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These pictures are really blurry. I don't understand why everyone is going off their brain about how they look when I can barely make anything out. Seriously that warboss is like a yellow blob to me.

Also doesn't look like WFB in any way.

That's because it isn't.
As a long-time greenskin player, I have mixed feelings about these guys. They have a more "refined" look to them that simultaneously satisfies my desire for innovation in the line and makes me appreciate the old aesthetic more. This is certainly a new beast.

 gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote:

Also doesn't look like WFB in any way.

That's because it isn't.
As a long-time greenskin player, I have mixed feelings about these guys. They have a more "refined" look to them that simultaneously satisfies my desire for innovation in the line and makes me appreciate the old aesthetic more. This is certainly a new beast.

Nothing a decent paint/weathering job can't fix.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
I've had an orc and goblin army in just about every edition of the game and am extremely glad to see a change from the hunched over gorilla orcs of old.
I wonder if/how they'll update the goblins?

Huh? Did I miss something? They look like the same hunched gorilla Orcs as always.

Hard to tell from the pics, but they look less hunched over to me.

It's a style change to be sure, but not such a big one as to look completely out of place with the current range. Having the faces more or less the same helps there. Although obviously the size will make some difference as well... I would expect that AoS Orcs (no, GW, I'm not calling the 'orruks') will have gone through the same scale increase as everything else so far, so regular boyz will now be Nob size or larger. Which will at least be handy for 40K Nob conversions...

40k is the most fantasy based sci fi setting out there. The races are all fantasy races with a sci fi twist. The reason why a lot of pure fantasy fans are unhappy seems to be that AOS has taken a half step in the sci fi direction with a healthy dose of wow and Diablo thrown in for good measure. I really don't think that any of the AOS releases so far could be considered bad (with the exception of some of the fyreslayer poses). It is just that the aesthetic is not Wfb.

I must admit I am surprised at people still complaining that this is not Wfb. That boat sailed a long time ago. As for these releases I see potential. I don't like the surfing rider but that monster looks like it could be pretty good. I am looking forward to seeing the regular ironjaws. I think they may have the chance of looking pretty good as heroes for the Orc army.

If they are replacing the basic orc warriors i dont think they will be nob sized. Modern nobz are huge in comparison to boyz. Id expects/hope closer to the black orc/savage orc which is in between boyz n nobz. Which is fine as ive used both as nob conversion material. Regardless of size defo looking forward to ork conversion material lol

As for the riding i dont really care as riders are normally awful and i hate the seated ones they look awkward and would be screwed when they tried to attack or it flew at least with surfing poses you can imagine they are able to change position and it also plays into the disbelief that they have the skill in the first place to be on top of such a ludicrous mount.
imo GW only do one or two good rider like the ghoul king.

The regular Orc warriors are not being replaced. This is a new sub faction of orcs "bigger than any yet seen". Expect the regular warriors to be nob sized and the warlords to be 40k warlord size.

They look like they are using the same axes the Khorne warriors already have. Which is a drag because I really liked how the savage orcs had distinctive looking weapons

Chopxsticks wrote:
They look like they are using the same axes the Khorne warriors already have. Which is a drag because I really liked how the savage orcs had distinctive looking weapons

Savage Orcs have stone weapons, which are different than the weapons that other Orcs have to begin with.

Credit where credit is due; it's hard to see but from what I can tell, I like that Orc. It's a good model. Won't be able to really judge until there's better images.

EDIT: To expound further, I think they'd look out of place in the Old World and frankly wouldn't look too out of place in 40K, but considering the really bizarre (and frankly, rather disjointed) nature of Age of Sigmar, they seem like they'll fit well enough.

Chikout wrote:
40k is the most fantasy based sci fi setting out there. The races are all fantasy races with a sci fi twist. The reason why a lot of pure fantasy fans are unhappy seems to be that AOS has taken a half step in the sci fi direction with a healthy dose of wow and Diablo thrown in for good measure. I really don't think that any of the AOS releases so far could be considered bad (with the exception of some of the fyreslayer poses). It is just that the aesthetic is not Wfb.

I must admit I am surprised at people still complaining that this is not Wfb. That boat sailed a long time ago. As for these releases I see potential. I don't like the surfing rider but that monster looks like it could be pretty good. I am looking forward to seeing the regular ironjaws. I think they may have the chance of looking pretty good as heroes for the Orc army.

They don't look good and it doesn't look consistent with the rest of the style.

By contrast, black orcs look !@$#ing awesome.

For a comparison, look at the Space Marine rat, or the Sigmarines. People complained about them being 40k, but not as many of them said they looked *bad* persay.
In fact, I'd almost consider making a black orc a big choppa nob with 'eavy armor. They look dope.

