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 IllumiNini wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Maybe the question isn't "Why can't he," but "Why doesn't he want to."

Maybe the whole plan behind sitting on the Golden Throne for 10,000+ years was to see if things would go to gak while he was gone and to see if humans would resort to what they had been before he came about.

I can just imagine the mixture of uproar and praise when the Emperor just starts rapidly regenerating, then stands up from the Golden Thrones and just goes "Surprise Mofos! Experiment's over. Let's fix up my Imperium!" haha

Oprah Winfrey style "you are fired, and you are fired! EVERYBODY IS FIRED!!!!"

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Maybe the question isn't "Why can't he," but "Why doesn't he want to."

Maybe the whole plan behind sitting on the Golden Throne for 10,000+ years was to see if things would go to gak while he was gone and to see if humans would resort to what they had been before he came about.

I can just imagine the mixture of uproar and praise when the Emperor just starts rapidly regenerating, then stands up from the Golden Thrones and just goes "Surprise Mofos! Experiment's over. Let's fix up my Imperium!" haha

I'm sure he won't come back until humanity is on its knees or he decides to be a god. I suspect the former to happen long before the latter.

I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium - even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories. So as it already known that there are dangerous and evil men who worship or claim to worship dark gods and since the IoM already venerates the Emperor as a God I figure he'd just come clean and accept that he is a God or at very least a Demi-God. To be honest, even if it weren't fact, any being that has the power to flay a man's soul from existence and completely obliterate any trace of it may as well be a God or thought of as a God. Considering that the most powerful Psyker the Imperium has ever produced, Malcador the Sigillite, only managed a few hours on the Golden Throne before crumbling to dust, the Emperor is hardly just a very powerful Psyker as he's been occupying the Throne for 10,000 years without much change. Of course, being able to regenerate isn't all to common either.

Throne keeps him tethered to the real world, the minute he isn't, daemons, lots of 'em, but that won't mean gak cause he just became the new chaos god that all Imperials worship now.

Technically heresy.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium - even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories. So as it already known that there are dangerous and evil men who worship or claim to worship dark gods and since the IoM already venerates the Emperor as a God I figure he'd just come clean and accept that he is a God or at very least a Demi-God. To be honest, even if it weren't fact, any being that has the power to flay a man's soul from existence and completely obliterate any trace of it may as well be a God or thought of as a God. Considering that the most powerful Psyker the Imperium has ever produced, Malcador the Sigillite, only managed a few hours on the Golden Throne before crumbling to dust, the Emperor is hardly just a very powerful Psyker as he's been occupying the Throne for 10,000 years without much change. Of course, being able to regenerate isn't all to common either.

Considering the Emperor is stubborn and is known to never sway from his opinions, he will never admit he is a god.

"There is a difference between having the distinguished looks and power of a god and wanting to be worshipped as one."

-The Emperor, If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech device.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium - even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories. So as it already known that there are dangerous and evil men who worship or claim to worship dark gods and since the IoM already venerates the Emperor as a God I figure he'd just come clean and accept that he is a God or at very least a Demi-God. To be honest, even if it weren't fact, any being that has the power to flay a man's soul from existence and completely obliterate any trace of it may as well be a God or thought of as a God. Considering that the most powerful Psyker the Imperium has ever produced, Malcador the Sigillite, only managed a few hours on the Golden Throne before crumbling to dust, the Emperor is hardly just a very powerful Psyker as he's been occupying the Throne for 10,000 years without much change. Of course, being able to regenerate isn't all to common either.

Fair call. Plus it would be too hard to dismantle the idea that he is a god. Too much effort and too much would need to be torn down, so - as you said - why not just embrace Godhood?

Now I'm interested in whether or not he actually has to die first before doing the whole returning from the dead act, or whether it's a case of his psykee returning completely to his body before that can happen, or both. Now that's a point we could probably argue until kingdom come or - in this case - Emperor come haha.

