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You wanted demons, but we got Oni? But I thought Oni were Japanese demons?

For me, the Cyclops, Oni, and Nightmare thing make this KS worth a look. But they're also far and away my favorite sculpts so far, and all of them are KS exclusive. If I were Cmon, I'd put in some more awesome stuff like this in the retail box to drive post-KS sales. (But then, that's just my taste. And I admit, the spider in the box is pretty awesome.)

Is this an adult forum? can we discuss the adult item that is coming out of his rear??? It cant been unseen =/

I agree with you vermonter, but i's like to see a better close up of the spider before passing judgement.

I'd also like to see more fluffed out with the bigger monsters getting little cousins in the forms of agents, bosses and mobs.

I have not watched the game play videos, could someone explain the need for 15 treasure chests let alone an add on for an additional 15?

15 level 1 and 4 level 2 are enough chests for a regular game. This pack is just for those who want extra.

Yes, but why so many? do these all get placed on the board at once?

Chopxsticks wrote:
I have not watched the game play videos, could someone explain the need for 15 treasure chests let alone an add on for an additional 15?

When you open a door you draw door cards for each chamber (room) in the area opened (like how you draw spawn cards in Zombicide). These cards tell you whats in the room. The rulebook shows an example of 5 door cards, there are 10 in total. 1 card reveals 6 lvl 1 chests, 2 cards reveal 5 lvl 1 chests, 1 card reveals 4 lvl 1 chests and 1 card reveals 3 lvl 1 chests. So depending on how many rooms an area you just opened contains then the number of chests drawn could use all 15 or more in one go. Plus you might leave some behind in a room and then reveal more in a later chamber requiring more chests to be placed on the board. There are 30 chest tokens in the base game.

The 3D doors are an easy pass I have the BP (and Dungeon Saga) ones and the bridge is probably better as a tile. I have loads of other chests should the need arise. I've only an extra $8 in so far this might not be too expensive.

I hope these chests are small. Im trying to invision 6 of them in a room along with monsters and the hero..

BigDaddio wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Rum and Bones was made by... Five Houses? That's the other company on the box. They simply might not be allowed to do crossovers with other games.

Which might rule out a Wrath of Kings crossover, as that was also Five Houses

Probably not the case

 cincydooley wrote:

BigDaddio wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Rum and Bones was made by... Five Houses? That's the other company on the box. They simply might not be allowed to do crossovers with other games.

Which might rule out a Wrath of Kings crossover, as that was also Five Houses

Probably not the case

Yeah if you look at the Black Plague Kickstarter exclusive abominalpha it's clearly a WOK figure which is a CMON product but a different companies game.

Or Five Houses and Guillotine are simply development arms of larger companies?

So just watched the game play video, first room they spawn 5 chests and then a Leader who spawned 8 minions with him. The room didnt fit the minions let alone 5 plastic treasure chests. The extra Pillers might be nice though.

 cincydooley wrote:

BigDaddio wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Rum and Bones was made by... Five Houses? That's the other company on the box. They simply might not be allowed to do crossovers with other games.

Which might rule out a Wrath of Kings crossover, as that was also Five Houses

Probably not the case

Oooooo....count me as very interested! Already pledging for MD, but already have loads of WoK and would love some crossover there!

 DaveC wrote:
The 3D doors are an easy pass I have the BP (and Dungeon Saga) ones and the bridge is probably better as a tile. I have loads of other chests should the need arise. I've only an extra $8 in so far this might not be too expensive.

I was actually thinking of using the bridges for my other games, with my river tiles from Terra Tiles or something.

Does anyone know where else I can get 3D generic fantasy bridges? Chests and doors are pretty common, but I haven't seen inexpensive bridges though I haven't been looking for them. I've wanted them ever since Advanced HeroQuest.

There's a "$1.50 for two" bridge set on eBay, but the bridges are 2 inches long.

Journey: Wrath of Demons was going to have a set of plastic bridges.

Whether those ever see the light of day, let alone an actual retail release, is a big giant question mark.

At least the Massive Darkness ones are a guaranteed product that will actually see release into the wild.

Chopxsticks wrote:
I have not watched the game play videos, could someone explain the need for 15 treasure chests let alone an add on for an additional 15?

You might not need them for MD, but you'll want the pillars for your game tiles. If you're going to have a "King's Hall" setup, you're going to want 12+ *matching* pillars. Whee.