Chikout wrote:
40k is the most fantasy based sci fi setting out there. The races are all fantasy races with a sci fi twist. The reason why a lot of pure fantasy fans are unhappy seems to be that AOS has taken a half step in the sci fi direction with a healthy dose of wow and Diablo thrown in for good measure. I really don't think that any of the AOS releases so far could be considered bad (with the exception of some of the fyreslayer poses). It is just that the aesthetic is not Wfb.

It's also compounded by the fact that they're not replacing entire ranges.

When you have an existing range, and they add new elements to it or replace some cherrypicked bits of it but using a different aesthetic, things get a little weird.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Not a fan of the Space Ork. Looks like they tried to make an Orky version of plate armour and failed.

They look like end 3.5 / 4th editon over the top dnd armours or any generic WoW armour. Instead of the cool orc style they used to have.
The infantry really looks like there is just one 3d model with some slight alterations. I really don't like their look at all for wfb, but they might just be the cool start for MANZ. All they need is a plastic fish bowl on their head a fancy backpack and a powerklaw or do come with poeawer klouws already ?


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Chikout wrote:
The regular Orc warriors are not being replaced. .

How much would you want to bet on that? We mght just get a ton of Last chance only orc models in the near future.
They really seem keen on eradicating the last remains of WFB

So here is the entire range in a very blurry pic. Looks to be very similar in scope to the Fyreslayer release.

I think I am most excited about the Maw Crusha, we can't make out much but seeing as it is on a circle base rather than an oval, I am hoping for it to have a great bulk.

I too think the bad moon scheme is bizarre. I can't wait to see these painted in Goff, Evil Sunz or generic rusty iron.

So far these don't actually look as cool as I had hoped. The Megaboss does just look like a meganob - and the armour doesn't look ramshackle enough.

I was hoping the bulked out size would allow the Orcs to be more menacing and bulky but still in a stooped pose.

Looking forward to hi-res pics.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

Does anyone know if those bones will be GW terrain ?

Would be a smart move. It saves energy, ressources and they'd have a use for the kitchen scraps from Bugman's Bar. Might bring them an Environmental award.

That skull in the background actually looks kinda interesting

Waaargh wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
But this is easily the most exciting thing ruleswise I could have imagined. That megaboss looks like an absolute savage. Sort of funny when you consider how bad they railroaded the Ork codex and that crummy attempt at a decurion in W!G.

Edit; I would just play Black orcs with that statline if anybody would let me. They look like they're gonna be what black orcs should have been.

I can't read through the low res, what does it say?

The command ability said you get an extra attack with your melee weapons if you have a certain number of Ironjaw units beneath a D6 roll. If the roll is a 6 and you have that many Ironjaw units, you get 2 attacks.

He has 2 weapons. One has 6 attacks, 3+ hit 3+ wound -1 rend 2 damage.
The other has 2 attacks 5+ (actually I hope that's 3+ : / ) hit 3+ wound -2 rend D3 damage

You can reroll hits of 1 for friendly units of Brutes that are within....3" or 6"? Or 8"? of this model when they make these attacks in the combat phase.

When he kills a hero he adds 1 wound and 1 attack.

7 wds
4" move
3+ save
8 bravery

The cavalry next to the Maw Crusha look like pigs?

Chopxsticks wrote:
The cavalry next to the Maw Crusha look like pigs?

Considering Orcs have always had Boar Boyz as cavalry and there is currently two different boxes in production (Orc and Savage Orc) then Boars make sense.

The megaboss on Maw krusha

A megaboss on maw krusha is a single model. The megaboss rides on its back and is equipped with a boss gore-hacka and a scrap-tooth or a choppa and a rip tooth fist. The maw krusha can batter opponents with its mighty fists, flatten them with its destructive bulk, or smash them with its bladed tail, while its ???? bursting bellow can kill foes from afar.

maw krusha can fly - movement range is * based on wounds, it ranges from 12" at 0-3 wnds or 4" at 13+

missile weapons
??? bursting bellow
8" range 1 attack 3+ to hit 3+ to wound -1 rend damage D6

melee weapons
boss gore hacka 2" range 3 attacks 3+ to hit 3+ to wound -1 rend 2 damage
scrap tooth 1" range 4 attacks 3+ to hit 3+ to wound -no rend- 1 damage
choppa 1" range 4 attacks 3+ to hit 3+ to wound -1 rend 2 damage
rip-tooth fist 1" range 1 attacks 4+ to hit 3+ to wound -2 rend D3 damage
maw krusha's mighty fists 1" range 4 attacks * to hit (based on wounds suffered - they go from 2+ to 6+ on increasing scale) 3+ to wound -2 rend - looks like 3 damage, maybe 2
maw krusha's bladed tail 1" range D3 attacks 4+ to hit 3+ to wound -1 rend 1 damage

abilities - gain +1 attack and wound per hero kill for the killing weapon
destructive bulk - after maw krusha completes a charge, pick an enemy within 1", roll the number of dice shown for the maw krusha's destructive bulk (ranges based on wounds suffered, 8 dice down to 4 dice at 13+ wounds taken) on the damage table above, the enemy will suffer 1 mortal wound for each roll of 4 or more