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium - even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories. So as it already known that there are dangerous and evil men who worship or claim to worship dark gods and since the IoM already venerates the Emperor as a God I figure he'd just come clean and accept that he is a God or at very least a Demi-God. To be honest, even if it weren't fact, any being that has the power to flay a man's soul from existence and completely obliterate any trace of it may as well be a God or thought of as a God. Considering that the most powerful Psyker the Imperium has ever produced, Malcador the Sigillite, only managed a few hours on the Golden Throne before crumbling to dust, the Emperor is hardly just a very powerful Psyker as he's been occupying the Throne for 10,000 years without much change. Of course, being able to regenerate isn't all to common either.

Fair call. Plus it would be too hard to dismantle the idea that he is a god. Too much effort and too much would need to be torn down, so - as you said - why not just embrace Godhood?

Now I'm interested in whether or not he actually has to die first before doing the whole returning from the dead act, or whether it's a case of his psykee returning completely to his body before that can happen, or both. Now that's a point we could probably argue until kingdom come or - in this case - Emperor come haha.

Dismantle the idea that he is a god? Too hard? Are we talking about the guy who genetically engineered 21 Super-Duper humans to command an endless sea of Astartes to retake the galaxy at large and almost did?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Dismantle the idea that he is a god? Too hard? Are we talking about the guy who genetically engineered 21 Super-Duper humans to command an endless sea of Astartes to retake the galaxy at large and almost did?

Dismantling such a widespread belief as well as all the organisations from the churches to the military forces based around this idea is definitely something that's going to be very difficult. Hell, he could do it, but at the end of the day he must just say "Screw it! Let them worship me."

Plus genetic engineering and dismantling the belief that he is a god (and everything that has entailed in the last 10,000 years) are two very different things. Despite the genetic engineering and stealing the power from the Chaos Gods to be able to create the Primarchs in the first place is a hell of a lot more difficult to begin with, dismantling this religion is definitely a difficult and monumental task.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium - even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories. So as it already known that there are dangerous and evil men who worship or claim to worship dark gods and since the IoM already venerates the Emperor as a God I figure he'd just come clean and accept that he is a God or at very least a Demi-God. To be honest, even if it weren't fact, any being that has the power to flay a man's soul from existence and completely obliterate any trace of it may as well be a God or thought of as a God. Considering that the most powerful Psyker the Imperium has ever produced, Malcador the Sigillite, only managed a few hours on the Golden Throne before crumbling to dust, the Emperor is hardly just a very powerful Psyker as he's been occupying the Throne for 10,000 years without much change. Of course, being able to regenerate isn't all to common either.

Fair call. Plus it would be too hard to dismantle the idea that he is a god. Too much effort and too much would need to be torn down, so - as you said - why not just embrace Godhood?

Now I'm interested in whether or not he actually has to die first before doing the whole returning from the dead act, or whether it's a case of his psykee returning completely to his body before that can happen, or both. Now that's a point we could probably argue until kingdom come or - in this case - Emperor come haha.

Dismantle the idea that he is a god? Too hard? Are we talking about the guy who genetically engineered 21 Super-Duper humans to command an endless sea of Astartes to retake the galaxy at large and almost did?

To use an modern example - you come from the USA, I come from the UK and Illuminini comes from Australia. Put together, I'd say our countries are rather powerful - I doubt many would argue the point if it was just the US alone. However, despite us just telling them so, ISIS are in no hurry to change their beliefs. This relates exactly to the Emperor simply telling people he isn't a God - just because you are stronger, doesn't mean you can force change. The trouble with belief is that it doesn't have to have any basis whatsoever in physical elements and is highly personalised. Simply telling a person to believe or disbelieve something doesn't work - Never has, never will. Belief has to be shown or persuaded/argued/cajoled/nutured. It's not something you can simply command to exist or not. It's exactly this which frustrates Theists/Atheists the world over because Science can never disprove the existence of God, but faith cannot prove it either. All there is the belief, one way or another, that something does or doesn't exist. Intellect, Strength, Power, Skill - all of it really matters very little in determining faith. Whether the Emperor can't cook his own dinner or could hand-craft the Primarchs is irrelevant because technical ability has no basis on the ability to persuade somebody to change their deep-seated almost instinctual behavior. Very little aside from a profound, personal experience can prompt a person to change. Even what is made out to be overwhelming evidence doesn't always work because the human mind will always find a reason/excuse or path around that which it disagrees with.

