmar is a different game altogether.

It's still disingenuous to say that's "rage quitting".

I don't think there were all that many WHFB players who were genuinely happy with 8th then just dropped everything when AoS rolled around. Maybe a few, but I think it's a minority.

Many people were already languishing under 8th, either sticking with 7th in reasonably closed groups and hoping GW would update 9th to be better and introduce fresh blood, or playing 8th when they didn't really love it but were invested enough to hold out hope for the next edition. Some of those players might even have been waiting a decade for a new army book to come out.

Then End Times rolled around, people got excited for a while, then realised the name might be literal.... then waiting for 6 months with no news at all from GW and finally when AoS came out it was nailing the coffin shut on the game they loved after years of struggling with it.

That's not what I'd describe as "rage quitting" or "just don't like change".

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
If GW had the nouse, they would release a 9th edition with two or three large hardback books containing all sixteen factions between them. Prebalanced. Then sell what people want via GW mail order unboxed, by the sprue and with bases for either AoS or Warhammer 9th.

They could easily turn this into a win/win if that had the business sense to do so. Age of Sigmar need not die, its a good gateway product, even if the background is inconsequential.

Wsrhammer 9th can be sold mail order only, which cuts out the middleman, without packaging, which cuts on production materiel. It doesnt need to be a big seller, its enough if the models are just there. GW has the tooling to make up the sprues as they need to because manufacturing is in house.
There is no logical reason not to do this other than as Fenrir Kitsune understood, the game has officially moved on and wont want to be seen to go back for reasons of management dogma.

I agree.
GW plans far ahead and Age of Sigmar must have been in the works for a while before release. I don't think that they knew how well end times was going to sell so they had to release all the materials they already created.

Doesn't GW have a new CEO or similar position that was hired just before Age of Sigmar was released?
Anyways I feel that they might end up releasing a 9th edition that mail order or something like that. They are re issuing some of the speciality games so I wouldn't put 9th edition past them in some form.

AoS was in the works since 2013. GW employees leaked out information before it's arrival that they wanted to continue fantasy and had great ideas for it but they were told it was being discontinued because it was financially doomed.

Rountree is the new fellow in charge and is a gamer rather than Kirby who knew everything about money but nothing about gaming. (To his credit he did save the company from going under)

He's responsible for alot of GW's positive changes that have fans saying "hurrah for the age of Rountree! ".

The specialist games is definitely the biggest hope for the old world. Remains to be seen if they'll go that direction, though.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I do think that the gaming community has a lot of "rage quitters" or people who don't like change like other posters have said.

It depends how you define "rage quit". If you think of a person saying "This game is no longer something I enjoy" as "rage quitting", sure, there's lots of "rage quitters".

People are too quick to chalk up "don't like specific changes" to "don't like change". I absolutely hate being labelled with "don't like change" when I can be very specific about WHICH changes I don't like.

My meaning was there are a lot of people who got all mad that GW did not release a new 9th edition so they just quit playing any form of fantasy all together at the FLGS. Did not give any chance to even stop by the store any more (which hurts local business). Some people just play Fantasy but then read the Age of Sigmar rules and said "nope this is not anything I am interested in" and then don't even play fantasy anymore...maybe because they aren't going to get new army books, or army releases or whatever.

Side note Age of Sigmar is a different game altogether.

It's still disingenuous to say that's "rage quitting".

I don't think there were all that many WHFB players who were genuinely happy with 8th then just dropped everything when AoS rolled around. Maybe a few, but I think it's a minority.

Many people were already languishing under 8th, either sticking with 7th in reasonably closed groups and hoping GW would update 9th to be better and introduce fresh blood, or playing 8th when they didn't really love it but were invested enough to hold out hope for the next edition. Some of those players might even have been waiting a decade for a new army book to come out.

Then End Times rolled around, people got excited for a while, then realised the name might be literal.... then waiting for 6 months with no news at all from GW and finally when AoS came out it was nailing the coffin shut on the game they loved after years of struggling with it.

That's not what I'd describe as "rage quitting" or "just don't like change".

This. There was no "rage quitting" in my local club, just a slow meander away from the game as people found they didn't enjoy it any more and moved onto different things for their weekly game. By the time End Times came out, it met with massive indifference.

