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4 Retainers (two feathers), 4 Bodyguards (three feathers), 2 Throwers, 2 Nobles (four feathers) - will be interested to see what the stats end up as.

Ernster wrote:
H.B.M.C. LOL, you wouldn't happen to know the price would you?

No prices yet (they usually come out the Monday before the Saturday something is up for preorder) but the chances of it not being more expensive are... slim.

To be honest, I'm more expecting a limited supply of the Blood Bowl big box (exclusive new Griff !). They did it for 40k, why not for everything else ?

About the prices, we'll have to see when the individual teams will be released. They already did increase prices for Blood Bowl team boxes not so long ago.

ugh. I want that new griff model just to convert.

I like all the changes I’ve read so far myself. They seem Like pretty solid ideas.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ernster wrote:
is there a price increase?

Is the Pope Catholic?

I cannot exault this post enough.

It should be GW's corporate motto.

Is there a date announced? Or maybe we have to wait until November?

It was only announced now due to the leak. Don't expect it any day just yet

It says Holiday season, so by Christmas, unless 2020 remembers its 2020 and 2020’s harder.

Looks inspired by the experimental team Human Nobility from the defunct 'Dugout' app.

Not excited with new edition. Loads of re-print of already existing content? Extra content already published and sold 2-3 times over already (Death Zone Season 1 & 2, Almanacs, Spike magazines...).

Worst case, this will get the sloppy quality control of Necromunda or that trainwreck coach handbook they made.

Also, they have only gotten halfway through the current BB2016 edition, and instead of completing it (for all teams), they start a new one from scratch? I'm not gonna jump onboard this until at least 2022-2023. GW specialist games are awful the first 1-2 years (or 3-5 years for Necromunda).

Griff is the one with the bird? Then surely we will see a new 'extraordinary' bird skill?

There are currently loads of new skills:
- Iron Hard Skin (Mutation): Immune to Claw
- Cannoneer (Passing): +1 to Long Pass/Bomb
- Cloud Burster (Passing): Opponent must re-roll successful attempt to interfere a Long Pass/Bomb
- Fumblerooskie (Pass): Can leave the ball in a vacant square when moving/blitzing (no bounce, no turnover).
- On The Ball (Passing): Kick-off Return + Pass Block (these are no longer separate General skills)
- Running Pass (Passing): Can continue to Move after making a Quick Pass.
- Safe Pass (Passing): Safe Throw (without the intercept part)
- Monstrous Mouth (Mutation): Changed from Extraordinary to Mutation

Bloodlust gone? Vampires are either far into the future or completely changed. All teams seem to gain an unique special rule.

This book looks to be a rules book for the game, instead of dumbed down demo rules for a starter box. Kill Team had a proper rules book. Blood Bowl, Necromunda and many others did not.

Kill team, Warcry and Warhammer Underworld are not made by Specialist Game studio.

Also Adeptus Titanicus had the complete rulebook in their "not starter"

I want this catcher to make a Lord Flasheart. Woof.

I've played Blood Bowl since first edition. I found it in a games shop in the late 80s and played it to death with my brother, and it's actually the game that pulled me into GW in general, and I can still remember absolutely randomly leafing through a White Dwarf and seeing 2nd edition advertised with the polystyrene pitch and losing my tiny mind (it had been out a few years at that point but it marked my first proper foray into a Games Workshop).

I remember being hugely disappointed by the aesthetic changes made in 3rd, too. Nice ruleset, but they made everything ugly (which they did to everything at the time, to be fair).

BB2016 has been amazing. The look and feel of everything just clicked for me. I have little to no complaints.

So, really, I don't totally understand the level of negativity over this new edition. From what I've seen so far, it's reintroducing elements that were stripped out in the change to 3rd. As much as I absolutely loved 2nd edition, it was a bloated, horrible ruleset. So I'm cautious about some of those elements being brought back. Otherwise, who really knows how good or bad this is going to be?

Let me answer that: No-one.

No-one knows yet.

So do your poor hearts a favour and chill out a little. Games Workshop are giving us another starter set with more miniatures, a bigger "proper" rulebook that is potentially better (I mean, you'd hope so! But we actually have no idea until we play it) and those plastic teams are going to keep coming. So I fail to see how any of this is bad news as of yet.

BB2016 is horrobly bloated too. I like that game a lot, but the amount of content they produce is insane. And they still haven't touched vampires, necro, khemri, amazon, chorf, high elves and norse. Instead of doing one of the unreleased team, they make a brand new one. Everything is so unevenly distributed and incomplete. And for those of us who collect rules, it doesn't add much getting the 11th or 12th alternative weather table. New special play cards? Got 198 already. New star players? Already have 108. New team? Already have 31.

Most if not all of this is now garbage. I got nice noob friendly player cards for many teams, perfect for introducing new players to the game. All of them are invalidated. I may try the new edition and even enjoy it. But I'm not buying more junk, that's for sure. How will this affect all the extra stuff each team has (mainly through spike, pitch and cards)? Are they gonna reset the clock and do all Spikes again? Continue where they left off, leaving the old content invalidated or at best in limbo? Restart the special play card bloat?

What GW keep pushing is new stuff, new rules, new cards, new star players, new teams and now new edition. The only thing I want are minis for every existing team or star player.

I was originally ambivalent about PA coming back but I’ve thought about it properly and I think it will serve well to rein in high Ag teams in league play, which I am all for.
That said, I’m really curious about these “league keywords” on the team rosters we’ve seen so far; I hope it’s not going to prevent halflings playing chaos teams or whatever.