Look at Religion nowadays. Despite any amount of scientific advances in all fields and all the attendant vociferous proponents of Atheism, Religion is still a key part of a vast majority of peoples lives. Even those who claim to be Atheist still follow a moral code of right and wrong that is at it's core exactly the same set of ideals that make up the 10 Commandments, the 5 Pillars of Wisdom or the Eight Precepts. So belief, in one for or another, is very hard to stamp out - nigh impossible. Even the little pre-battle acts a soldier goes through, the little quirks each man performs for good luck is belief in something other than cold logic.

@Warpig1815: You, sir, have skills of making arguments I wish I had! And I totally agree.

Relating it back to my original question, if the Emperor has to die before he can regenerate, then the fact that he died may kill the whole religion for him. Conversely, pulling the Jesus act (i.e. dying then regenerating) may just strengthen the belief that he is a god even more.

If he doesn't have to die to regenerate, then the religion is likely to stay. If he dies and doesn't regenerate, whether or not the religion sticks around will be irrelevant because the Imperium will likely be screwed without one of the following:

-- A new way to power the Astronomican.
-- Find more Pharos devices and place them around the galaxy.
-- Develop a different type of FTL travel.

@Illuminini - Why thank you sir.

I don't think death will really change anything. Most people don't see the Emperor - they just hear about a mighty golden clad figure on a Golden Throne on far distant Holy Terra.

I think the Pharos is particularly interesting as it would fulfill not only FTL, but also teleportation and communication functions. Oh, and it keeps the Tyranids at bay - which is nice.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I think if he were to reincarnate he may change his tune on Godhood. It seems to me the main reason he renounced any claim to Godhood was fear that if he could be worshiped as a God, then people would discover that they are 'other' Gods out there - and open the way to Chaos being more widely known about. However, by 40K Chaos is known to exist by almost all citizens of the Imperium -even if that takes the form of boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories

Our real world has "boogeyman/Monster-under-the-bed type stories" so does that mean we all believe in Chaos and daemons? My opinion is that some do but many dont so the concern that others may discover the other Gods is still a valid concern

@JustALittleOrkish - Plainly you've never met the Satanists. Our cultures are absolutely riddled with stories of spirits, daemons, otherworldly beings and things that go bump in the night. From the Djinn to the Black Dog, the world is crammed full of tales which people believe on various levels and which have yet to be stamped out by Science. As to whether they are believed - many people do. The aforementioned Satanists often hold elaborate rituals and truly believe that they commune with the Devil. There are thousands of Hippies/Pagans/Whatever they like to call themselves nowadays that frequently 'commune' with nature spirits and dance around Stonehenge hoping to catch a glimspe of whatever it was that the Druids thought was so special. Even the smallest of things - like a child being afraid of the dark - is indicative of something that adults prefer to mask over with logic or indifference, but to the child it's a real belief that there's something out there.

I think on an instinctual level, every human has events or times when it feels like they aren't alone but some take it on board and others don't. In 40K though, its quite different as, from what I gather, this type of story is widely played upon to ward citizens away from temptation and towards the more controllable faith in the Emperor. IMHO, I do consider the whole 'Chaos is a secret' fluff as spurious as you can't tell me that every time there is a daemonic incursion it's the Space Marines and only the Space Marines that go out to help, or that they kill anybody who has even caught a glimpse of a funny sigil. There are so many instances in the fluff of standard people encountering things of a Chaotic origin that the Imperium would end up tearing itself down if it killed every person that had heard Khorne sneeze. But that's just my opinion.

 IllumiNini wrote:
If he dies and doesn't regenerate, whether or not the religion sticks around will be irrelevant because the Imperium will likely be screwed without one of the following:

-- A new way to power the Astronomican.

Please stop repeating this all-too-common internetism falsehood.