Every time I read the KS comments it makes me

I'm not going to shame any individuals, but this is some of what it comes across as:

I don't own anything Black Plague, but I want all the Black Plague Cross over heroes, and I don't want to actually support CMON or GG by buying Black Plague to get those heroes. CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not offering all the crossover heroes as an add on

I already have doors from another game, but I want the bridges. Why isn't there a Bridge only add on? CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not offering just bridges as an add on

I've never backed a kickstarter before and I don't want to pay for add-ons. CMON must be money grubbing evil Nazis for not making all the add on items free and permanent upgrades to the box set

 adamsouza wrote:
Every time I read the KS comments it makes me

You and me both...

Yeah, I don't read CMON KS comments anymore.

Related, a few BGG folks wanted crossovers with The Others and an urban-slash-WWII Castle Wolfenstein version of Massive Darkness (because stealth and darkness and stuff) *would* involve Nazis.

*Zombie* Nazis so we could do a Zombicide crossover.

After not having seen any artist packs for heroes yet, and after having checked to see when they were introduced in Black Plague (10 days into the campaign), and realizing that we're definitely past that mark now with no signs, i'm getting less hopeful that any such packs will show up. The troglodyte pack is great, and I hope we see more of that kind of thing and less of the wandering monsters, but I'm finding myself less and less excited about this campaign. I've pledged $200 with little i want to spend it on right now. Some hard-hitting add-ons are needed and I'd be more than willing to pay. Anyways, I'll be sticking around to the end to see where we get.

Not that it helps, but those artist packs are starting to pop up on Ebay. Im watching quite a few to pick up for the models alone. Unrelated but people are also parting out just the item cards from the Wulfburg expansion which is pretty awesome.

The Oni looks nice, but I'm getting a bit tired of Roaming Monsters. I get it might be something they want to 'get out of their system' (making nice large monsters after endless zombie hordes must be cathartic for their sculptors) but we've just got so many huge Roaming Monsters now. Some more enemy minions for variety would be really nice. I'm buying the BP cards and BP games just for exactly that.

Either that or a nice expansion, which would obviously come with some new minions. An expansion would be super nice.

With sooooo many heroes from Black Plague, this feels a little sparse in comparison. Kinda hoping there would be some more options at this point.

Myself, I'm good with more monsters than heroes. I can use the $8 add-on to add 15 more heroes to MD (and 25 monsters!).

Damned if they do damned if they don't the biggest complaint about BP and later Zc seasons is that there were to many survivors added and not enough minions/monsters now the complaints are going the opposite way MD now has 12 heroes (plus 15 crossovers) and will probably have upwards of 20 by the end but I agree that it probably has enough Roaming monsters now and it would be nice to see some new minion types rather than heroes

Yeah I agree, BP had like three times the number of heroes I would consider enough (close to 50 IIRC?)... more monsters is more useful to me.

I don't want to seem ungrateful, as I like the monsters. Just thinking that there could be more addons/characters/content by 1.75 million (we'll hit that within 12 hours of this post). Possibly special encounter rooms like Shadows over Brimstone had. 1-2 unique tiles and a few themed villains to live there.

 Moopy wrote:
I don't want to seem ungrateful, as I like the monsters. Just thinking that there could be more addons/characters/content by 1.75 million (we'll hit that within 12 hours of this post). Possibly special encounter rooms like Shadows over Brimstone had. 1-2 unique tiles and a few themed villains to live there.

Have they ever done unique tiles though? I've never seen any. I just wonder if they are holding back an expansion add on till late in the KS to give a huge push. I wouldn't be against even an add on for each of the mob types we have so far.

I love the wandering monsters, and want more!

But yes, I want more, and varied, minions too - and with more than 2 weeks to go I'm confident we'll get more of both!

i'd be most happy to see more mob sets

(even if they are add ons rather than free I'd be interested)

as to tiles I'd hope they were an add on by themselves (as there's certainly demand) as those suckers are heavy and will impact on shipping for those of us outside the 'cheap' countries

but I begin to think this is going to be a 'cheaper' CMON project where they aren't going to have that big expansion in this time round, perhaps we'll have a separate KS for it next year?

(there has been a bunch of push on the cost of CMON projects by folk who insist they have to back for everything and even though it doesn't seem to stop the cash rolling in they may be seeing how far a smaller project can go now)