On the rampage - if the wounds inflicted by a maw krusha destructive bulk attack mean that there are no enemy models left within 3" of it, then it can immediately make another charge move (and can make another destructive bulk attack after the move if the charge is successful) a maw krusha can make any number of charge moves like this in a single turn, as long as each one results in all enemy models within 3" being slain

command ability mighty waaagh
If a megaboss in maw krusha uses this, count up the number of ironjaw units within 15" of them at the start of the combat phase of the turn and roll a dice. If the roll is less than or equal to the number of units, then this model and all models in those same units make 1 extra attack with each of their melee weapons in that combat phase. If the roll is a 6, and there are at least 6 ironjaw units within 15" of this model, then make 2 extra attacks rather than 1.

Maw Crusha looks cool, but I'm betting $120.

 insaniak wrote:

Chikout wrote:
40k is the most fantasy based sci fi setting out there. The races are all fantasy races with a sci fi twist. The reason why a lot of pure fantasy fans are unhappy seems to be that AOS has taken a half step in the sci fi direction with a healthy dose of wow and Diablo thrown in for good measure. I really don't think that any of the AOS releases so far could be considered bad (with the exception of some of the fyreslayer poses). It is just that the aesthetic is not Wfb.

It's also compounded by the fact that they're not replacing entire ranges.

When you have an existing range, and they add new elements to it or replace some cherrypicked bits of it but using a different aesthetic, things get a little weird.

Fantasy did come first right?

I like the look of the orks but do miss the savage line. Hope those can still be used.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Chikout wrote:
40k is the most fantasy based sci fi setting out there. The races are all fantasy races with a sci fi twist. The reason why a lot of pure fantasy fans are unhappy seems to be that AOS has taken a half step in the sci fi direction with a healthy dose of wow and Diablo thrown in for good measure. I really don't think that any of the AOS releases so far could be considered bad (with the exception of some of the fyreslayer poses). It is just that the aesthetic is not Wfb.

It's also compounded by the fact that they're not replacing entire ranges.

When you have an existing range, and they add new elements to it or replace some cherrypicked bits of it but using a different aesthetic, things get a little weird.

Fantasy did come first right?

I like the look of the orks but do miss the savage line. Hope those can still be used.

I use my Savage Orcs in AoS. Just download and print their datasheet, and slap them on 32mm bases if you feel like it.

Savage Orcs will be staying as will regular boys (unless they are going to retire one of the Start Collecting boxes). I see Orcs only getting the standard cuts (losing most resin heroes, special characters) and the black orc kits being retired. That to me still says they have too many SKUs (they will now have 3 variations of "Orc unit riding Boars" but I can't see what they would drop as the prime candidates are all in the Start Collecting box lol.

I think Goblins and Ogors will receive the most extensive cuts from the ranges when the Destruction book comes out.

The cartoon drawing which generally appeals to me as a long time Warhammer fan-art enthusiast is by far the worst I have seen. It is most unfortunate 'this' is how they choose to put the Orks back on the AoS map. I disapprove.

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Chikout wrote:
The regular Orc warriors are not being replaced. .

Edit oldzoggy said
How much would you want to bet on that? We mght just get a ton of Last chance only orc models in the near future.
They really seem keen on eradicating the last remains of WFB

Chikout wrote:

There is a start collecting box with regular Orc warriors in it. .

WHich would be a great way for GW to clear out a backlog of old sprues...

 insaniak wrote:

Chikout wrote:

There is a start collecting box with regular Orc warriors in it. .

WHich would be a great way for GW to clear out a backlog of old sprues...

Why bother when the last chance to buy stuff has shown that they would sell without making any additional effort.
They are compatible with the 40k orks. They only way they will go away is if the 40k stuff gets a redesign or fantasy goes away altogether. I think people are taking cynicism a step too far.

 Bottle wrote:

I really like them. I mean, I can't see anything and the paint scheme seems horrible but I'm super excited!

Also in that picture I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing but the two Maw'Crusha seems totaly different. The green one definitely has wings and matches the art, but the red one seems to have huge shield chitin plates with spikes instead of wings...

Also the cavalry seems beefy as hell!

I'm pumped! Might start a new army!

THese Orcs will be snapped up quick ... by 40k Ork players.

Warboss looks like a kitbash from the Meganobs kit that came out a year or two ago.

Everything else is too blurry to make out really - but I hope the awesome old Black Orc kit isn't being replaced by this new style :/

.I am excited to see better pictures of the regular ironjaw orcs. I could get on board with a "start collecting" box depending on how they look. I won't buy any at the wacko regular AOS prices. Hopefully they are more blood reaver price point than sigmarine.