The Astronomicon existed thousands of years before the Golden Throne. It powers the Golden Throne, not the other way around.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:
If he dies and doesn't regenerate, whether or not the religion sticks around will be irrelevant because the Imperium will likely be screwed without one of the following:

-- A new way to power the Astronomican.

Please stop repeating this all-too-common internetism falsehood.

The Astronomicon existed thousands of years before the Golden Throne. It powers the Golden Throne, not the other way around.

That's incorrect. The Astronomicon was made for the Great Crusade and the Golden Throne is from the DAoT. The two are not related in terms of function. The Astronomicon is powered by the thousands of psykers sacrificed to it. The Golden Throne just keeps the big E aliveish.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:
If he dies and doesn't regenerate, whether or not the religion sticks around will be irrelevant because the Imperium will likely be screwed without one of the following:

-- A new way to power the Astronomican.

Please stop repeating this all-too-common internetism falsehood.

The Astronomicon existed thousands of years before the Golden Throne. It powers the Golden Throne, not the other way around.

What pm713 said.


If I'm repeating it, I'm (was) obviously under a false impression of the exact mechanisms and workings. So asking me to stop repeating something I originally held to be truth rather than simply correcting me is a bit unnecessary. That being said, I'm not entirely convinced you're right. All the sources I've every read contradict what you've said.

The sources I read from (predominately the Warhammer 40K Wikia site) suggest the Astronomican was built after the Unification Wars by The Emperor and, because of The Emperor's current state, it powered by 10,000 psykers (1,000 of whom die daily) and up until I did some reading (very recently), I also though it was partially powered in some way by the Emperor (unless this is indeed correct and the info I read is wrong).

What are your sources for your information and point of view? Because if my standpoint is wrong, I'd like to see why.

 IllumiNini wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:
If he dies and doesn't regenerate, whether or not the religion sticks around will be irrelevant because the Imperium will likely be screwed without one of the following:

-- A new way to power the Astronomican.

Please stop repeating this all-too-common internetism falsehood.

The Astronomicon existed thousands of years before the Golden Throne. It powers the Golden Throne, not the other way around.

What pm713 said.


If I'm repeating it, I'm (was) obviously under a false impression of the exact mechanisms and workings. So asking me to stop repeating something I originally held to be truth rather than simply correcting me is a bit unnecessary. That being said, I'm not entirely convinced you're right. All the sources I've every read contradict what you've said.

The sources I read from (predominately the Warhammer 40K Wikia site) suggest the Astronomican was built after the Unification Wars by The Emperor and, because of The Emperor's current state, it powered by 10,000 psykers (1,000 of whom die daily) and up until I did some reading (very recently), I also though it was partially powered in some way by the Emperor (unless this is indeed correct and the info I read is wrong).

What are your sources for your information and point of view? Because if my standpoint is wrong, I'd like to see why.

You're on pretty shaky ground to begin with, since the Wiki has Been known to put FANFICTION into its articles.

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
You're on pretty shaky ground to begin with, since the Wiki has Been known to put FANFICTION into its articles.

With all due respect, at least I've got a source. And even if they are known to use fan fiction in their articles, I'd like to know the source other people (including yourself and DarknessEternal) are using to prove me wrong.

And besides, all that DarknessEternal has said is that I'm wrong. He hasn't provided any source at all. So all I have is DarknessEternal unfoundedly telling me I'm wrong and you doubting my source without providing a more accurate piece of information let alone a source. So until you guys can actually prove me wrong, I can't see how DarkEternal is right and I'm wrong.

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
You're on pretty shaky ground to begin with, since the Wiki has Been known to put FANFICTION into its articles.

With all due respect, at least I've got a source. And even if they are known to use fan fiction in their articles, I'd like to know the source other people (including yourself and DarknessEternal) are using to prove me wrong.

And besides, all that DarknessEternal has said is that I'm wrong. He hasn't provided any source at all. So all I have is DarknessEternal unfoundedly telling me I'm wrong and you doubting my source without providing a more accurate piece of information let alone a source. So until you guys can actually prove me wrong, I can't see how DarkEternal is right and I'm wrong.