I think those are connected to special rules. Like halfling master chef no longer has discount for halflings, but discount for such a keyword.

Baxx wrote:
BB2016 is horrobly bloated too. I like that game a lot, but the amount of content they produce is insane. And they still haven't touched vampires, necro, khemri, amazon, chorf, high elves and norse. Instead of doing one of the unreleased team, they make a brand new one. Everything is so unevenly distributed and incomplete. And for those of us who collect rules, it doesn't add much getting the 11th or 12th alternative weather table. New special play cards? Got 198 already. New star players? Already have 108. New team? Already have 31.

Most if not all of this is now garbage. I got nice noob friendly player cards for many teams, perfect for introducing new players to the game. All of them are invalidated. I may try the new edition and even enjoy it. But I'm not buying more junk, that's for sure. How will this affect all the extra stuff each team has (mainly through spike, pitch and cards)? Are they gonna reset the clock and do all Spikes again? Continue where they left off, leaving the old content invalidated or at best in limbo? Restart the special play card bloat?

What GW keep pushing is new stuff, new rules, new cards, new star players, new teams and now new edition. The only thing I want are minis for every existing team or star player.

And you'll get them. There's no real reason to think you won't.

Games get reprinted, rules evolve and change. World keeps turning. Nobody held your arm and made you buy all of the spikes or the almanacs. Plenty of stuff I have will be invalidated too. Oh well. Such is life.

Yikes, i still haven't built the teams from the last edition....it's still in my closet, never played a game. Ouch. I'll probably still just play that edition, no reason to buy new set.

 ekwatts wrote:
Games Workshop are giving us another starter set with more miniatures, a bigger "proper" rulebook that is potentially better (I mean, you'd hope so! But we actually have no idea until we play it) and those plastic teams are going to keep coming. So I fail to see how any of this is bad news as of yet.

Games Workshop is not giving you anything. They are producing something they want you to purchase, and rather than create an addition to the game you may like to get, they prefer creating a revised version of something that replaces what you already have. The new edition is potentially better, by that same logic it is also potentially worse - and if past experience is anything to go by, it's difficult to say which of the two is more likely. Is it even meant to be better, or just meant to be different enough to warrant a new purchase? New editions don't have to be a bad thing, but they sure as hell are not necessarily a good thing either, and most importantly they are not a "gift" from GW.

Certainly not good if the price went up the gazoo. Boardgamers and 40k rich kids don't mix. Or maybe boardgamer are rich kids too.

I can definitely see it both ways. GW dramatically changing the rules will definitely cause some split in the community, which has been very tight-nit in GW's absence and has continued with their return to the new game.

I personally think the changes look pretty good, but I can understand the frustration from all the people who bought the player cards that are now invalid.

I pretty much only bought teams, so I'm personally looking forward to the new edition, and I think the rule changes look pretty positive.

I expect good conversions out of this team (big feathers = no space for alternate heads, though?).The box art is pretty bad, I guess they wentbforba campy style and failed?

Not sure I need nu-NewBowl, but I was thinking about getting my nephews Blitz Bowl and new teams/minis to make mirror matches are always nice.

I haven’t bought into Blood Bowl yet, but I’ve been interested for a while and I have a friend who I occasionally play my miniature games with who plays a lot of the online version. I’ll probably pick this up and play it with him at least.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I expect good conversions out of this team (big feathers = no space for alternate heads, though?).The box art is pretty bad, I guess they wentbforba campy style and failed?

Not sure I need nu-NewBowl, but I was thinking about getting my nephews Blitz Bowl and new teams/minis to make mirror matches are always nice.

Yeah I see 6 bodies plus the star player and all the dupes have the same head. The only variety I see is one guy has an eagle on his chest while his dupe has a breastplate and shoulder pads. I wonder if heads will be interchangeable or compatible with other kits.

No I don't.

They won't be.

With a sharp knife and green stuff anything can be compatible with anything else but I have low expectations for any current GW kit.

I built things were the gun alone had parts from 8 or so kits, I don't need matching sockets to swap parts.

I can see a ton of Rogue Trader retinues, Inquisitors, AoS "not-Empire" warbands, space pirate crews, regular pirate crews, IG regiments, witch hunters, Marienburger bands and random NPCs spawning out of this team. And most will have a Nurgle Lord and/or Cairn Wraith crammed in there in some shape or form, too And depending on your kitbashing you might even have some shoulder wings left to make some Emperor's Children!

Add a big shell to the retainer and you have the flashiest Basilisk loader ever.

And the rumour is that Orcs get a second team as well? Maybe half-nekkid Savage Orcs in better poses than the AoS kit to use for my Mad Max Goffs? Can the new BB starter be out *yesterday*, please.

From Facebook:

That's the new orc starting team? Ugh, no thanks. It's a notably worse Lizardman team.

 Gnarlly wrote:
That's the new orc starting team? Ugh, no thanks. It's a notably worse Lizardman team.

Well, if there’s no changes to Lizardmen maybe.

Orc models actually look like they're trying to play some Blood Bowl instead of posing for photoshot or looking confuse. I will get some.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Gnarlly wrote:
That's the new orc starting team? Ugh, no thanks. It's a notably worse Lizardman team.

Well, if there’s no changes to Lizardmen maybe.

Also on what Brawler does; it’s new and not in any of the leaks I’ve seen. Also, if Grab works the same as currently, it actually makes for an interesting strategic potential where pushes actually pull you adjacent to one or more players on the second line, or out of cages and so on. It’s just so rare to see it when you could take Block or something.