If GW did 9th edition, it would be interesting to see, but I don't think it'll happen as they've gutted a lot of the ranges. Could produce them again, but they could also produce chaos toilets again. They don't though.

Baron Klatz wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
If GW had the nouse, they would release a 9th edition with two or three large hardback books containing all sixteen factions between them. Prebalanced. Then sell what people want via GW mail order unboxed, by the sprue and with bases for either AoS or Warhammer 9th.

They could easily turn this into a win/win if that had the business sense to do so. Age of Sigmar need not die, its a good gateway product, even if the background is inconsequential.

Wsrhammer 9th can be sold mail order only, which cuts out the middleman, without packaging, which cuts on production materiel. It doesnt need to be a big seller, its enough if the models are just there. GW has the tooling to make up the sprues as they need to because manufacturing is in house.
There is no logical reason not to do this other than as Fenrir Kitsune understood, the game has officially moved on and wont want to be seen to go back for reasons of management dogma.

I agree.
GW plans far ahead and Age of Sigmar must have been in the works for a while before release. I don't think that they knew how well end times was going to sell so they had to release all the materials they already created.

Doesn't GW have a new CEO or similar position that was hired just before Age of Sigmar was released?
Anyways I feel that they might end up releasing a 9th edition that mail order or something like that. They are re issuing some of the speciality games so I wouldn't put 9th edition past them in some form.

AoS was in the works since 2013. GW employees leaked out information before it's arrival that they wanted to continue fantasy and had great ideas for it but they were told it was being discontinued because it was financially doomed.

Rountree is the new fellow in charge and is a gamer rather than Kirby who knew everything about money but nothing about gaming. (To his credit he did save the company from going under)

He's responsible for alot of GW's positive changes that have fans saying "hurrah for the age of Rountree! ".

The specialist games is definitely the biggest hope for the old world. Remains to be seen if they'll go that direction, though.

It's a matter of how much goodwill from the shareholders does Roundtree have. If his new approach doesn't work in a certain timespan they'll ask for his head.

jouso wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
If GW had the nouse, they would release a 9th edition with two or three large hardback books containing all sixteen factions between them. Prebalanced. Then sell what people want via GW mail order unboxed, by the sprue and with bases for either AoS or Warhammer 9th.

They could easily turn this into a win/win if that had the business sense to do so. Age of Sigmar need not die, its a good gateway product, even if the background is inconsequential.

Wsrhammer 9th can be sold mail order only, which cuts out the middleman, without packaging, which cuts on production materiel. It doesnt need to be a big seller, its enough if the models are just there. GW has the tooling to make up the sprues as they need to because manufacturing is in house.
There is no logical reason not to do this other than as Fenrir Kitsune understood, the game has officially moved on and wont want to be seen to go back for reasons of management dogma.

I agree.
GW plans far ahead and Age of Sigmar must have been in the works for a while before release. I don't think that they knew how well end times was going to sell so they had to release all the materials they already created.

Doesn't GW have a new CEO or similar position that was hired just before Age of Sigmar was released?
Anyways I feel that they might end up releasing a 9th edition that mail order or something like that. They are re issuing some of the speciality games so I wouldn't put 9th edition past them in some form.

AoS was in the works since 2013. GW employees leaked out information before it's arrival that they wanted to continue fantasy and had great ideas for it but they were told it was being discontinued because it was financially doomed.

Rountree is the new fellow in charge and is a gamer rather than Kirby who knew everything about money but nothing about gaming. (To his credit he did save the company from going under)

He's responsible for alot of GW's positive changes that have fans saying "hurrah for the age of Rountree! ".

The specialist games is definitely the biggest hope for the old world. Remains to be seen if they'll go that direction, though.

It's a matter of how much goodwill from the shareholders does Roundtree have. If his new approach doesn't work in a certain timespan they'll ask for his head.

The shareholders are mostly big funds who give exactly zero gaks about the company or how it's run providing it keeps churning out dem dividends every year, that's how Kirby was able to do whatever the feth he liked for so many years despite declining revenue and customer base - he made "efficiency savings" or just borrowed money and paid out the dividends on time. I think Rountree's main issue will swing on whether or not there are any "Kirby loyalists"(ie people wedded to his way of doing things) - if there are, they might cause him problems in more subtle ways.