When the Astronomican was originally built, the Emperor himself powered it, but he spent most of the Great Crusade actually out crusading; therefore he would not have been able to power the Astronomican.
Also:

Today, the Astronomican is powered by ten thousand[1] psykers trained by the Adeptus Astronomica.

In addition

Its entire inner surface is covered with ten thousand seats, with each seat facing the centre, where a ball of psychic energy dances in the air. The ball is created by the Chosen as they release their powers to the Astronomican.

Not only that

To keep it running, one thousand psykers are rounded up every day and sacrificed to power the Astronomican.

And, from the wiki itself

It is the duty of the portion of the Adeptus Terra called the Adeptus Astronomica to maintain all aspects of the Astronomican, including training those Sanctioned Psykers who will power it.

And this, my friend, is what I like to call the holy tri-fecta of citation: Wiki, Lexicanum, and 4Chan all acting in agreement . Seriously, though, you didn't even cite wiki, why were you using that as a source if you hadn't actually read the article?

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
You're on pretty shaky ground to begin with, since the Wiki has Been known to put FANFICTION into its articles.

With all due respect, at least I've got a source. And even if they are known to use fan fiction in their articles, I'd like to know the source other people (including yourself and DarknessEternal) are using to prove me wrong.

And besides, all that DarknessEternal has said is that I'm wrong. He hasn't provided any source at all. So all I have is DarknessEternal unfoundedly telling me I'm wrong and you doubting my source without providing a more accurate piece of information let alone a source. So until you guys can actually prove me wrong, I can't see how DarkEternal is right and I'm wrong.

When the Astronomican was originally built, the Emperor himself powered it, but he spent most of the Great Crusade actually out crusading; therefore he would not have been able to power the Astronomican.
Also:

Today, the Astronomican is powered by ten thousand[1] psykers trained by the Adeptus Astronomica.

In addition

Its entire inner surface is covered with ten thousand seats, with each seat facing the centre, where a ball of psychic energy dances in the air. The ball is created by the Chosen as they release their powers to the Astronomican.

Not only that

To keep it running, one thousand psykers are rounded up every day and sacrificed to power the Astronomican.

And, from the wiki itself

It is the duty of the portion of the Adeptus Terra called the Adeptus Astronomica to maintain all aspects of the Astronomican, including training those Sanctioned Psykers who will power it.

Fair play. So I was right, just had it in my mind thinking about the wrong time period in W40K. My bad. Also, 1d4chan ism't a source I'd ever quote, especially if 'm trying to prove someone wrong because it's 1d4chan. At least you did half of DarkEternal's job for them (the other half being DarkEternal correcting the massive error that is: "The Astronomicon existed thousands of years before the Golden Throne. It powers the Golden Throne, not the other way around."

 Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
And this, my friend, is what I like to call the holy tri-fecta of citation: Wiki, Lexicanum, and 4Chan all acting in agreement . Seriously, though, you didn't even cite wiki, why were you using that as a source if you hadn't actually read the article?

I made an over-simplification that was wrong on the basis of me using a piece of info that was true during the Great Crusade but is no longer true. Don't ever taint your argument by making yourself sound like an a**.

Because if he could, the story of 40K couldn't be in the grim darkness of the far future. It would just be called "Space Marines Rofflestomp Everyone"

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Because if he could, the story of 40K couldn't be in the grim darkness of the far future. It would just be called "Space Marines Rofflestomp Everyone"

Yep. Sounds pretty accurate haha.

I remember in one of the first three HH novels (I'm pretty sure it was 'False Gods'), they came across a tchnocracy who had at least one STC and their technology (with the exception of the gene forging) was near indentical to the Soace Marines. They still got rompastomped over a 10 month period.

Because they were not ordinary wounds.

 IllumiNini wrote:
I remember in one of the first three HH novels (I'm pretty sure it was 'False Gods'), they came across a tchnocracy who had at least one STC and their technology (with the exception of the gene forging) was near indentical to the Soace Marines. They still got rompastomped over a 10 month period.

The Auretian Technocracy, I remember. They had boltguns and power armour and everything, and they were still massacred because - as the books made clear - it is the man inside the armour that makes all the difference.

But that is not really on the topic. The notion that the throne keeps him from regenerating and that leaving the throne long enough to regenerate would doom the Imperium seems most plausible.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The notion that the throne keeps him from regenerating and that leaving the throne long enough to regenerate would doom the Imperium seems most plausible.

Seems like the most logical explanation, but what about the golden throne would prevent him regenerating? Or would it be "coz fluff"?

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@JustALittleOrkish - Plainly you've never met the Satanists. Our cultures are absolutely riddled with stories of spirits, daemons, otherworldly beings and things that go bump in the night. From the Djinn to the Black Dog, the world is crammed full of tales which people believe on various levels and which have yet to be stamped out by Science. As to whether they are believed - many people do. The aforementioned Satanists often hold elaborate rituals and truly believe that they commune with the Devil. There are thousands of Hippies/Pagans/Whatever they like to call themselves nowadays that frequently 'commune' with nature spirits and dance around Stonehenge hoping to catch a glimspe of whatever it was that the Druids thought was so special. Even the smallest of things - like a child being afraid of the dark - is indicative of something that adults prefer to mask over with logic or indifference, but to the child it's a real belief that there's something out there.

I think on an instinctual level, every human has events or times when it feels like they aren't alone but some take it on board and others don't. In 40K though, its quite different as, from what I gather, this type of story is widely played upon to ward citizens away from temptation and towards the more controllable faith in the Emperor. IMHO, I do consider the whole 'Chaos is a secret' fluff as spurious as you can't tell me that every time there is a daemonic incursion it's the Space Marines and only the Space Marines that go out to help, or that they kill anybody who has even caught a glimpse of a funny sigil. There are so many instances in the fluff of standard people encountering things of a Chaotic origin that the Imperium would end up tearing itself down if it killed every person that had heard Khorne sneeze. But that's just my opinion.

You obviously don't know a single thing about Satanism except what you're taught in christian school. Its not about "communing with the devil" or even the devil at all, its about taking the high and mighty rules of christianity about righteousness and forgiveness and making it more sane. Satanism is completely open to whatever you want to believe, from monotheistic worship of Satan and murder (ie, nutjobs who shoot up schools and don't understand half of satanism themselves), to anti-theists like myself who are actively opposed to theistic worship and organised religion. Being satanist doesn't require you to do elaborate rituals or anything, its simply an outtake on life, a perspective. I'm going on a bit of a rant here but you're saying stuff that you obviously know nothing about, so I'd appreciate it if you don't. Thanks.

... Well, we've cleaned that up then -- fair enough.

If we could move back to the topic please.

Thanks.

I think the fact that he has to sit on the golden throne and keep the webway gate on terra protected from hordes of daemons drains his strength some what, but probably horus's blows did do unrepairable damage. Well just have to wait till they sacrifice the samuri and he's reborn.

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
The notion that the throne keeps him from regenerating and that leaving the throne long enough to regenerate would doom the Imperium seems most plausible.

Seems like the most logical explanation, but what about the golden throne would prevent him regenerating? Or would it be "coz fluff"?

Probably because he can only regenerate once he dies, and the throne keeps him from 100% dying.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
The notion that the throne keeps him from regenerating and that leaving the throne long enough to regenerate would doom the Imperium seems most plausible.

Seems like the most logical explanation, but what about the golden throne would prevent him regenerating? Or would it be "coz fluff"?

Probably because he can only regenerate once he dies, and the throne keeps him from 100% dying.

According to Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, the Emperor left his body when he was struck down, and basically became a spirit in the Warp, while his body is just a conduit for him to manipulate the Materium with his Psychic abilities (Miracles). Essentially, his spirit is no longer inside of his body, and it's entirely possible that the spirit is what makes him into a Perpetual.

Also, according to the same source, the Emperor, being an amalgam of reincarnating Shamans, probably needs to die entirely in order to come back. The Shamans that he is composed of reincarnate, they aren't traditional Perpetuals, and the Emperor is likely the same way, and the Golden Throne is keeping him alive; thus preventing him from reincarnating.