Well i guess none of you want to play 8th edition online with me in a virtual representation of Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition :(.

I mean yeah the game ended but i still want to play with you guys.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well i guess none of you want to play 8th edition online with me in a virtual representation of Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition :(.

I mean yeah the game ended but i still want to play with you guys.

Is there noone near where you live that still plays 8th? You're near Detroit that's a big centre! (P.s I'm super close but have no models down where I just moved too at the moment)

Im right with the OP. I have a complete Dark Elf army and started an Orcs and Gobs army...la sigh. I fill like a crazy person calling around looking for 8th ed orcs and gobs. Hustling ebay all hours of the day, hunting other forums for swap/buys.

Well we can still play this game virtually. There is 'Universal Battle' and if that's not enough there's also Tabletop Simulator both of which have Warhammer Fantasy. Universal Battle seems more into 9th and KoW though.

 Vri wrote:
Im right with the OP. I have a complete Dark Elf army and started an Orcs and Gobs army...la sigh. I fill like a crazy person calling around looking for 8th ed orcs and gobs. Hustling ebay all hours of the day, hunting other forums for swap/buys.

Ya I still do this quite often. Always in the swap shop or on bartertown looking for some deals. I still never finished my Empire army so trying to pick away at getting pieces for that....and lord of the rings which is still semi supported but can get good deals online if you look hard enough.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well we can still play this game virtually. There is 'Universal Battle' and if that's not enough there's also Tabletop Simulator both of which have Warhammer Fantasy. Universal Battle seems more into 9th and KoW though.

Check your PM man

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


This. There was no "rage quitting" in my local club, just a slow meander away from the game as people found they didn't enjoy it any more and moved onto different things for their weekly game. By the time End Times came out, it met with massive indifference.

See, here in the States, I saw the exact opposite happen in a number of stores in multiple states. There was a LOT of rage quitting when 8th was released followed by a slow and steady return to the player base as the players realized that 8th really wasn't as terrible as they thought.

Then everyone stopped playing again once it was clear that the name End Times was literal...

I would not min doing so- but I've never used any of those virtual systems- I'd need a walkthrough, basically.

How do you feel about perambulatory statuary?

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Vri wrote:
Im right with the OP. I have a complete Dark Elf army and started an Orcs and Gobs army...la sigh. I fill like a crazy person calling around looking for 8th ed orcs and gobs. Hustling ebay all hours of the day, hunting other forums for swap/buys.

Ya I still do this quite often. Always in the swap shop or on bartertown looking for some deals. I still never finished my Empire army so trying to pick away at getting pieces for that....and lord of the rings which is still semi supported but can get good deals online if you look hard enough.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well we can still play this game virtually. There is 'Universal Battle' and if that's not enough there's also Tabletop Simulator both of which have Warhammer Fantasy. Universal Battle seems more into 9th and KoW though.

Check your PM man

Yeah i saw it but it sounded more about IRL fantasy 8th gaming and i just sold my 2 warp lightning cannons. At this point without those it'd be much harder to fight a game against an opponent :(. Sides i have an 8th edition vampire counts army book going to massive waste since 8th died.

@Platuan4th: For me i started in 8th and i never saw anywhere near the type of rage AoS was met with. I saw no less than a few big Warhammer Fantasy players actually slap their hand against the side of their face in sheer awe of that garbage. It was like an April Fools joke but it was real. Even most Fantasy players that gave it a chance gave up on it. At best it was meant for people leaving 40k and painters or modellers. It was GW pretty much kicking out the Warhammer Fantasy fan-base unceremoniously.

@Anvildude: It's fairly easy when you're used to it. In fact the system (on Universal Battle anyway) is in many ways superior. You don't need all the models to use what you want and most movement is easier with all the arcs and angles represented. They even have arc of visibility. You may have to get used to using models not meant to be other models with the names of what they are stuck onto what they should be. People normally represent regular base sizes though. If you really take issue with it become a member for super cheap and you can use all the armies various people created. I would become a member but i don't have that type of cash. I don't know the details for Tabletop Simulator but there's a guy modding for it named 'Vess' and he's made models for all the armies that were in 'Warhammer: mark of chaos' and its following video game expansion.